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How does Jesus feel about psychedelics?
    #23526727 - 08/10/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What do u guys think?



Does he love them or hate them? Or does he fear them? :strokebeard:


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #23526767 - 08/10/16 01:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

been wondering this myself, he was the original teacher of unconditional love for everybody and I think that someone like that couldn't possibly think that using a sacramental plant that shows us to follow in footsteps like his is a bad thing


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 7
    #23526777 - 08/10/16 01:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If a real life jesus christ actually existed then he would love the shit out of acid because who doesn't love acid? Someone would need to dose jesus though, and that guy would forever be known as the guy who dosed jesus. :lol:

I find the whole Jesus thing a bit cult like in its origins. Some random guy claiming to be the son of god and convincing others to follow him and trying to found a religion around him. If that happened today you'd call it a cult.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #23526825 - 08/10/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Some random guy claiming to be the son of god ...




I find that quite typical for users of psychedelics :p

Anyways he's dead now, so he doesn't feel a thing.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Spiritwithin]
    #23526978 - 08/10/16 02:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What you're actually asking is "how did Jesus feel about God, the Creator" because Entheogens are who created Christ.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23527488 - 08/10/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Why does Christianity have to always be the correct religion?? No one really knows any of the hardest questions of the meaning of life , or the creation of existence or the cosmos


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23527490 - 08/10/16 08:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's a guessing game till we die


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23527501 - 08/10/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No idea but this image is supposedly jesus depicted as the lord of magical plants



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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: psilocyclops] * 1
    #23527570 - 08/10/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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He was the original teacher of unconditional love




I'm sorry but that just isn't true. There were many religions around long before Jesus that taught unconditional love.

As for his view on psychedelics... I'm pretty sure he stole his first hit from his Dad.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Psychedelic Pupil]
    #23527591 - 08/10/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

He likes them but in moderation. I've prayed before to jesus on acid thinking it would make the experience more profound or special and he basically told me , not in a voice but in my heart that I don't need psychedelics to pray to him. He actually was hinting for me to stop , because it was harder to stay focused on him while on acid , he was saying that sober you have a much more lucid mind and its easier to speak to him.

jesus speaks through your heart , whatever you feel in you heart I's usually speaking to him. The jesus prayer is the prayer which you accept humility and dwell in the heart.

On my most profound acid trip i was experiencing paradoxes almost infinitely with a jester kind of vibe , lioe every thing had an opposite. Sort of like duality.

It was in that moment i realized God is infinitely psychedelic but without the psychedelic effects per say , maybe even psychedelic effects who knows. This is why God knows everything because under psychedelics you think of every single possible angle and possibility of a situation or thought , and it seemed to me like it can go on for ever.

gods humility is why God is god, god is always striving to maintain perfection rather then being prideful lyricsperfect.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23527603 - 08/10/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Religion is a fabricated lie to further you from god. Space is the same.

The Devils main object is to separate you from God , he does this by creating lies.

Their is no such thing as space with planets , planets are just stars. The devil created space and planets to give you the idea that this life is sort of meaningless and their could be aliens and all sorts of fallacies.

Same thing with darwinism , and the big bang. When you have these ideas in mind you are more prone to sin and not strive to be with God or strive for perfection.

i believe we all have the ability to reach a near perfect state and be sinless , but this requires humility.

The devil also wants you to believe you are immortal which you're not , you have the opportunity of everlasting life but this is only being with god and followinghis rules and laws. GGod has the keys to live and death.

The devil will be destroyed in the lake of fire. He tries to trick sinners with "ye surely shall not die".


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Broly]
    #23527613 - 08/10/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Why do you refer to God as he? What do you think God looks like? I feel like if there was a god it would have no sex and probably just be pure energy


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23527635 - 08/10/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

God is hinted towards being masculine , god can take on any form. Could be half animal and human . I remember reading in Genesis that he walked with Adam and eve in the garden.

I don't remember where but i also read that he had wool hair and was like a human sheep head. That's why the devil chose the goat i think , anything to be opposite of god. Also why the devil chose to be a hermaphrodite.

But i also read that no one knows the true true form of God. So i think god takes on many forms , but gods true form has never been seen except jesus has who sits right hand to god.

It's not bad to refer to god as he because I'm sure he's taken on tbis form many times , plus it's just easier to say.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Broly]
    #23527664 - 08/10/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

But does anyone actually know if god exists? If someone tried to create a religion similar to Christianity now everyone would say their a nutcase i think Christianity was created to control mass population way back , and it still does today , this is all my opinion though


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: connectedcosmos] * 3
    #23527673 - 08/10/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus loves the Shroomery and the good people in it.

Jesus doesnt want you to follow him, he wants you to be like him.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23527674 - 08/10/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well people like to toss around the idea that Moses was high on DMT when he was talking to the burning bush. They say the bush was probably an acacia bush. And since its saturated in DMT Moses more then likely inhaled some of  the smoke and was on a very mild dmt trip.


But do I think Jesus would be ok with people eating psychedelics? Sure maybe. Do I think it matters? No, I don't. Because I don't believe in the fairy tale of him being the actual son and counterpart of an omnipotent being. But, hey thats just me. And I don't hate on anyones faith or what they believe in. What ever makes you a functioning member of society is all good to me.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23527676 - 08/10/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Bro i already told you religion is a fabricated lie , that includes christianity.

God is creator of all , so its a relationshop , just like your parents. Dont you see the similarities?

God will show signs and only speak to the elect few that have enough humility. Some christian hermits who recite the jesus prayer all day , say they have had contact with god.

God wants people of faith , and of course free will. He will never impose upon you to worship him.

The expression faith through works fits here. God wants people to believe and have faith , its as simlle as that. Through faith their is love and hardship but its the better path

Also the fact their is satanism and masons , etc is enough proof. Proof is everywhere do you know how hard it is to create an insect? The bodily functions and everything ? Everything around us if proof of intelligent creation.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23527679 - 08/10/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Jesus loves the Shroomery and the good people in it.

Jesus doesnt want you to follow him, he wants you to be like him.




You hit the nail on the head , jesus was an example that we can all reach. We all have the free will to be like him and we are all sons of god just like him.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: a_stoned_sloth]
    #23527683 - 08/10/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I read that moses was using amanita muscaria, would go up on the mountain, where they grow, would cover face in a veil so to hide the redness, and had the arc made to carry them in :shrug: no idea of course what the truth actually is lol. So many theories. And so many lies fed to us over the centuries, for control and such.

Makes interesting reading though to study all the different theories.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23527750 - 08/10/16 09:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My spiritual beliefs are what I would call Cosmic Consciousness, with Love being above all, Love being above all deities, a Love supreme which permeates the universe.  We're all beings of light, some of us just get lost in the darkness of this world, and it's our responsibility to awaken our brothers and sisters that have allowed their lights to dim, we must rekindle their Love lights.

But I see truths in most of the religions, because I feel like all religions are is man trying to understand Cosmic Consciousness, so it makes sense to see truths in them.  With that said, I don't think Jesus would care about psychedelics, because Jesus is supposed to know all the intimacies of our heart, so would understand that the majority of people that use them, were doing so to better understand themselves, the world around them, and to grow. 

How could any being that claimed to love humans so much, not approve of this stance?

I think the people that start to use psychedelics just to trip out, often times realize there is something going on with using such substances, which goes far beyond watching patterns unfold before their eyes, and this changes the way they view the substances they were taking purely to trip out, and puts more emphasis on growth from their use.  I have seen this happen time and time again.

I have nothing against Jesus, I think he might have been a prophet of sorts, but don't find it productive to put down anyone's faith, that doesn't seem shroomy to me.


