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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Lucis]
    #23527830 - 08/10/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

"God works in mysterious ways"
Now let me proceed to tell you all about this omnipotent being. What a joke.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Lucis]
    #23527926 - 08/10/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think we must see the verses on alcohol for our hints:


Ephesians 5:18, "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Holy Spirit."


Isaiah 28:7, "But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink. They are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment."

Jesus rejected the opioid myrrh when it was offered to him mixed with wine during the crucifixion.

Mark 15:24:
"They offered him wine drugged with myrrh, but he refused it."



However it is also written

No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.



A Catholic Commentary on Scripture, edited by Dom Bernard Orchard (London: Thomas Nelson: 1953) states this (p. 488):
Two proper occasions for the use of wine, bodily suffering and mental distress; cf. Ps 103 (104), 15.

Here is the cross-reference:
Psalm 104:14-15 Thou dost cause the grass to grow for the cattle, and plants for man to cultivate, that he may bring forth food from the earth, and wine to gladden the heart of man, oil to make his face shine, and bread to strengthen man’s heart.


Of course we all know of the first miracle of Jesus changing water to wine at a wedding.


I would say drinking to drunkenness and losing control is forbidden, but to use a little drug wisely / medicinally seems different.



I feel like I met God on a good dose of Amanita.  IMO traditional psychedelics don't generally cause one to error in judgement, but rather gladden the heart when used wisely.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23527977 - 08/10/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They say that god created all and Jesus is the son of God. So I don't see why Jesus would hate he created Mushrooms to eat and trip off of. As long as its not being abused and used for good I don't see Jesus hating. :thumbup:


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23528483 - 08/10/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

"Jesus" was the allegorical cloak given to psilocybin mushrooms. Jesus was a mushroom


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23528844 - 08/10/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think Jesus used amanita muscaria and Christianity has many hidden hints/references to amanita muscaria and its effects.

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"Jesus" was the allegorical cloak given to psilocybin mushrooms. Jesus was a mushroom





Why do you think psilocybin? In my view, psilocybin mushrooms correspond to the Old Testament manna, whereas the amanita muscaria mushroom corresponds to the New Testament Eucharist. The effects of amanita muscaria can even feel very similar to the feelings evoked by the Christian communion ceremony. The connection between amanita muscaria and Christian communion is undeniable in my opinion.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23528882 - 08/10/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That is a good point but from what I thought "jesus" himself may have in fact been psilocybe semilanceata


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23529286 - 08/10/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Even Jesus got stoned :shrug:


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: impaired420]
    #23529376 - 08/10/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Let me start off by saying that I'm not even sure if Jesus existed and if he did he's no more the son of god than any of us are. I feel like if this ancient hippy truly walked the earth he would approve of mushrooms since they create mass feelings of love and seem to connect one to something greater than themselves, or perhaps connect them to the greatness that is their true selves. I don't see any reason why Jesus wouldn't be okay with mushrooms, in fact I feel like he would promote their usage.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LiquidVisions] * 1
    #23529408 - 08/10/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I will say the Church hates any drug except alcohol. Jesus most likely used cannabis at the least as it is a major ingredient in anointing oil.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #23529535 - 08/10/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I will say the Church hates any drug except alcohol.





This is true, but church isn't always how it appears, the bible says that wherever two or more are gathered in God's name, that is church, or something like that.  So if you're with your homie, and you guys dose a fat sack of shrooms, then talk about God, then you're having church.  The bible condemns a lot of things, but you have to remember why it does so, because of when the stories were written, and by whom.

The Bible also says that God saw his creation and was pleased, and if God is all knowing, then had to know that people would be dosing shrooms, cactus, etc, to have mystical experiences, I think God would approve to see his creations happy, and taking substances which encouraged growth.

Rastafarians believe in a bible passage or two which states God made all seed bearing plants for our use, so there's that too when you think about herb.  Christians shouldn't take the bible so literally, and should learn to have a one on one relationship with their God, instead of having a pastor be the middle man who pollutes the message with his interpretation.

I am not a Christian, but I find it beneficial to myself to study as many beliefs as I can, so that if I encounter a person of a certain faith, I can have a proper debate with them about certain issues, and not come off as being ignorant.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #23529557 - 08/10/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Let me start off by saying that I'm not even sure if Jesus existed and if he did he's no more the son of god than any of us are. I feel like if this ancient hippy truly walked the earth he would approve of mushrooms since they create mass feelings of love and seem to connect one to something greater than themselves, or perhaps connect them to the greatness that is their true selves. I don't see any reason why Jesus wouldn't be okay with mushrooms, in fact I feel like he would promote their usage.




Mushrooms that would grow from animal dung would not have been acceptable to Jewish dietary law. The use of Amanitas, while claimed to have been used by Egyptians by Andrija Puharich (spurious claim), are not evidenced among Jews at the time of Iesous or at any other time. However Daniel Merkur suggests that the 'manna from heaven' in Exodus 16:14-20 has suggested that the "flakes" which later deliquesced into maggoty material was psilocybian mushrooms. Personally I think that is a long stretch. Merkur also suggested in one or two of his books that the "shewbread" kept in the Holy-of-Holies and consumed by Moses and Aaron (which showed them "the glory of the LORD") was infected with ergot. Another stretch that appeals to psychedelic advocates who can't seem to grok that mystical experience actually occurs spontaneously, and is a matter of Providence and Grace theologically speaking.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #23529611 - 08/10/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I will say the Church hates any drug except alcohol. Jesus most likely used cannabis at the least as it is a major ingredient in anointing oil.




