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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
#23545812 - 08/16/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jesus was a sun God, like many before him.. Just a reason to keep people believe in something in their "worthless" life. When they'll believe in anything in the point in their lives that they've reached.
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
#23545978 - 08/16/16 04:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth.
Peter 2:22
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He (...)has been made perfect forever. Hebrews 7:27
So you can stop saying this lie: "He's got sin and is imperfect."
And Re:"Not having sin is (...)the 'good' that He pointedly says He doesn't have, to the extent that people should not call Him "good'."
Does he say people should not call him good, or does he ask a question; "Why"?
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"Why do you call me good?" (Mark 10:18) The question seems odd. The rich young ruler had just asked Jesus what he must do to inherit eternal life, prefacing the question with the title "Good teacher." Instead of answering his question, Jesus replies with another question that seems to confuse the issue.
From our point of view it doesn't seem as if the question and the answer really go together. "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" (Mark 10:17). And this is Jesus' answer: "Why do you call me good? No one is good-except God alone" (Mark 10:18). That statement has caused some people to think that perhaps Jesus means something like, "God is good, and you shouldn't call me good because I am not really God." But that's precisely the opposite of what Jesus means to say. Jesus is taking the word "good" literally. The young man had called him, "Good teacher." He said it as a way of being respectful, but he wasn't really thinking of the meaning of the word. Jesus understands that all true goodness comes from God. He's saying, "When you call me good, do you really know what you're saying? If I am good in the ultimate sense, it's because I am not merely a good person; it's because I am God in human flesh." So when Jesus says, "Why do you call me good?" he's asking the question, "Do you really know who you are talking to? And do you really know what you are saying?" Only God is infinitely good. He is the source of all goodness. By comparison our righteousness is as "filthy rags" in his sight (Isaiah 64:6). Until you know who God is, you'll never know who you are. That's why Jesus won't let this young man get away with using the word "good" casually. If Jesus is truly "good," then Jesus is truly God.
http://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/dr-ray-pritchard/why-do-you-call-me-good-11626820.html
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
Edited by flickedbic (08/16/16 04:30 AM)
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
#23546682 - 08/16/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dont know if he would've been pro shroom. Its hard to tell, because the bible is a narrow account of the mans life. We dont really know if he had exposure to mushrooms and the only way we'd know what he feels about them would be to go back and ask him.
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
#23548697 - 08/17/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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flickedbic said: So you can stop saying this lie: "He's got sin and is imperfect."
"I am writing to you in this way about those who would deceive you, but the Oil you received from him remains within you, and you really need no teaching from anyone; simply remain in him, for his Oil teaches you about everything and is true and is no lie — remain in him, as his Oil has taught you to do." – 1 St. John, 3,26
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
#23548723 - 08/17/16 01:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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God is the only one who is perfect and Christ was not God.
At a certain point, He Ascended into Them -- when He no longer had a physical body. That is what is meant by "He has been made perfect".
To be made perfect obviously means that He wasn't perfect before that.
"Now this Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. and we, with our unveiled faces reflecting like mirrors the brightness of the Lord, all grow brighter and brighter as we are turned into the image that we reflect; this is the work of the Lord who is Spirit." -- 2nd Corinthians, 3, 17 St. Paul
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
#23550348 - 08/17/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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endogenous said: God is the only one who is perfect and Christ was not God.
At a certain point, He Ascended into Them -- when He no longer had a physical body. That is what is meant by "He has been made perfect".
To be made perfect obviously means that He wasn't perfect before that.
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Jesus never committed a single sin!
What, then, does the expression “being made perfect,” mean?
The Greek word is teleioo, and the term has a variety of possible meanings. It can denote to fulfill, to bring something to its goal, to make perfect, to consecrate, etc. (Arndt & Gingrich, pp. 817,818).
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Goodspeed rendered the passage in this way:
“And although he was a son, he learned to obey, through what he suffered, and when he was fully qualified, he became a source of salvation for all who obey him, since God pronounced him a high priest of the priesthood of Melchizedek” (p. 508).
Hugo McCord translated the phrase, “he was made complete” (p. 422), which suggests a similar idea — the completion of His work.
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/216-perfecting-of-jesus-christ-the
Even after his completion/perfection he still had a physical body:
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Not just the empty tomb. (...) That alone did not convince them that Jesus actually rose from the dead, was alive, and was God. What convinced them were the number of times that Jesus showed up, in person, in the flesh, and ate with them, and talked with them.
Luke, one of the gospel writers, says of Jesus, "he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God."26
Is Jesus God?