Also I should add, I suggest anyone that is interested in reading about Christianity, fertility cults, and the ties they have with mushrooms, do some searches, lots of interesting stuff out there regarding the subjects.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Lucis]
    #23527830 - 08/10/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

"God works in mysterious ways"
Now let me proceed to tell you all about this omnipotent being. What a joke.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Lucis]
    #23527926 - 08/10/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think we must see the verses on alcohol for our hints:


Ephesians 5:18, "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Holy Spirit."


Isaiah 28:7, "But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink. They are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment."

Jesus rejected the opioid myrrh when it was offered to him mixed with wine during the crucifixion.

Mark 15:24:
"They offered him wine drugged with myrrh, but he refused it."



However it is also written

No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.



A Catholic Commentary on Scripture, edited by Dom Bernard Orchard (London: Thomas Nelson: 1953) states this (p. 488):
Two proper occasions for the use of wine, bodily suffering and mental distress; cf. Ps 103 (104), 15.

Here is the cross-reference:
Psalm 104:14-15 Thou dost cause the grass to grow for the cattle, and plants for man to cultivate, that he may bring forth food from the earth, and wine to gladden the heart of man, oil to make his face shine, and bread to strengthen man’s heart.


Of course we all know of the first miracle of Jesus changing water to wine at a wedding.


I would say drinking to drunkenness and losing control is forbidden, but to use a little drug wisely / medicinally seems different.



I feel like I met God on a good dose of Amanita.  IMO traditional psychedelics don't generally cause one to error in judgement, but rather gladden the heart when used wisely.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23527977 - 08/10/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They say that god created all and Jesus is the son of God. So I don't see why Jesus would hate he created Mushrooms to eat and trip off of. As long as its not being abused and used for good I don't see Jesus hating. :thumbup:


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23528483 - 08/10/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

"Jesus" was the allegorical cloak given to psilocybin mushrooms. Jesus was a mushroom


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23528844 - 08/10/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think Jesus used amanita muscaria and Christianity has many hidden hints/references to amanita muscaria and its effects.

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"Jesus" was the allegorical cloak given to psilocybin mushrooms. Jesus was a mushroom





Why do you think psilocybin? In my view, psilocybin mushrooms correspond to the Old Testament manna, whereas the amanita muscaria mushroom corresponds to the New Testament Eucharist. The effects of amanita muscaria can even feel very similar to the feelings evoked by the Christian communion ceremony. The connection between amanita muscaria and Christian communion is undeniable in my opinion.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23528882 - 08/10/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That is a good point but from what I thought "jesus" himself may have in fact been psilocybe semilanceata


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23529286 - 08/10/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Even Jesus got stoned :shrug:


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: impaired420]
    #23529376 - 08/10/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Let me start off by saying that I'm not even sure if Jesus existed and if he did he's no more the son of god than any of us are. I feel like if this ancient hippy truly walked the earth he would approve of mushrooms since they create mass feelings of love and seem to connect one to something greater than themselves, or perhaps connect them to the greatness that is their true selves. I don't see any reason why Jesus wouldn't be okay with mushrooms, in fact I feel like he would promote their usage.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LiquidVisions] * 1
    #23529408 - 08/10/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I will say the Church hates any drug except alcohol. Jesus most likely used cannabis at the least as it is a major ingredient in anointing oil.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #23529535 - 08/10/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I will say the Church hates any drug except alcohol.





This is true, but church isn't always how it appears, the bible says that wherever two or more are gathered in God's name, that is church, or something like that.  So if you're with your homie, and you guys dose a fat sack of shrooms, then talk about God, then you're having church.  The bible condemns a lot of things, but you have to remember why it does so, because of when the stories were written, and by whom.

The Bible also says that God saw his creation and was pleased, and if God is all knowing, then had to know that people would be dosing shrooms, cactus, etc, to have mystical experiences, I think God would approve to see his creations happy, and taking substances which encouraged growth.

Rastafarians believe in a bible passage or two which states God made all seed bearing plants for our use, so there's that too when you think about herb.  Christians shouldn't take the bible so literally, and should learn to have a one on one relationship with their God, instead of having a pastor be the middle man who pollutes the message with his interpretation.

I am not a Christian, but I find it beneficial to myself to study as many beliefs as I can, so that if I encounter a person of a certain faith, I can have a proper debate with them about certain issues, and not come off as being ignorant.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #23529557 - 08/10/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Let me start off by saying that I'm not even sure if Jesus existed and if he did he's no more the son of god than any of us are. I feel like if this ancient hippy truly walked the earth he would approve of mushrooms since they create mass feelings of love and seem to connect one to something greater than themselves, or perhaps connect them to the greatness that is their true selves. I don't see any reason why Jesus wouldn't be okay with mushrooms, in fact I feel like he would promote their usage.




Mushrooms that would grow from animal dung would not have been acceptable to Jewish dietary law. The use of Amanitas, while claimed to have been used by Egyptians by Andrija Puharich (spurious claim), are not evidenced among Jews at the time of Iesous or at any other time. However Daniel Merkur suggests that the 'manna from heaven' in Exodus 16:14-20 has suggested that the "flakes" which later deliquesced into maggoty material was psilocybian mushrooms. Personally I think that is a long stretch. Merkur also suggested in one or two of his books that the "shewbread" kept in the Holy-of-Holies and consumed by Moses and Aaron (which showed them "the glory of the LORD") was infected with ergot. Another stretch that appeals to psychedelic advocates who can't seem to grok that mystical experience actually occurs spontaneously, and is a matter of Providence and Grace theologically speaking.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #23529611 - 08/10/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I will say the Church hates any drug except alcohol. Jesus most likely used cannabis at the least as it is a major ingredient in anointing oil.




I prefer the interpretation of Acorus calamus, not cannabis in the holy anointing oil, which btw was ONLY used at the time of the tabernacle in the wilderness by Moses and his brother Aaron in ritual fashion. Should they have anointed themselves, the TMA might have been converted to a Mescaline-analogue in vitro. Iesous, even a greatly demythologized Iesous, was not going to be eating let alone smoking cannabis like some Arabic Bedouin. :lol: It cracks me up how people all want to claim comprehensible personal Iesous figures as someone they could relate to. A strictly Orthodox 1st century Jewish peasant, possible carpenter, and mendicant rabbi, was not some kind of ancient stoner. He had a mission and it was not laying about, feeding a case of munchies with mission figs in Roman-occupied Judea. :rofl:

BTW, there is historical evidence of an early Catholic practice of taking Muscarine from Amanita muscaria via snails that ate and detoxified the mushrooms:  http://distelrath.tripod.com/fabbro.htm ; Wine is considered a sacrament and unlike its use in the Jewish Passover sedar, it is and was, never imbibed to inebriation.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23529672 - 08/10/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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A strictly Orthodox 1st century Jewish peasant, possible carpenter, and mendicant rabbi, was not some kind of ancient stoner. He had a mission and it was not laying about, feeding a case of munchies with mission figs in Roman-occupied Judea. :rofl:






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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23529823 - 08/10/16 09:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Let me start off by saying that I'm not even sure if Jesus existed and if he did he's no more the son of god than any of us are. I feel like if this ancient hippy truly walked the earth he would approve of mushrooms since they create mass feelings of love and seem to connect one to something greater than themselves, or perhaps connect them to the greatness that is their true selves. I don't see any reason why Jesus wouldn't be okay with mushrooms, in fact I feel like he would promote their usage.




