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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23538161 - 08/13/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus has been dead for over 2000 years.  Who gives a shit what he might have thought.  Do what makes you happy in the short span of the  lifetime that you've been gifted - and stop worrying about what ANYONE else thinks, - self- proclaimed deity or not...

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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23538193 - 08/13/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23538685 - 08/13/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Jesus has been dead for over 2000 years.  Who gives a shit what he might have thought.  Do what makes you happy in the short span of the  lifetime that you've been gifted - and stop worrying about what ANYONE else thinks, - self- proclaimed deity or not...

N.B.





I think it's important what Jesus thought, not necessarily for our sake but for the sake of freedom from persecution for using psychedelic plants.

Many of the judges and jurys that imprison people for their use have a high % of Christians in them. If we can show them that prohibition of psychedelic plants is unchristian, we stand a better chance at winning our cases, imo.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23538855 - 08/13/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well According to Bible, We are supposed to treat your Body As a Temple, So anything that can hurt your Mind, Body, Spirit, Should Be avoided.
I personally, Do not Believe that Christ would have a say in the matter ,As He Clearly Leaves the Option Up to You.:strokebeard: Just due to the fact That He gave Us Free-Will to choose & Do what we Please.

Not to De-rail to Much; But staying on Topic.
I've heard the theory that The tree of the knowledge of good and evil, was supposed to be some Type of Psycadelic; Which if you think about it it kinda makes sense when you think about it in that Light...:strokebeard: of it being "forbidden Item" That Unlocks Spiritual knowledge that God was Only allowed Access Too...PS this is Just a Theory, Mind You.LOL:tmckenna:

I believe with All Drugs "Used" as Tools and Combination  with Moderation, Not Abused mind you... :manofapproval: Can help Improve Ones Life. Which I think JC would Approve of.:seriousthumbsup:


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23539636 - 08/14/16 01:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23539652 - 08/14/16 02:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There's a lot of evidence that Christianity was founded on the use of psychedelics (mushrooms in particular) and they hid their drug use in the stories and parables of their sacred texts/art.

Jesus is a mushroom.



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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: jsncrs]
    #23539657 - 08/14/16 02:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Christianity started as a Amanita muscaria cult, or so I've read.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23539676 - 08/14/16 02:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Bible scholars talk of “types” of Christ that prefigure him. There is nobody of whom this is more true than David. Of course where David was indeed sinful, our Master was not


http://www.patheos.com/blogs/adrianwarnock/2013/10/how-king-david-reminds-us-of-christ-jesus/

See for example Psalm 51, where David pleads for mercy after his adultery.


Christ is without sin:
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It was the precious blood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God.



1 Peter 1:19

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For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.


(Heb. 4:15 NASB).




When Christ was alive "on earth" He was not sinless.

"Every high priest has been taken out of humankind and is appointed to act for people in their relations with God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sin; and so 2 he can sympathize with those who are ignorant or uncertain because he too lives in the limitations of weakness. 3 That is why he has to make sin offerings for himself as well as for the people. 4 No one takes this honour on himself, but each one is called by God. 5 Nor did Christ give himself the glory of becoming high priest, but he had it from the one who said to him: 'You are my son, today I have become your father', 6 and in another text: 'You are a priest of the order of Mechizedek, and for ever'. " -- Hebrews, 5,1 (St. Paul)

After He physically died, He ascended to God, who is perfect. The "Highest Heaven" where (God) Entheogens are at, is perfection. Everything lower than that, down to the lowest hell, is imperfect.

18Then a certain ruler asked Him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 19“Why do you call Me good? Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone. -- St. Luke, 18, 18


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
    #23539697 - 08/14/16 02:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yep, Jan Irvin and John M. Allegro both have books about this.

Allegro was an archaeologist and Dead Sea Scrolls scholar who spent years as part of a team deciphering the scrolls, at the call of the Vatican if I remember correctly.

Based on the evidence he saw, he came out with the claim that Christianity was started as a mushroom & fertility cult in his book "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross", and it completely destroyed his reputation and career.

I may have to dust the book off and read it again, but from what I can recall, the people of that era noted the strange emergence of shrooms and that they were "different to plants", and also noted the mushrooms "phallic" shape, and that they appeared only with rain. They believed the rain to be the semen of God which replenished their lands and crops, and provided them with a sacrament that put them in direct communication with the man himself. They believed that the rain was a reward from God for the act of sexual intercourse within their tribes.

There's a lot more to it, and it's fascinating as fuck


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23539952 - 08/14/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yet Jesus was not a high priest "taken out of humankind" like those mentioned inHebrews 5:1, rather he "came forth from the Father and entered the world" John 16:28


If you keep reading Hebrews it clearly makes the distinction that he is, "unlike the other high priests", undefiled and perfect:

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Such a high priest truly befits us—One who is holy, innocent, undefiled, set apart from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. 27Unlike the other high priests, He does not need to offer daily sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people; He sacrificed for sin once for all when He offered up Himself. 28For the Law appoints as high priests men who are weak; but the oath, which came after the Law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.


Hebrews 7:27



Regarding Luke 18:18, "No one is good except God alone"

Jesus also makes the statement:
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"I am the good shepherd." (John 10:14) This establishes his claim to deity in a double way. First, because of the criterion above, since he calls himself good, and this not only in a general way as "a good shepherd" (one of many) but as "the good shepherd".

It is a simple syllogism:

No-one except God is good and Jesus is good therefore Jesus is God.

