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Shroom Nausea Problem
    #23526748 - 08/10/16 12:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

To start off I'm experienced with different types of psychedelics and usually can know what will happen at certain doses from personal experience.
I am also very experienced with mushrooms.

I've recently had an issue with the nausea I get from taking mushrooms.

It gets so overwhelming to the point where I'm trying everything I can do to hold it down and always end up puking.

I keep bags around me just in case so it's not that big of a deal but for some reason I can not seem to hold mushrooms down.

This is just a recent thing, I've taken mushrooms many times before this and would get a slight nauseous feeling but nothing as overwhelming as this.

I thought it might be because this batch had mostly aborts.

But then again I've taken 3 grams of this batch before I had the problem with very little nausea.

I made a tea which I also ended up puking.

When I did make the tea I drank the mushrooms with it so I'm wondering if that's the cause.

Has anyone else had experienced something similar to this.

At this point I'm considering an alcohol tincture.


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: psillyshrooms]
    #23526819 - 08/10/16 01:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Try making a tea and actually filtering out the plant matter :shrug:

Maybe add a little lemon and ginger too, if that doesn't help I have no idea what will :lol:

Do you get nausea from smaller doses? Maybe try using rue or caapi to make things more potent.

In the right dose especially if well extracted they shouldn't necessarily add to the nausea but can help you get the most out of it.

If you have not read up on maoi's and mushrooms definitely do that for awhile before deciding if you want to try it or not, could be worth it though.


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: musiclover420]
    #23526829 - 08/10/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the reply.

I'm considering making a tea with ginger and filtering out the mushies to see if that'll work.

I've have looked into Syrian Rue but haven't tried it before. From what I heard it's psychoactive itself.


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: psillyshrooms]
    #23526840 - 08/10/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If ginger doesn't do the trick try some lemon or lemon oil, the acidity will make the tea more potent/ efficient and the oils can help with nausea as well.

Rue is psychedelic but mainly in larger doses which is when it also can cause nausea. In smaller doses it causes more of a relaxing trance like state.

But it also makes the psilocin last longer in your system and can make it up to 3x as strong. It can add to and change the trip too especially in larger doses.


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: musiclover420]
    #23526863 - 08/10/16 01:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Should I take the syrian rue around 30 minutes before I eat the mushrooms?

I'm pretty sure I read about ayahuasca somewhere that you should ingest the syrian rue around 30 minutes before you drink the ayahuasca.

This was just from one of many ayahuasca teks involving syrian rue.


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: psillyshrooms]
    #23526889 - 08/10/16 02:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

30 min to an hour, 45 minutes is pretty common too. I think it can vary depending on individuals metabolisms and other factors.

Make sure you read up about using rue safely, the main things to remember are not to combine it with any alcohol or prescription/ harder drugs which could be fatal.

Eating a healthy diet is also advised but isn't as vital though it could also help reduce nausea especially with larger doses.


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: musiclover420]
    #23527945 - 08/10/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Have you tried to smoke a lil mary jane to help with the nausea? I know it doesn't help everyone but it helps me with nausea when I smoke sometimes. Maybe try and eat something light with your mushrooms also. I never have had real probs with nausea and mushrooms myself. Hope you figure out your way to cure it.  good luck to you!! :stoned:


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: AVShroomer]
    #23528009 - 08/10/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lemon Tek Tea


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23529170 - 08/10/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It could be a psychosomatic effect. If the nausea gets worse each time, maybe you are expecting it and therefore it manifests. When it does manifest, your fear is confirmed and subsequent trips are more likely to induce nausea because you're expecting it.
I was going to suggest making tea or extract, but since you've already tried that my suspicion about the possibility of placebo deepens.
Just a suspicion.

Does it happen with other psychedelics?


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #23529230 - 08/10/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Like mentioned,  tea, strain out the mushrooms add some Ginger tea bags. I have the same issue as you and tea is my go to method with mushrooms.