Mushrooms that would grow from animal dung would not have been acceptable to Jewish dietary law. The use of Amanitas, while claimed to have been used by Egyptians by Andrija Puharich (spurious claim), are not evidenced among Jews at the time of Iesous or at any other time. However Daniel Merkur suggests that the 'manna from heaven' in Exodus 16:14-20 has suggested that the "flakes" which later deliquesced into maggoty material was psilocybian mushrooms. Personally I think that is a long stretch. Merkur also suggested in one or two of his books that the "shewbread" kept in the Holy-of-Holies and consumed by Moses and Aaron (which showed them "the glory of the LORD") was infected with ergot. Another stretch that appeals to psychedelic advocates who can't seem to grok that mystical experience actually occurs spontaneously, and is a matter of Providence and Grace theologically speaking.




Markos I am sure you know a lot more about the Egyptian roots of many Biblical teachings than I do, if the Jews did not use amanita do you think perhaps knowledge gained from this mushroom made its way from Egypt and influenced Jewish and eventually Christian myths?

I don't subscribe to the theory that all mystical and religious experiences throughout history were a result of magic plants, but it's very difficult for me to not see a connection between Aminita muscaria and the Christian Eucharist. A lot of amanita users have also come to this conclusion.

The question of entheogens and religious history has puzzled me for a long time. It would seem unbelievable to me that ancient peoples would lack knowledge of amanita's (as well as other "plants") potential to induce religious experiences, in the case of amanita mimicking Christian themes so excellently well or even the Hindu soma. But if so, how exactly was this knowledge lost to modern man?

I mean, wouldn't this be like modern society somehow forgetting about marijuana? If decades and billions dollars spent by modern society trying to wage a war on "drugs" has been so unsuccessful at eradicating them, how could knowledge of their use disappear from public consciousness almost entirely?


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Broly]
    #23529928 - 08/10/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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he basically told me , not in a voice but in my heart that I don't need psychedelics to pray to him.



Entheogens give a person the ability to see what is beyond physical life without having to physically die to find out.

You don't need to ingest Entheogens to see that though -- you can have a near death experience, or you can physically die.

But whether you see Them by ingesting Them while you're still physically alive, or by having a near or actual death experience, you are seeing the same Being -- - Entheogens.

However, if you wait until you physically die to see and understand, then it's too late.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: a_stoned_sloth]
    #23529952 - 08/10/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Well people like to toss around the idea that Moses was high on DMT when he was talking to the burning bush. They say the bush was probably an acacia bush. And since its saturated in DMT Moses more then likely inhaled some of  the smoke and was on a very mild dmt trip.




Except that the part says that the bush wasn't consumed.

I believe that the "burning bush" was a red Amanita. Growing under a small pine bush it would look like the bush was on fire but not consumed.

The Hebrews did have alot of Acacia though. All the furnishings in the "Trysting Tent" (where they would meet with God), were made of Acacia wood. So, what do you think happened to the Acacia bark?

Good thing they made the furnishings out of Acacia, -- that they were burning the bark and inhaling, or otherwise ingesting Them, didn't survive the censors.


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    #23530052 - 08/11/16 01:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ya Mashiach followed the Torah, the first 5 books of the Bible.

Genesis 1:29. He, nor any other Israelites had any problems with psychedelics. You shouldn't either. Selah.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: KMt]
    #23530080 - 08/11/16 01:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Ya Mashiach followed the Torah, the first 5 books of the Bible.

Genesis 1:29. He, nor any other Israelites had any problems with psychedelics. You shouldn't either. Selah.




Is that a real thang from the Bible?


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23530996 - 08/11/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Genesis 1:29 says:
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29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.




All classic psychedelics, excluding LSD, fits this description. Majority of Psilocybe Mushrooms are saprotrophic, contain spores as their seeds and are a living specimen, so they also fit the description.

PS: All dung-inhabiting species can also be considered a part of the description of Genesis, or not, that's up to your individual discretion.

So yeah, Yahusha (Jesus) and The Most High approve of the use of psychedlics and their consumption.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: KMt]
    #23531173 - 08/11/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

All of you have good points, but I'm gonna baffle you all a little because I have spoken in Tongues(Plain English) about the Manna, and it is indeed a Mushroom ,but who know what One, or could it be all.(psychoactive fungi). Believe what you choose, but that is my belief. Peace & Love


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23531463 - 08/11/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Ya Mashiach followed the Torah, the first 5 books of the Bible.

Genesis 1:29. He, nor any other Israelites had any problems with psychedelics. You shouldn't either. Selah.




Is that a real thang from the Bible?




It's real in the sense that is quoting a verse where God says he gives us every plant, but it does not explicitly mention psychedelics (though they should be included by default, because it does not say "I give you every plant except such and such").

Opponents of the verse will argue it is talking about food. But the line between food and drug blurs at some point.

Personally, I cite Wisdom 1:14:

14For he fashioned all things that they might have being,

and the creatures of the world are wholesome;

There is not a destructive drug among them

nor any domain of Hades* on earth


I think it's pretty clear from this verse, that the natural plant drugs were created for a good purpose and were not intended to be destructive toward man, but instead probably intended primarily as medicine.

I have studied herbal medicine a little bit and the healing potential of plants is incredible. This of course includes plants like marijuana but there are also hundreds of other plants with milder psychoactive effects, or merely physiological effects which can be beneficial to man.


I think we have to treat all medicinal plants as a whole, because nowhere does scripture suggest that some plants are to be excluded. I see no bases for example, for saying that marijuana is not a medicinal plant, but such and such other herb is.
Hence, from a Biblical perspective I think we have to conclude that psychoactive plants are good, when used with prudence and care of course and that we have a God-given right to use them. 

Prohibition is UN-Christian and denies us our basic right to use nature as God intended us to be able to use it.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Asante]
    #23532227 - 08/11/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Jesus loves the Shroomery and the good people in it.

Jesus doesnt want you to follow him, he wants you to be like him.




this sounds cult-like if you ask me. "He wants you to be like him"...? Who is he, Michael Jordan?

I think if there is such a think like jesus he would want people to express their own unique individuality, not to "be like him." Who wants to be like someone else.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23532265 - 08/11/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think if there is such a think like jesus he would want people to express their own unique individuality, not to "be like him." Who wants to be like someone else.





I view Jesus wanting people to be like him, meaning Christ consciousness, and I see nothing wrong with that, do you?


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Lucis]
    #23532272 - 08/11/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think if there is such a think like jesus he would want people to express their own unique individuality, not to "be like him." Who wants to be like someone else.





I view Jesus wanting people to be like him, meaning Christ consciousness, and I see nothing wrong with that, do you?




Yes, actually I do. I wouldn't want to be a rip-off of anybody else, ever. Not Mohammed or Moses or Buddha or Christ. It actually takes guts to think for yourself, not just want to be a clone of someone else.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23532526 - 08/11/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think Jesus wanted everyone to be like him in the sense of spiritually alive, but that doesn't mean everyone has to express their spiritual life the way he did. A lot of Christians think to be spiritually alive means to act like Jesus or spend your life serving the poor and being really devoted to God (and it could be like that) but spiritual life doesn't have to look like that in all people.

But is wanting your friend to be healthy and spiritually alive as opposed to walking a dangerous and/or self destructive path wanting him to be a clone of you? Desiring the good of another, isn't a limitation on their freedom. You can't force someone to make good choices, but you can want that for them and do all you can to help them reach that end.