(...)

Jesus calls himself not only "good", but he claims the title "shepherd". This is a clear reference back to Psalm 23 and, even more important, Ezekiel 34, where God himself is the shepherd of Israel (see this discussion). Thus, with this statement Jesus takes upon himself yet another title of God.

(...)

Jesus is challenging the religious leader to wake up and understand the truth that stands right in front of him. If he is calling Jesus "good," then he must come to understand that Jesus is God and not play religious games, but come to truly believe.




http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/4658/what-does-jesus-mean-by-saying-why-do-you-call-me-good

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Jesus asks a question (WHY...?), he does not deny it was correct or improper to call him good.


http://www.answering-islam.org/BibleCom/lk18_19.htm

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Jesus’ fundamental lesson here is that goodness flows not from a man’s deeds, but rather from God Himself.

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Thus, Jesus’ question to the man is designed not to deny His deity, but rather to draw the man to recognize Christ’s divine identity.


  http://www.gotquestions.org/good-God-alone.html


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23540161 - 08/14/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think that Jesus's opinion on the subject relies entirely on what you personally believe his opinion to be :stoned:


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23542739 - 08/15/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yet Jesus was not a high priest "taken out of humankind" like those mentioned inHebrews 5:1, rather he "came forth from the Father and entered the world" John 16:28 [....]




I assume that you believe that Christ died physically and came back to physical life after 3 days? And that He could walk on H2O? etc.?


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23542751 - 08/15/16 01:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think that Jesus's opinion on the subject relies entirely on what you personally believe his opinion to be :stoned:



It does seem like there's mainly 2 views of the Bible. One is a Walt Disney type of belief in which the magic wand is waved and people come back physically from the dead - or walk on h2o. The other view is that the Bible is a fairy story for the foolish.

I have found a 3rd view in which the Bible makes sense and you don't have to believe in Santa Claus or "magic" to believe in it.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23542848 - 08/15/16 03:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus was sinless , it was through him being sinless he defeated the flesh and this world. It's through his sinless blood that he protected us and through him we have the opportunity to repent and accept him.

It makes sense , he's sinless so he can judge others for their sins , the second coming...

He never sinned , he fasted for 40 days and defeated satan who rules this world.

He is sinless and will judge the sinners.

Not gonna argue with you or continue conversation but it's blasphemy to say jesus sinned.

Look up christian orthodoxy.  Look up desert fathers , look up jesus prayer , then youtube christian hermits , watch some videos. True knowledge.

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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Broly]
    #23542871 - 08/15/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Not gonna argue with you or continue conversation but it's blasphemy to say jesus sinned.




Well then Jesus was a "blasphemer" because He said that nobody is good except God.

I assume you believe that He "rose" from being physically dead - and He walked on H2O?


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23542897 - 08/15/16 04:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Not gonna argue with you or continue conversation but it's blasphemy to say jesus sinned.




Well then Jesus was a "blasphemer" because He said that nobody is good except God.





"I am the good shepherd." (John 10:14)

It is a simple syllogism:

No-one except God is good and Jesus is good therefore Jesus is God.


You are more fanatical than followers of many religions, desperately flailing in your attempts to twist the word.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23542920 - 08/15/16 04:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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No-one except God is good and Jesus is good therefore Jesus is God.

You are more fanatical than followers of many religions, desperately flailing in your attempts to twist the word.



Wow -- Christ says "Why call me good --no one is good except God", and you're interpretation of that is that Christ is saying He's God and good!!!! And then you accuse ME of trying to twist the word!!!!

Wow! My friend -- you've got big problems in the regions above your nose.

Right - anyone would understand -- if someone called me good and I said "why call me good - no one is good except God" -- that means I'm saying that I'm God and therefore good. Riiiight -- Whoo

Christ WASN'T saying He was God -- He said that His judgment is just because His aim is not His own will -- but the Will of God. So you think He's saying His judgment is just because He follows God's will and not His own -- but He is God??? Sheesh!


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous]
    #23543067 - 08/15/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think you missed this post

Why call him good?  Because he is God.

Saying Jesus was a sinner and "King David was Christ" and psychedelics are God... comon


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5)Salvia (need to try quid)


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23545798 - 08/16/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I know - it seems like a contradiction that on the one hand He says He's not good - and on the other He says He's the good shepherd.

But it's not really that complicated. In comparison to God, He's got sin and is imperfect. In comparison to the "hired person" who runs away when they see the wolf coming, He's the "good" shepherd. In the one case, "good" means that He stays and battles the wolf, in the other case "good" means not having sin. Not having sin is the perfection of good, and is the "good" that He pointedly says He doesn't have, to the extent that people should not call Him "good".

Like what St. Paul said, "We are only the earthenware jars that hold this treasure, to make it clear that such an overwhelming power comes from God (Entheogens) and not from us. -- 2Corinthians, 4,7
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"I will boast about a man like that, but not about anything of my own except my weaknesses......in case anyone should begin to think I am better than they can actually see and hear me to be." 2Corinthians, 12,5


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23545807 - 08/16/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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...and psychedelics are God... comon




"But now what is there for Me here? - it is Yahweh who speaks - now that My people have been carried off for nothing, and their masters shout their triumph - it is Yahweh who speaks - all day long My Name is constantly blasphemed. 6 My people will therefore know My Name, that day they will understand that it is I who say, "I am here."
-- Isaiah, 52, 5


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