All four of the gospel writers give accounts of Jesus physically showing up after his burial, obviously alive. One time that Jesus joined the disciples, Thomas, was not there. When they told him about it, Thomas simply wouldn't believe it. He flatly stated, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it."
One week later, Jesus came to them again, with Thomas now present. Jesus said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." Thomas replied, "My Lord and my God!"
Jesus told him "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
http://www.everystudent.com/features/faith.html
Jesus as God
For by Him [Jesus] all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist." Colossians 1:15-17. NKJV
"All things were made through Him [Jesus], and without Him nothing was made that was made." John 1:3
"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form." Colossians 2:9
"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God." Philippians 2:5-6
"I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father." John 16:26-28
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The phrase "came forth" is translated from the Greek word: "exerchomai" (Strongs # 1831) which means to "issued forth" or to have "issued from". Jesus issued forth from the Father.
http://www.creation-science-prophecy.com/Inheritance.htm
"The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him "Immanuel” ( which means “God with us”)." Matthew 1:23
"God was manifested in the flesh" Timothy 3:16
John 1:1 (NIV) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14 (NIV) "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."
"Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple,[a] going through the midst of them, and so passed by." John 8:57-59
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On another occasion he said, "I and My Father are One." Immediately the religious authorities wanted to stone him. He asked them which of his good works caused them to want to kill him. They replied, "We are not stoning you for any of these but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." John 10:33
(...) Jesus(...) equated a person's attitude to himself with the person's attitude toward God. Thus, to know him was to know God.6 To see him was to see God.7 To believe in him was to believe in God.8 To receive him was to receive God.9 To hate him was to hate God.10 And to honor him was to honor God.11
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His moral character coincided with his claims. The quality of his life was such that he was able to challenge his very enemies with the question, "Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?"13 He was met by silence, even though he addressed those who would have liked to point out a flaw in his character.
http://www.everystudent.com/features/faith.html
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
Edited by flickedbic (08/17/16 04:53 PM)
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic] 1
#23551904 - 08/18/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't look at the Bible to define reality. I look at reality to define the Bible.
The New Testament has had 2000 years of satan's minions to try to hide the Message. That is why there are so many contradictions in the Bible.
When Christ said you have to separate the wheat from the chaff, He was talking about the scriptures.
There's no point in arguing about the Bible with someone who doesn't accept reality. If you believe that a physically dead person can come back to physical life after being dead for 3 days -- if you believe that a person can magically walk on H2O -- if you think the earth is 7000 years old -- you can't have a rational discussion with someone like that.
My view of what is being said depends on reality. I see that Christ really did exist and that there is a God - Entheogens - and They are a real Light and real Spirit. I don't have to believe in things that can't happen in reality.
I believe in a Real God and a Real Christ.
-------------------- The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
#23552831 - 08/18/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I look at reality to define the Bible.
It's obvious you are impressing your beliefs onto the Bible rather than finding the truth in it.
How else could one say "King David was Christ", when he did not fulfill the many prophecies of the Christ?
“The odds alone say it would be impossible for anyone to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies,” Lapides concludes. “Yet Jesus—and only Jesus throughout all of history—managed to do it.”
http://www.crosswalk.com/devotionals/the-case-for-christ/the-case-for-christ-week-of-dec-6.html
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Jesus a Third Time Predicts His Death and Resurrection 31 Then He took the twelve aside and said to them, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of Man will be accomplished. 32 For He will be delivered to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon. 33 They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.”
Luke 18:31-33
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Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.
Luke 24:44
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Jesus as the Christ 13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
14 So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
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20 Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ.
Matthew 16:13-20
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But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Acts 3:18
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
#23552929 - 08/18/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jesus doesn't think because he's dead. See how that works?
Consciousness ceases to exist when you take a dirt nap.
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: lurkmode]
#23553107 - 08/18/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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lurkmode said: Jesus doesn't think because he's dead. See how that works?
Consciousness ceases to exist when you take a dirt nap.
You do not know that for sure my friend..
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
#23554177 - 08/18/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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flickedbic said: It's obvious you are impressing your beliefs onto the Bible rather than finding the truth in it.
Oh yes -- I'm impressing my OWN beliefs. For instance, people don't physically die and then come back to life after 3 days - and they don't walk on H2O -- and the earth is OLDER than 7000 years!!!! By the way, THESE BELIEFS have alot of believers.
But, of course, you aren't impressing your beliefs on the Bible cause everybody knows that people can come back to physical life after being dead for 3 days, and you were just at the beach walking out there on the waves -- and you've got some dinosaur bones from just 6000 years ago.
Sheesh.