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    #23532562 - 08/11/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm ok with it.:thumbsup:


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    #23533271 - 08/11/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I won't pretend to be an expert in Egyptian matters, I'm not. I've read some on Egypt, and Egyptologist Bob Brier was my professor. But you could read the same text that influenced me - D.M. Murdock's Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection. I also studied Jewish and Christian history and theology in seminary, and never did I encounter anything more psychedelic than the Essenes, the Therapeutae, the various Gnostic sects, the eremites and the Hesychasts. Fasting (and going into ketosis), ascetic sleep deprivation, social isolation, celibacy and chastity, and prologued contemplative prayer in combination can result in the same forms of dissociation that the Yogas can, or Buddhist meditation. Substances are not the only possibility, indeed substances speak to shamanic practices not Yoga (even if mushroom Soma did originate Yoga as some suggest), but such were not the origin of Hebrew myth and ritual. Christianity draws on Judaism (which was influenced of course by Egyptian culture since Moses), and Hellenism, which includes Platonic philosophy, and Plato's influence by Pythagorean elements.

What some churches may have implemented is a far cry from my buddy Clark Heinrich's insistence that A. muscaria is behind all religious history. Andijah Puharich learned Egyptian hieroglyphics just to prove his theory about A. muscaria and Egyptians. I don't know what the possibility of conifer forests in Egypt was as A. muscaria only grows in a rhizomorphic relationship with certain conifer trees. John Allegro had his own theory. Instead of reducing the cause of religious history to an effect of a mushroom species, it might behoove us to view the whole series of theories and associated phenomena to Synchronicity. All of these theories can be overlaid on history and each one has its own unique fit when looked at globally, an entirely different premise about Reality arises that is non-causal.

Jacob Boehme knew something about Mushroomic Mysteries 400+ years ago:




Then there is discovery:  http://distelrath.tripod.com/fabbro.htm ; But this basilica, like Boehme's Christa Testamente above, is exceptional not reflective of some reductionistic 'cause' of Christianity. Some mystics may have had shamanic or sacramental sentiments. Today, we are many relative to the past.


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    #23533297 - 08/11/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Any god that justifies murder in their name and tolerates it is not a benevolent god at all, rather it is a predatory thought given the form as a god. The true reason Jesus died on the cross is because of his pride, that is specifically: I am the way the truth and the life, no one gets to the father except through me. This same train of thought is also used by a lot of fraudulent Hindu gurus as well.

In the end it was: Father why have you forsaken me? I have forsaken you due to your arrogant pride, for you have put yourself above all others and used my name in vein for your own glory. For this act you must experience death.

You will incarnate once again and all those who ignore your teachings yet worship your physical form will come to you on the great day of judgement. You wished to have my power and wield my authority as your own; this wish has been granted to you. My son, you will learn to accept that I am your father and your God. You have died for this sin against Me. Admit your mistake and you will be forgiven to once again be at peace with me, continue to rebel against me and accept your own dissolution. It is your choice, as i have given you free will like onto a God in the fleshly form of Man, to be or not to be it is your choice. It is time, It is finished.

During the three days i do not know what happened, but without a chaser it is what it is. It would explain what the world is still so messed up. One thought for the Christians out there, where the rubber hits the road.. If you were to die right now and be asked if you even tried to follow the teachings of Christ, could you honestly say Yes, my God i tried.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Lucis]
    #23533492 - 08/12/16 01:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think if there is such a think like jesus he would want people to express their own unique individuality, not to "be like him." Who wants to be like someone else.





I view Jesus wanting people to be like him, meaning Christ consciousness, and I see nothing wrong with that, do you?



You can't know who Christ is, or how Christ was, unless you know who God is because Christ's main Mission was to do what God wanted.

(Christ said) "I can do nothing of my own accord. I pass judgment on people as I am taught by God, and my judgment is just, because my aim is not my own will, but the Will of Those who sent me." -- St. John, 5,30


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23534103 - 08/12/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

this whole thread is kind of stupid actually. Who cares if someone from a few thousand years ago liked or didn't like drugs?


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    #23534112 - 08/12/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you...................

On a forum about mind expansion people cling to shreds of brainwashing. Makes me sick.



"It's real in the sense that is quoting a verse where God says"

What the fuck can this please get moved to the religion section?

I mean `spirituality and deception`(sp?)


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #23535034 - 08/12/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Any god that justifies murder in their name and tolerates it is not a benevolent god at all, rather it is a predatory thought given the form as a god. The true reason Jesus died on the cross is because of his pride, that is specifically: I am the way the truth and the life, no one gets to the father except through me. This same train of thought is also used by a lot of fraudulent Hindu gurus as well.

In the end it was: Father why have you forsaken me? I have forsaken you due to your arrogant pride, for you have put yourself above all others and used my name in vein for your own glory. For this act you must experience death.

You will incarnate once again and all those who ignore your teachings yet worship your physical form will come to you on the great day of judgement. You wished to have my power and wield my authority as your own; this wish has been granted to you. My son, you will learn to accept that I am your father and your God. You have died for this sin against Me. Admit your mistake and you will be forgiven to once again be at peace with me, continue to rebel against me and accept your own dissolution. It is your choice, as i have given you free will like onto a God in the fleshly form of Man, to be or not to be it is your choice. It is time, It is finished.

During the three days i do not know what happened, but without a chaser it is what it is. It would explain what the world is still so messed up. One thought for the Christians out there, where the rubber hits the road.. If you were to die right now and be asked if you even tried to follow the teachings of Christ, could you honestly say Yes, my God i tried.




You misunderstand so much of the Christian mythos I don't know where to begin. (1) Pride has absolutely nothing to do with the myth, and (2) You are confusing myth, midrash, metaphor and metaphysics with historicity. The person of Iesous is about kenosis, self-emptying - exactly the opposite of pride. You've got it bass ackwards. :lol:

Christianity attempted to adopt YHWH of the Tenach (OT) to the New Covenant. Harold Bloom does a good job of showing how less-than seamless the attempt was in Jesus and Yahweh.The 'GOD concept' as described in the Tenach is NOT GOD. So you've confused the mythic picture of GOD in the guise of a Middle Eastern king or despot, with an indescribable Mystery. The fact is that existence embodies both good and evil, and the notion of GOD as the author of evil is called theodicy. The brighter the light, the darker the shadow, and if light symbolizes Goodness/GOD, creation is the opacity which throws a shadow. Here shadow means evil, as in Jung's concept of the Shadow as opposite tendencies in the human psyche which healthy people do not give reign to. Bottom line: evil is relative, there is no absolute evil. It is a necessary correlate or side-effect to the limitations of existence and has nothing to do with the essence of GOD. "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things" - Isaiah 45:7. In the Tenach, Satan [Adversary in Hebrew] works for GOD. In the NT the notion of evil is given another meaning. Moreover the ideas of biblical demonology are complex. Satan and Lucifer [Light-Bearer in Greek] are not identical beings, but a whole infernal hierarchy to mirror the celestial hierarchy (i.e., Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones, Dominions, etc.)

The vicarious sacrifice theology became the dominant theology in Christianity. The pseudo-gnostic Gospel of Thomas, influenced by Indian thought (Thomas established a church in India) is a theology of realization - very different). "My GOD, my GOD, why hast thou forsaken me?" happens to be the first line of the 22nd Psalm which the figure of Iesous was said to pray at a moment when he was experiencing human mortality without awareness of the Divine Presence. Several Gnostic sects described this moment differently. Iesous' sacrifice was a culmination of Jewish ritual practices wherein He became the 'Pascal Lamb,' the lamb without blemish which was sacrificed in temple Judaism (before the temple was destroyed in 70 CE). In Catholic liturgy: "Lamb of GOD who takes away the sins of the world, have mercy on us." 