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #23529836 - 08/10/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No it hasn't really happened with other psychedelics other than a really high dose of LSD but that was long before the problem started occurring with the mushrooms.

I'm gonna try a ginger tea so if it is psychosomatic maybe that'll ease me off of it.


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: psillyshrooms]
    #23530378 - 08/11/16 06:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hey bro, I seem to have your same problem. If you want a recreational experience, grind your dose up into powder and make a chocolate bar out of it. If you want a deep break through, I suggest mixing a large amount powder with a good amount of OJ and chugging it while holding your nose. I understand exactly what you are dealing with cause I purge eating them straight, doing the lemon tek and the making tea. The chocolate bar cause me no nausea and the OJ tek caused very little nausea that went away pretty quick while still being able to stomach 13g's. I highly recommend the OJ tek, it also helps if you eat something decent about 3 or 4 hours before you dose.


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
    #23530522 - 08/11/16 07:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Most recently I actually ate only a gram to see if I could keep it down and as I started to come up I puke.

I didn't powder it like you said but I am definitely considering that now.

I feel like all those chunky bits of mushrooms just upset my stomach, so a powder could possibly fix that.

It's not really the taste for me. It's just after they've been sitting in my stomach for 15-30 minutes.

Did you have a similar problem where you puke as you start to come up?


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: psillyshrooms]
    #23530549 - 08/11/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yup, I don't particularly like the taste of shrooms, but that wasn't my issue. The problem was just as you stated, keeping the shrooms down long enough to actually begin tripping. For some reason Psilocybin and lemon juice doesn't mix well in my stomach, it's like my stomach simply refuses to digest this combo; I don't have a sensitive stomach either so it's def weird. Try the OJ tek bro, I think it will work wonders for you. Grind your desired dose into a fine powder, then mix very well in a tall glass of OJ and chug it. I think it will also help to have a little something in your stomach 3-4 before dosing. I also recommend taking a walk after drinking the OJ mixture, I find that it speeds up the process and makes your body metabolize and absorb the psilocybin quicker.


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: psillyshrooms]
    #23530558 - 08/11/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have never experienced nausea from any psychedelic, but I have been told fresh slices of ginger works wonders.  Yes it's a bit spicy, but great for soothing the tummy when distressed.


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: Lucis]
    #23530853 - 08/11/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with Syzygistic Soul,  powder your shrooms up and make chocolates. They're so easy to make and you taste zero shrooms, it's pretty delicious. Or powder em up with OJ and chug it down while holding your nose. A few drops of lemon/lime juice makes the drink taste good. :thumbup:


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: Kinshino]
    #23531660 - 08/11/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I used to have nausea in the early days, now i don't - not sure what changed, it just stopped


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: psillyshrooms]
    #23533233 - 08/11/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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psillyshrooms said:
Most recently I actually ate only a gram to see if I could keep it down and as I started to come up I puke.

I didn't powder it like you said but I am definitely considering that now.

I feel like all those chunky bits of mushrooms just upset my stomach, so a powder could possibly fix that.

It's not really the taste for me. It's just after they've been sitting in my stomach for 15-30 minutes.

Did you have a similar problem where you puke as you start to come up?




Now this is interesting. The 15-30 minute time frame you mention is perfectly consistent with actual physical discomfort from eating shrooms and not any psychosomatic effect.

I'm not sure if there is any literature on this but it seems to be extremely unpredictable. Some people are fine for a while then start getting nauseous after tripping many times with no problems. I have one personal experience where a friend puked his guts out one trip but never had problems before or since.
The good news: the only consistent pattern I see with this is that it tends to get better over time. I do know people who always get sick on shrooms and it never gets any better, but they are rare.

Maybe it's something to do with your diet?

Are you taking them on an empty stomach? Full stomach? Are you drinking any thing before dosing (energy drinks, tea, coffee, kratom tea, etc...)? What kinds of food do you eat before tripping? Are you taking any medications, even herbals or OTCs?