But I'll remember the next time that I think the sky is blue that it's just my own belief.
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
#23554822 - 08/18/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can think the sky is blue all you want... but don't hold up a book that actually says "The sky is colorless; the blues, reds, and yellows we see are from Rayleigh scattering.", and claim the book backs you up that the sky is this certain color (or "King David was Christ and Jesus a sinner")...
When you get called out on such unsupportable positions, suddenly you distance yourself from the book (which you were just selectively quoting as justifying your belief) as being full of garbage?
I'm not sure it's the book that's full of garbage.
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
Edited by flickedbic (08/18/16 08:40 PM)
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
#23554881 - 08/18/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So many comments.... Damn.
Just wanted to say I saw Jesus Christ touch my heart one time on 2CB.
Weird cause I went from 2CB making me want to do nothing but make sweet passionate love all night, Then right after made me see Jesus in front of me Opening my heart. Strange combo. Like Jesus just popped in on my sexy time and was like "Open your heart oh ye of little faith."
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23555115 - 08/18/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: psilosalvia]
#23555427 - 08/18/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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psilosalvia said: Jesus was a sun God, like many before him.. Just a reason to keep people believe in something in their "worthless" life. When they'll believe in anything in the point in their lives that they've reached.
What exactly is a sun God?
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
#23555667 - 08/19/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Too bad you opted out endogenous, I had 5 for ya. Jesus supports the use of entheogens. They are here to bring us closer to God. That is their purpose. Some people go into their use with a closed mind, so they miss the message. These people are called "psychedelic users/abusers." Others use entheogens to expand their consciousness, and open themselves up to all of the possibilities.
TL;DR Jesus is for entheogens.
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
#23555778 - 08/19/16 02:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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flickedbic said:
When you get called out on such unsupportable positions, suddenly you distance yourself from the book (which you were just selectively quoting as justifying your belief) as being full of garbage?
I'm not sure it's the book that's full of garbage.
"If they call the master 'beelzebub', what will they call the servants?"
I'm not suddenly distancing myself from the book. I had said all along that it's full of contradictions. In fact, it's one of those contradictions that we are debating about.
You have to be selective when you read the Bible -- BECAUSE IT IS FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS.
One of your many problems is that you refuse to acknowledge that there IS a contradiction and so you look extremely foolish - like when you say that Christ meant He was good when He said "why call me good -- no one is good except God." Then you make yourself look more foolish by stating that He was saying He is God, the Creator ("Father")!!! Right -- when He said, "why have you forsaken me?" He was talking to Himself!!!
Come On ----
I have no problem in seeing and saying that there are statements in the Bible that contradict His statement that He wasn't good . Thinking He was perfect when He was still in the flesh goes hand in hand with thinking He could walk on H2O. -
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: greencrush420]
#23555787 - 08/19/16 02:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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greencrush420 said: Too bad you opted out endogenous, I had 5 for ya. Jesus supports the use of entheogens. They are here to bring us closer to God. That is their purpose. Some people go into their use with a closed mind, so they miss the message. These people are called "psychedelic users/abusers." Others use entheogens to expand their consciousness, and open themselves up to all of the possibilities.
TL;DR Jesus is for entheogens.
Thanks.
My understanding is that Entheogens bring you closer to God because -- They are Themselves God, the Creator (the "Father").
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: KMt]
#23571475 - 08/24/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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KMt said: Genesis 1:29 says:
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29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
All classic psychedelics, excluding LSD, fits this description. Majority of Psilocybe Mushrooms are saprotrophic, contain spores as their seeds and are a living specimen, so they also fit the description.
PS: All dung-inhabiting species can also be considered a part of the description of Genesis, or not, that's up to your individual discretion.
So yeah, Yahusha (Jesus) and The Most High approve of the use of psychedlics and their consumption.
Of course, that is from the 1st creation, in which humans were created "in the image of God". In the "2nd creation" which starts around chapter 2, the humans (Eve and Adam) were NOT created in God's image and they were forbidden to eat from the Tree of Knowledge.
Incidentally, in the 1st Creation God is saying that the humans should be VEGETARIANS. And further, God said for all creatures to be vegetarians.
28 God blessed them, saying to them, "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and conquer it. Be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven and all living animals on the earth." 29 God said, "See, I give you all the seed-bearing fruit; this shall be your food. 30 To all the wild beasts, all the birds of heaven and all reptiles on the earth I give all the foliage of the plants for food." -- Genesis 1, 28
-------------------- The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.
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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
#23572106 - 08/24/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wonder what the giant in Jack and the Beanstalk feels about psychedelics
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