Without this sacrificial death (according to the internal logic of a propitiating death theology), a 'portal' was opened whereby everyone can enter into a relationship with the Sacred: "And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom..." - Matthew 27:51. Symbolically, this was the veil that separated everyone but the High Priest from entering the innermost sanctum, the Holy-of-Holies. Now, ALL human beings could enter in, without need for the Jerusalem Temple because of this revelation: "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" - 1 Corinthians 3:16. In other words, without the sacrificial death of the Lamb of God, there would be no possibility of salvation for the world. HOWEVER...One is speaking in mythic and cosmic categories, not mechanical processes based in a historical event. Saint Paul cared nothing about a historical Iesous, he was focused on the Mystery of what he called "the resurrected Christ" and what that meant for humanity (see The Mysticism of Paul the Apostle by Albert Schweitzer if you really want to KNOW about the inner meaning of Christian enlightenment, i.e., salvation).


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23535548 - 08/12/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:yawn:


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: filthyknees]
    #23535951 - 08/12/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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In the end it was: Father why have you forsaken me?




Actually in the end it was "It is finished".

The "Why have you forsaken me" was in reference to Psalm 22, written 1000 years before Christ and the crucifixion (they didn't have the numbering system then so they would use the first sentence to reference a text)... the last line of Psalm 22 is the victorious "for he has done it."


That psalm from the Old Testament, 1000 years before Christ, is actually a prophecy... one Christ fulfilled with stunning accuracy:

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Psalm 22:14-18 New King James Version

14 I am poured out like water,
And all My bones are out of joint;
My heart is like wax;
It has melted within Me.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
And My tongue clings to My jaws;
You have brought Me to the dust of death.
16 For dogs have surrounded Me;
The congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me.
They pierced My hands and My feet;
17 I can count all My bones.
They look and stare at Me.
18 They divide My garments among them,
And for My clothing they cast lots.





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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23536203 - 08/12/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Of course jesus loves them, probably more than all the little children.            Anyways Jesus is horus later known as the hidden god Amen Ra. Truthfully all ancient enlightened ones where in contact with entities through the DMT experience. From the land of khem came alchemy  and the dmt spice is the alchemist main ingredient for transmutations on the spiritual plane. Without access with the dmt key transmutations of lead to gold arent possible. But hell yeah all them was trippin balls.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23536753 - 08/13/16 12:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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flickedbic said:
That psalm from the Old Testament, 1000 years before Christ, is actually a prophecy... one Christ fulfilled with stunning accuracy:




King David was Christ.  He wrote:

"I will declare the decree, the Lord hath said unto me,
'Thou art My Son,
today have I
begotten thee.'"
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23537253 - 08/13/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Bible scholars talk of β€œtypes” of Christ that prefigure him. There is nobody of whom this is more true than David. Of course where David was indeed sinful, our Master was not


http://www.patheos.com/blogs/adrianwarnock/2013/10/how-king-david-reminds-us-of-christ-jesus/

See for example Psalm 51, where David pleads for mercy after his adultery.


Christ is without sin:
Quote:

It was the precious blood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God.



1 Peter 1:19

Quote:

For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.


(Heb. 4:15 NASB).


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4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23537328 - 08/13/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thats the problem with the bible...anyone can interpret it a million different ways.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: filthyknees]
    #23538124 - 08/13/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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filthyknees said:
:yawn:




Probably slept through high school too. :lol:


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Hardrock3742]
    #23538137 - 08/13/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Not if it is to make any sense, as we just saw with "King David was christ"...

I guess that is why 2 Timothy 2:15 says:

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."


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4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23538161 - 08/13/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus has been dead for over 2000 years.  Who gives a shit what he might have thought.  Do what makes you happy in the short span of the  lifetime that you've been gifted - and stop worrying about what ANYONE else thinks, - self- proclaimed deity or not...

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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23538193 - 08/13/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23538685 - 08/13/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Nature Boy said:
Jesus has been dead for over 2000 years.  Who gives a shit what he might have thought.  Do what makes you happy in the short span of the  lifetime that you've been gifted - and stop worrying about what ANYONE else thinks, - self- proclaimed deity or not...

N.B.





I think it's important what Jesus thought, not necessarily for our sake but for the sake of freedom from persecution for using psychedelic plants.

Many of the judges and jurys that imprison people for their use have a high % of Christians in them. If we can show them that prohibition of psychedelic plants is unchristian, we stand a better chance at winning our cases, imo.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23538855 - 08/13/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well According to Bible, We are supposed to treat your Body As a Temple, So anything that can hurt your Mind, Body, Spirit, Should Be avoided.
I personally, Do not Believe that Christ would have a say in the matter ,As He Clearly Leaves the Option Up to You.:strokebeard: Just due to the fact That He gave Us Free-Will to choose & Do what we Please.

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I've heard the theory that The tree of the knowledge of good and evil, was supposed to be some Type of Psycadelic; Which if you think about it it kinda makes sense when you think about it in that Light...:strokebeard: of it being "forbidden Item" That Unlocks Spiritual knowledge that God was Only allowed Access Too...PS this is Just a Theory, Mind You.LOL:tmckenna:

I believe with All Drugs "Used" as Tools and Combination  with Moderation, Not Abused mind you... :manofapproval: Can help Improve Ones Life. Which I think JC would Approve of.:seriousthumbsup:


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23539636 - 08/14/16 01:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23539652 - 08/14/16 02:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There's a lot of evidence that Christianity was founded on the use of psychedelics (mushrooms in particular) and they hid their drug use in the stories and parables of their sacred texts/art.

Jesus is a mushroom.



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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: jsncrs]
    #23539657 - 08/14/16 02:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Christianity started as a Amanita muscaria cult, or so I've read.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23539676 - 08/14/16 02:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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flickedbic said:
Quote:

Bible scholars talk of β€œtypes” of Christ that prefigure him. There is nobody of whom this is more true than David. Of course where David was indeed sinful, our Master was not


http://www.patheos.com/blogs/adrianwarnock/2013/10/how-king-david-reminds-us-of-christ-jesus/

See for example Psalm 51, where David pleads for mercy after his adultery.


Christ is without sin:
Quote:

It was the precious blood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God.



1 Peter 1:19

Quote:

For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.


(Heb. 4:15 NASB).




When Christ was alive "on earth" He was not sinless.

"Every high priest has been taken out of humankind and is appointed to act for people in their relations with God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sin; and so 2 he can sympathize with those who are ignorant or uncertain because he too lives in the limitations of weakness. 3 That is why he has to make sin offerings for himself as well as for the people. 4 No one takes this honour on himself, but each one is called by God. 5 Nor did Christ give himself the glory of becoming high priest, but he had it from the one who said to him: 'You are my son, today I have become your father', 6 and in another text: 'You are a priest of the order of Mechizedek, and for ever'. " -- Hebrews, 5,1 (St. Paul)

After He physically died, He ascended to God, who is perfect. The "Highest Heaven" where (God) Entheogens are at, is perfection. Everything lower than that, down to the lowest hell, is imperfect.

18Then a certain ruler asked Him, β€œGood Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 19β€œWhy do you call Me good? Jesus replied. β€œNo one is good except God alone. -- St. Luke, 18, 18


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
    #23539697 - 08/14/16 02:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yep, Jan Irvin and John M. Allegro both have books about this.

Allegro was an archaeologist and Dead Sea Scrolls scholar who spent years as part of a team deciphering the scrolls, at the call of the Vatican if I remember correctly.

Based on the evidence he saw, he came out with the claim that Christianity was started as a mushroom & fertility cult in his book "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross", and it completely destroyed his reputation and career.

I may have to dust the book off and read it again, but from what I can recall, the people of that era noted the strange emergence of shrooms and that they were "different to plants", and also noted the mushrooms "phallic" shape, and that they appeared only with rain. They believed the rain to be the semen of God which replenished their lands and crops, and provided them with a sacrament that put them in direct communication with the man himself. They believed that the rain was a reward from God for the act of sexual intercourse within their tribes.