If you feel like the taste or texture is grossing you out and causing you to purge then I would go with your instincts on this. Try the powder, and if that doesn't improve your symptoms then start paying closer attention to your pre-trip ritual. Everybody's got one. Maybe you are doing something before you trip that you don't even think about, but which is interfering with your stomach.

Good Luck, and Happy Shrooming


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #23533503 - 08/12/16 01:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I always fast 2-4 hours before I take the shrooms.

I know the second time it happened I had greasy food earlier in the day, maybe that's what caused it?

I'm very cautious about my dosages now because I end up wasting them if I puke.


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: psillyshrooms]
    #23533594 - 08/12/16 03:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They say the stomach is synonymous with the brain (gut feeling etc). Perhaps we're looking at it from the wrong perspective ...


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: psillyshrooms]
    #23534838 - 08/12/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe on top of fasting try eating light/ healthy fresh foods for a day or two prior and see if that helps.


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: musiclover420]
    #23534848 - 08/12/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's been 6 days since my last trip and I know people tend to frown on tripping often but Im pretty sure I'm gonna dose 13g's using the OJ tek today

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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
    #23536336 - 08/12/16 09:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dry I am assuming.

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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: psillyshrooms]
    #23536610 - 08/12/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I was asking the same questions as you OP and I ended up getting a coffee grinder and powdering the mushrooms and have tried it all, my body just rejects them no matter what it seems though :shrug:  I'm to the point where I plan to purge at some point and fighting it will ruin the experience so I just yack that shit out and keep tripping LOL.


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: PreparationH]
    #23536663 - 08/13/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm at the same point now.

I think I'll just have to accept that my body won't accept it.  :scat:


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: psillyshrooms]
    #23536689 - 08/13/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yea it can suck, I stay indoors until I puke and come up then I'm fine, go outside, whatever


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: PreparationH]
    #23537660 - 08/13/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Bro, in telling you Psilly, try grinding up 3.5g's of dried mushrooms and mixing it into a tap glass of OJ. I bet it will work for you. I decided not to trip yesterday so I'll doing the OJ here in about 3-4hrs. Can't wait to get off work and start this hiatus.


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Re: Shroom Nausea Problem [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
    #23639035 - 09/12/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm relatively new at all this, but here's what I've learned so far.

All mushrooms have some amount of chitin.  Chitin is very difficult (if not impossible) for humans to properly digest.  Search on the internet, and you'll see that chitin can cause stomach issues for a lot of people because it's so hard to digest.  I know that the 4 times I ate mushrooms straight up, I got a bad stomach ache.  The last go round I tried to soak ground up dry shrooms in cranberry juice - projectile vomit.  ewwww.  It didn't make a difference if it was fresh, dried, chopped or ground.  I got a belly ache.  :hellokitty:

Now, chitin can be broken down simply by cooking.  I know some people say that heat kills the actives, but I don't believe that to be true.  Last weekend I put 1.2 chopped grams in a potato soup and boiled for about 10 minutes.  My trip level was about what I expected, and I got very little stomach issues.  I felt nauseated for like 10 seconds, then it was over.  It actually tasted good!! 





This is why making a tea seems to work well for others (I haven't tried it yet).  I think the trick is to cook the shrooms for quite a few minutes in the water and let that chitin break down.  Adding some lemon ought to help.  I haven't tried the lemon and tea thing yet, but it's next on my list.  Biggest point here is that the heat won't reduce your trip.  I'm certain you can boil for a while and not see any loss of effect.

I really hope someone comments on this next part. 

Another thought: I know that when I start out tripping, I get very heightened senses - I see clearly, I hear things I haven't notice before, I feel and taste things better.  I remember tripping and later eating a little piece of ham.  I could literally feel the acid injecting into my stomach!!  I think that sometimes I feel like I have a stomach ache when in fact it's just my stomach doing it's normal thing.  It's just that you don't notice when you aren't tripping.  I think it's the same reason some people feel like they have to go to the bathroom.  They always have that feeling, but while tripping, they're more aware of it.

Does this make sense?


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