There's a lot more to it, and it's fascinating as fuck


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23539952 - 08/14/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yet Jesus was not a high priest "taken out of humankind" like those mentioned inHebrews 5:1, rather he "came forth from the Father and entered the world" John 16:28


If you keep reading Hebrews it clearly makes the distinction that he is, "unlike the other high priests", undefiled and perfect:

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Such a high priest truly befits usβ€”One who is holy, innocent, undefiled, set apart from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. 27Unlike the other high priests, He does not need to offer daily sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people; He sacrificed for sin once for all when He offered up Himself. 28For the Law appoints as high priests men who are weak; but the oath, which came after the Law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.


Hebrews 7:27



Regarding Luke 18:18, "No one is good except God alone"

Jesus also makes the statement:
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"I am the good shepherd." (John 10:14) This establishes his claim to deity in a double way. First, because of the criterion above, since he calls himself good, and this not only in a general way as "a good shepherd" (one of many) but as "the good shepherd".

It is a simple syllogism:

No-one except God is good and Jesus is good therefore Jesus is God.

(...)

Jesus calls himself not only "good", but he claims the title "shepherd". This is a clear reference back to Psalm 23 and, even more important, Ezekiel 34, where God himself is the shepherd of Israel (see this discussion). Thus, with this statement Jesus takes upon himself yet another title of God.

(...)

Jesus is challenging the religious leader to wake up and understand the truth that stands right in front of him. If he is calling Jesus "good," then he must come to understand that Jesus is God and not play religious games, but come to truly believe.




http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/4658/what-does-jesus-mean-by-saying-why-do-you-call-me-good

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Jesus asks a question (WHY...?), he does not deny it was correct or improper to call him good.


http://www.answering-islam.org/BibleCom/lk18_19.htm

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Jesus’ fundamental lesson here is that goodness flows not from a man’s deeds, but rather from God Himself.

(...)

Thus, Jesus’ question to the man is designed not to deny His deity, but rather to draw the man to recognize Christ’s divine identity.


  http://www.gotquestions.org/good-God-alone.html


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4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23540161 - 08/14/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think that Jesus's opinion on the subject relies entirely on what you personally believe his opinion to be :stoned:


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23542739 - 08/15/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yet Jesus was not a high priest "taken out of humankind" like those mentioned inHebrews 5:1, rather he "came forth from the Father and entered the world" John 16:28 [....]




I assume that you believe that Christ died physically and came back to physical life after 3 days? And that He could walk on H2O? etc.?


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23542751 - 08/15/16 01:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think that Jesus's opinion on the subject relies entirely on what you personally believe his opinion to be :stoned:



It does seem like there's mainly 2 views of the Bible. One is a Walt Disney type of belief in which the magic wand is waved and people come back physically from the dead - or walk on h2o. The other view is that the Bible is a fairy story for the foolish.

I have found a 3rd view in which the Bible makes sense and you don't have to believe in Santa Claus or "magic" to believe in it.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23542848 - 08/15/16 03:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus was sinless , it was through him being sinless he defeated the flesh and this world. It's through his sinless blood that he protected us and through him we have the opportunity to repent and accept him.

It makes sense , he's sinless so he can judge others for their sins , the second coming...

He never sinned , he fasted for 40 days and defeated satan who rules this world.

He is sinless and will judge the sinners.

Not gonna argue with you or continue conversation but it's blasphemy to say jesus sinned.

Look up christian orthodoxy.  Look up desert fathers , look up jesus prayer , then youtube christian hermits , watch some videos. True knowledge.

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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Broly]
    #23542871 - 08/15/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Not gonna argue with you or continue conversation but it's blasphemy to say jesus sinned.




Well then Jesus was a "blasphemer" because He said that nobody is good except God.

I assume you believe that He "rose" from being physically dead - and He walked on H2O?


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23542897 - 08/15/16 04:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Not gonna argue with you or continue conversation but it's blasphemy to say jesus sinned.




Well then Jesus was a "blasphemer" because He said that nobody is good except God.





"I am the good shepherd." (John 10:14)

It is a simple syllogism:

No-one except God is good and Jesus is good therefore Jesus is God.


You are more fanatical than followers of many religions, desperately flailing in your attempts to twist the word.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23542920 - 08/15/16 04:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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No-one except God is good and Jesus is good therefore Jesus is God.

You are more fanatical than followers of many religions, desperately flailing in your attempts to twist the word.



Wow -- Christ says "Why call me good --no one is good except God", and you're interpretation of that is that Christ is saying He's God and good!!!! And then you accuse ME of trying to twist the word!!!!

Wow! My friend -- you've got big problems in the regions above your nose.

Right - anyone would understand -- if someone called me good and I said "why call me good - no one is good except God" -- that means I'm saying that I'm God and therefore good. Riiiight -- Whoo

Christ WASN'T saying He was God -- He said that His judgment is just because His aim is not His own will -- but the Will of God. So you think He's saying His judgment is just because He follows God's will and not His own -- but He is God??? Sheesh!


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23543067 - 08/15/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think you missed this post

Why call him good?  Because he is God.

Saying Jesus was a sinner and "King David was Christ" and psychedelics are God... comon


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23545798 - 08/16/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I know - it seems like a contradiction that on the one hand He says He's not good - and on the other He says He's the good shepherd.

But it's not really that complicated. In comparison to God, He's got sin and is imperfect. In comparison to the "hired person" who runs away when they see the wolf coming, He's the "good" shepherd. In the one case, "good" means that He stays and battles the wolf, in the other case "good" means not having sin. Not having sin is the perfection of good, and is the "good" that He pointedly says He doesn't have, to the extent that people should not call Him "good".

Like what St. Paul said, "We are only the earthenware jars that hold this treasure, to make it clear that such an overwhelming power comes from God (Entheogens) and not from us. -- 2Corinthians, 4,7
or
"I will boast about a man like that, but not about anything of my own except my weaknesses......in case anyone should begin to think I am better than they can actually see and hear me to be." 2Corinthians, 12,5


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23545807 - 08/16/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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...and psychedelics are God... comon




"But now what is there for Me here? - it is Yahweh who speaks - now that My people have been carried off for nothing, and their masters shout their triumph - it is Yahweh who speaks - all day long My Name is constantly blasphemed. 6 My people will therefore know My Name, that day they will understand that it is I who say, "I am here."
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23545812 - 08/16/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus was a sun God, like many before him.. Just a reason to keep people believe in something in their "worthless" life. When they'll believe in anything in the point in their lives that they've reached.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23545978 - 08/16/16 04:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth.


Peter 2:22

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He (...)has been made perfect forever.
Hebrews 7:27




So you can stop saying this lie: "He's got sin and is imperfect."

And Re:"Not having sin is (...)the 'good' that He pointedly says He doesn't have, to the extent that people should not call Him "good'."

Does he say people should not call him good, or does he ask a question;  "Why"?


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"Why do you call me good?" (Mark 10:18)
The question seems odd.
The rich young ruler had just asked Jesus what he must do to inherit eternal life, prefacing the question with the title "Good teacher." Instead of answering his question, Jesus replies with another question that seems to confuse the issue.

From our point of view it doesn't seem as if the question and the answer really go together. "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" (Mark 10:17). And this is Jesus' answer: "Why do you call me good? No one is good-except God alone" (Mark 10:18). That statement has caused some people to think that perhaps Jesus means something like, "God is good, and you shouldn't call me good because I am not really God." But that's precisely the opposite of what Jesus means to say. Jesus is taking the word "good" literally. The young man had called him, "Good teacher." He said it as a way of being respectful, but he wasn't really thinking of the meaning of the word.
Jesus understands that all true goodness comes from God. He's saying, "When you call me good, do you really know what you're saying? If I am good in the ultimate sense, it's because I am not merely a good person; it's because I am God in human flesh." So when Jesus says, "Why do you call me good?" he's asking the question, "Do you really know who you are talking to? And do you really know what you are saying?"
Only God is infinitely good.
He is the source of all goodness.
By comparison our righteousness is as "filthy rags" in his sight (Isaiah 64:6).
Until you know who God is, you'll never know who you are. That's why Jesus won't let this young man get away with using the word "good" casually. If Jesus is truly "good," then Jesus is truly God. 




http://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/dr-ray-pritchard/why-do-you-call-me-good-11626820.html


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23546682 - 08/16/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I dont know if he would've been pro shroom. Its hard to tell, because the bible is a narrow account of the mans life. We dont really know if he had exposure to mushrooms and the only way we'd know what he feels about them would be to go back and ask him.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23548697 - 08/17/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So you can stop saying this lie: "He's got sin and is imperfect."





"I am writing to you in this way about those who would deceive you, but the  Oil you received from him remains within you, and you really need no teaching from anyone; simply remain in him, for his Oil teaches you about everything and is true and is no lie β€” remain in him, as his Oil has taught you to do."  – 1 St. John, 3,26


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23548723 - 08/17/16 01:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

God is the only one who is perfect and Christ was not God.

At a certain point, He Ascended into Them -- when He no longer had a physical body. That is what is meant by "He has been made perfect".

To be made perfect obviously means that He wasn't perfect before that.

"Now this Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.  and we, with our unveiled faces reflecting like mirrors the brightness of the Lord, all grow brighter and brighter as we are turned into the image that we reflect; this is the work of the Lord who is Spirit." -- 2nd Corinthians, 3, 17  St. Paul


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23550348 - 08/17/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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God is the only one who is perfect and Christ was not God.

At a certain point, He Ascended into Them -- when He no longer had a physical body. That is what is meant by "He has been made perfect".

To be made perfect obviously means that He wasn't perfect before that.






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Jesus never committed a single sin!

What, then, does the expression β€œbeing made perfect,” mean?

The Greek word is teleioo, and the term has a variety of possible meanings. It can denote to fulfill, to bring something to its goal, to make perfect, to consecrate, etc. (Arndt & Gingrich, pp. 817,818).

(...)

Goodspeed rendered the passage in this way:

β€œAnd although he was a son, he learned to obey, through what he suffered, and when he was fully qualified, he became a source of salvation for all who obey him, since God pronounced him a high priest of the priesthood of Melchizedek” (p. 508).

Hugo McCord translated the phrase, β€œhe was made complete” (p. 422), which suggests a similar idea β€” the completion of His work.




https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/216-perfecting-of-jesus-christ-the

Even after his completion/perfection he still had a physical body:
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Not just the empty tomb.

(...)
That alone did not convince them that Jesus actually rose from the dead, was alive, and was God. What convinced them were the number of times that Jesus showed up, in person, in the flesh, and ate with them, and talked with them.

Luke, one of the gospel writers, says of Jesus, "he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God."26

Is Jesus God?

All four of the gospel writers give accounts of Jesus physically showing up after his burial, obviously alive. One time that Jesus joined the disciples, Thomas, was not there. When they told him about it, Thomas simply wouldn't believe it. He flatly stated, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it."

One week later, Jesus came to them again, with Thomas now present. Jesus said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." Thomas replied, "My Lord and my God!"

Jesus told him "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."



http://www.everystudent.com/features/faith.html

Jesus as God

For by Him [Jesus] all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.  And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist." Colossians 1:15-17. NKJV

"All things were made through Him [Jesus], and without Him nothing was made that was made." John 1:3

"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form." Colossians 2:9

"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God."  Philippians 2:5-6

"I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father." John 16:26-28
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The phrase "came forth" is translated from the Greek word:
"exerchomai" (Strongs # 1831) which means to "issued forth" or to have "issued from".  Jesus issued forth from the Father.


  http://www.creation-science-prophecy.com/Inheritance.htm

"The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him "Immanuel” ( which means β€œGod with us”)." Matthew 1:23

"God was manifested in the flesh" Timothy 3:16

John 1:1 (NIV) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 1:14 (NIV) "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."


"Then the Jews said to Him, β€œYou are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”

Jesus said to them, β€œMost assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple,[a] going through the midst of them, and so passed by."
John 8:57-59

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On another occasion he said, "I and My Father are One." Immediately the religious authorities wanted to stone him. He asked them which of his good works caused them to want to kill him. They replied, "We are not stoning you for any of these but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." John 10:33

(...)
Jesus(...) equated a person's attitude to himself with the person's attitude toward God.  Thus, to know him was to know God.6 To see him was to see God.7 To believe in him was to believe in God.8 To receive him was to receive God.9 To hate him was to hate God.10 And to honor him was to honor God.11

(...)

His moral character coincided with his claims. The quality of his life was such that he was able to challenge his very enemies with the question, "Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?"13 He was met by silence, even though he addressed those who would have liked to point out a flaw in his character.


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4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic] * 1
    #23551904 - 08/18/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't look at the Bible to define reality. I look at reality to define the Bible.

The New Testament has had 2000 years of satan's minions to try to hide the Message.  That is why there are so many contradictions in the Bible.

When Christ said you have to separate the wheat from the chaff, He was talking about the scriptures.

There's no point in arguing about the Bible with someone who doesn't accept reality. If you believe that a physically dead person can come back to physical life after being dead for 3 days -- if you believe that a person can magically walk on H2O -- if you think the earth is 7000 years old -- you can't have a rational discussion with someone like that.

My view of what is being said depends on reality. I see that Christ really did exist and that there is a God - Entheogens - and They are a real Light and real Spirit. I don't have to believe in things that can't happen in reality.

I believe in a Real God and a Real Christ.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23552831 - 08/18/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I look at reality to define the Bible.





It's obvious you are impressing your beliefs onto the Bible rather than finding the truth in it.

How else could one say "King David was Christ", when he did not fulfill the many prophecies of the Christ?



β€œThe odds alone say it would be impossible for anyone to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies,” Lapides concludes. β€œYet Jesusβ€”and only Jesus throughout all of historyβ€”managed to do it.”

http://www.crosswalk.com/devotionals/the-case-for-christ/the-case-for-christ-week-of-dec-6.html

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Jesus a Third Time Predicts His Death and Resurrection
31 Then He took the twelve aside and said to them, β€œBehold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of Man will be accomplished. 32 For He will be delivered to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon. 33 They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.”



Luke 18:31-33

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Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.



Luke 24:44


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Jesus as the Christ
13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, β€œWho do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”

14 So they said, β€œSome say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15 He said to them, β€œBut who do you say that I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered and said, β€œYou are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus answered and said to him, β€œBlessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

(...)

20 Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ.


Matthew 16:13-20



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But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.


Acts 3:18


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23552929 - 08/18/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus doesn't think because he's dead. See how that works?

Consciousness ceases to exist when you take a dirt nap.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: lurkmode]
    #23553107 - 08/18/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Jesus doesn't think because he's dead. See how that works?

Consciousness ceases to exist when you take a dirt nap.



You do not know that for sure my friend..


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23554177 - 08/18/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It's obvious you are impressing your beliefs onto the Bible rather than finding the truth in it.



Oh yes -- I'm impressing my OWN beliefs. For instance, people don't physically die and then come back to life after 3 days - and they don't walk on H2O -- and the earth is OLDER than 7000 years!!!! By the way, THESE BELIEFS have alot of believers.

But, of course,  you aren't impressing your beliefs on the Bible cause everybody knows that people can come back to physical life after being dead for 3 days, and you were just at the beach walking out there on the waves -- and you've got some dinosaur bones from just 6000 years ago.

Sheesh.

But I'll remember the next time that I think the sky is blue that it's just my own belief.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23554822 - 08/18/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You can think the sky is blue all you want... but don't hold up a book that actually says "The sky is colorless; the blues, reds, and yellows we see are from Rayleigh scattering.", and claim the book backs you up that the sky is this certain color (or "King David was Christ and Jesus a sinner")...

When you get called out on such unsupportable positions, suddenly you distance yourself from the book (which you were just selectively quoting as justifying your belief) as being full of garbage?


I'm not sure it's the book that's full of garbage.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23554881 - 08/18/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So many comments.... Damn.

Just wanted to say I saw Jesus Christ touch my heart one time on 2CB.

Weird cause I went from 2CB making me want to do nothing but make sweet passionate love all night, Then right after made me see Jesus in front of me Opening my heart. Strange combo. Like Jesus just popped in on my sexy time and was like "Open your heart oh ye of little faith."


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23555427 - 08/18/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Jesus was a sun God, like many before him.. Just a reason to keep people believe in something in their "worthless" life. When they'll believe in anything in the point in their lives that they've reached.




What exactly is a sun God?


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23555667 - 08/19/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Too bad you opted out endogenous, I had 5:mushroom2: for ya.
Jesus supports the use of entheogens. They are here to bring us closer to God. That is their purpose. Some people go into their use with a closed mind, so they miss the message. These people are called "psychedelic users/abusers."
Others use entheogens to expand their consciousness, and open themselves up to all of the possibilities.

TL;DR Jesus is for entheogens.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23555778 - 08/19/16 02:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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When you get called out on such unsupportable positions, suddenly you distance yourself from the book (which you were just selectively quoting as justifying your belief) as being full of garbage?

I'm not sure it's the book that's full of garbage.



"If they call the master 'beelzebub', what will they call the servants?"

I'm not suddenly distancing myself from the book. I had said all along that it's full of contradictions. In fact, it's one of those contradictions that we are debating about.

You have to be selective when you read the Bible -- BECAUSE IT IS FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS.

One of your many problems is that you refuse to acknowledge that there IS a contradiction and so you look extremely foolish - like when you say that Christ meant He was good when He said "why call me good -- no one is good except God." Then you make yourself look more foolish by stating that He was saying He is God, the Creator ("Father")!!! Right -- when He said, "why have you forsaken me?" He was talking to Himself!!!

Come On ----

I have no problem in seeing and saying that there are statements in the Bible that contradict His statement that He wasn't good . Thinking He was perfect when He was still in the flesh goes hand in hand with thinking He could walk on H2O. -


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: greencrush420]
    #23555787 - 08/19/16 02:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Too bad you opted out endogenous, I had 5:mushroom2: for ya.
Jesus supports the use of entheogens. They are here to bring us closer to God. That is their purpose. Some people go into their use with a closed mind, so they miss the message. These people are called "psychedelic users/abusers."
Others use entheogens to expand their consciousness, and open themselves up to all of the possibilities.

TL;DR Jesus is for entheogens.



Thanks.

My understanding is that Entheogens bring you closer to God because -- They are Themselves God, the Creator (the "Father").


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: KMt]
    #23571475 - 08/24/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Genesis 1:29 says:
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29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.




All classic psychedelics, excluding LSD, fits this description. Majority of Psilocybe Mushrooms are saprotrophic, contain spores as their seeds and are a living specimen, so they also fit the description.

PS: All dung-inhabiting species can also be considered a part of the description of Genesis, or not, that's up to your individual discretion.

So yeah, Yahusha (Jesus) and The Most High approve of the use of psychedlics and their consumption.




Of course, that is from the 1st creation, in which humans were created "in the image of God". In the "2nd creation" which starts around chapter 2, the humans (Eve and Adam) were NOT created in God's image and they were forbidden to eat from the Tree of Knowledge.

Incidentally, in the 1st Creation God is saying that the humans should be VEGETARIANS. And further, God said for all creatures to be vegetarians.

28 God blessed them, saying to them, "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and conquer it. Be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven and all living animals on the earth." 29 God said, "See, I give you all the seed-bearing fruit; this shall be your food. 30 To all the wild beasts, all the birds of heaven and all reptiles on the earth I give all the foliage of the plants for food." -- Genesis 1, 28


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23572106 - 08/24/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder what the giant in Jack and the Beanstalk feels about psychedelics


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: lurkmode]
    #23572110 - 08/24/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: lurkmode]
    #23574894 - 08/25/16 02:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I wonder what the giant in Jack and the Beanstalk feels about psychedelics



How about, how did Goliath feel about those who worshiped Psychedelics?

β€œWhy should you move into position for battle? Am I not a Philistine and you Saul’s servants? Choose a man for yourselves to come down against me. 9 If he’s able to fight me and strike me down, then we will become your servants; but if I prevail against him and strike him down, then you will become our servants and serve us.” 10 The Philistine said, β€œI defy the ranks of Israel today. Send me one man and let’s fight together.”
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23576198 - 08/25/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

people that still do religion :facepalm3:


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: lurkmode]
    #23576658 - 08/25/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Elitist atheists, who feel the need to constantly belittle anyone who believes in a higher power or creation.:wow:
Hop the fuck down off your high horse.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23576732 - 08/25/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: greencrush420]
    #23576906 - 08/25/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm agnostic and I'll belittle whoever the fuck I want, especially knuckledraggers who believe in fairy tales and magic


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    #23577020 - 08/25/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think he knows phsychedelics are onto something that will ultimately change mankind forever and he"s just gonna let that be our decision


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    #23577532 - 08/25/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder what harambe thought about psychedelics. :confused:


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Re: OHHHH [Re: impaired420]
    #23577536 - 08/25/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What does Gilgamesh think of psychedelics? That whole story sounds like a peyote trip hahaha


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Re: OHHHH [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23577626 - 08/25/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

what do Deez Nutz think about tsai cull dell licks?


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Re: OHHHH [Re: lurkmode]
    #23577828 - 08/25/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus loves you still.  No matter how much disgusting shit the Bible has to offer.  All that matters is that God's son Jesus loves you


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: lurkmode]
    #23578254 - 08/26/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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people that still do religion :facepalm3:



I used to be an atheist.

In fact, I still am. I haven't changed my opinion at all as far as thinking that the worldly religions believe in unreal fairy tales.

But it's like the story of Santa Claus.

When I was a child, I believed in Santa. Then I found out it was a lie.

THEN I found out that there are shamans in Siberia who have a religion around Amanita Muscaria Mushrooms and that the Mushrooms look just like Santa - bright red with white tufts. And that the shamans would dry the Mushrooms by hanging Them upside down on pine trees - (They looked like "Christmas" ornaments). Also, the shamans would enter the yurts through the chimney hole because the entrance was blocked by snow. And -- the reindeer love the Mushrooms also.

So then -- I saw what the reality was/is and that there is a real "Santa".

The same is true of the Bible. The way it is taught by the world is false. But there is a real Way and a real God -- Entheogens.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: lurkmode]
    #23578271 - 08/26/16 12:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm agnostic and I'll belittle whoever the fuck I want, especially knuckledraggers who believe in fairy tales and magic




What's wrong with believing in fairy tales and magic?


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23578818 - 08/26/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm agnostic and I'll belittle whoever the fuck I want, especially knuckledraggers who believe in fairy tales and magic




What's wrong with believing in fairy tales and magic?




Because it's not real!?!

You're free to worship your own cock and balls for all I care but my problem is with bible-beating politicians who use their office to push their narrow-minded, religious agenda on everyone else as well as their attempts to marginalize science. Seriously, fuck them with Shaq's weenis.


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