I prefer the interpretation of Acorus calamus, not cannabis in the holy anointing oil, which btw was ONLY used at the time of the tabernacle in the wilderness by Moses and his brother Aaron in ritual fashion. Should they have anointed themselves, the TMA might have been converted to a Mescaline-analogue in vitro. Iesous, even a greatly demythologized Iesous, was not going to be eating let alone smoking cannabis like some Arabic Bedouin. :lol: It cracks me up how people all want to claim comprehensible personal Iesous figures as someone they could relate to. A strictly Orthodox 1st century Jewish peasant, possible carpenter, and mendicant rabbi, was not some kind of ancient stoner. He had a mission and it was not laying about, feeding a case of munchies with mission figs in Roman-occupied Judea. :rofl:

BTW, there is historical evidence of an early Catholic practice of taking Muscarine from Amanita muscaria via snails that ate and detoxified the mushrooms:  http://distelrath.tripod.com/fabbro.htm ; Wine is considered a sacrament and unlike its use in the Jewish Passover sedar, it is and was, never imbibed to inebriation.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23529672 - 08/10/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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A strictly Orthodox 1st century Jewish peasant, possible carpenter, and mendicant rabbi, was not some kind of ancient stoner. He had a mission and it was not laying about, feeding a case of munchies with mission figs in Roman-occupied Judea. :rofl:






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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23529823 - 08/10/16 09:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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LiquidVisions said:
Let me start off by saying that I'm not even sure if Jesus existed and if he did he's no more the son of god than any of us are. I feel like if this ancient hippy truly walked the earth he would approve of mushrooms since they create mass feelings of love and seem to connect one to something greater than themselves, or perhaps connect them to the greatness that is their true selves. I don't see any reason why Jesus wouldn't be okay with mushrooms, in fact I feel like he would promote their usage.




Mushrooms that would grow from animal dung would not have been acceptable to Jewish dietary law. The use of Amanitas, while claimed to have been used by Egyptians by Andrija Puharich (spurious claim), are not evidenced among Jews at the time of Iesous or at any other time. However Daniel Merkur suggests that the 'manna from heaven' in Exodus 16:14-20 has suggested that the "flakes" which later deliquesced into maggoty material was psilocybian mushrooms. Personally I think that is a long stretch. Merkur also suggested in one or two of his books that the "shewbread" kept in the Holy-of-Holies and consumed by Moses and Aaron (which showed them "the glory of the LORD") was infected with ergot. Another stretch that appeals to psychedelic advocates who can't seem to grok that mystical experience actually occurs spontaneously, and is a matter of Providence and Grace theologically speaking.




Markos I am sure you know a lot more about the Egyptian roots of many Biblical teachings than I do, if the Jews did not use amanita do you think perhaps knowledge gained from this mushroom made its way from Egypt and influenced Jewish and eventually Christian myths?

I don't subscribe to the theory that all mystical and religious experiences throughout history were a result of magic plants, but it's very difficult for me to not see a connection between Aminita muscaria and the Christian Eucharist. A lot of amanita users have also come to this conclusion.

The question of entheogens and religious history has puzzled me for a long time. It would seem unbelievable to me that ancient peoples would lack knowledge of amanita's (as well as other "plants") potential to induce religious experiences, in the case of amanita mimicking Christian themes so excellently well or even the Hindu soma. But if so, how exactly was this knowledge lost to modern man?

I mean, wouldn't this be like modern society somehow forgetting about marijuana? If decades and billions dollars spent by modern society trying to wage a war on "drugs" has been so unsuccessful at eradicating them, how could knowledge of their use disappear from public consciousness almost entirely?


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: Broly]
    #23529928 - 08/10/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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he basically told me , not in a voice but in my heart that I don't need psychedelics to pray to him.



Entheogens give a person the ability to see what is beyond physical life without having to physically die to find out.

You don't need to ingest Entheogens to see that though -- you can have a near death experience, or you can physically die.

But whether you see Them by ingesting Them while you're still physically alive, or by having a near or actual death experience, you are seeing the same Being -- - Entheogens.

However, if you wait until you physically die to see and understand, then it's too late.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: a_stoned_sloth]
    #23529952 - 08/10/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Well people like to toss around the idea that Moses was high on DMT when he was talking to the burning bush. They say the bush was probably an acacia bush. And since its saturated in DMT Moses more then likely inhaled some of  the smoke and was on a very mild dmt trip.




Except that the part says that the bush wasn't consumed.

I believe that the "burning bush" was a red Amanita. Growing under a small pine bush it would look like the bush was on fire but not consumed.

The Hebrews did have alot of Acacia though. All the furnishings in the "Trysting Tent" (where they would meet with God), were made of Acacia wood. So, what do you think happened to the Acacia bark?

Good thing they made the furnishings out of Acacia, -- that they were burning the bark and inhaling, or otherwise ingesting Them, didn't survive the censors.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #23530052 - 08/11/16 01:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ya Mashiach followed the Torah, the first 5 books of the Bible.

Genesis 1:29. He, nor any other Israelites had any problems with psychedelics. You shouldn't either. Selah.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: KMt]
    #23530080 - 08/11/16 01:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Ya Mashiach followed the Torah, the first 5 books of the Bible.

Genesis 1:29. He, nor any other Israelites had any problems with psychedelics. You shouldn't either. Selah.




Is that a real thang from the Bible?


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23530996 - 08/11/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Genesis 1:29 says:
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29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.




All classic psychedelics, excluding LSD, fits this description. Majority of Psilocybe Mushrooms are saprotrophic, contain spores as their seeds and are a living specimen, so they also fit the description.

PS: All dung-inhabiting species can also be considered a part of the description of Genesis, or not, that's up to your individual discretion.

So yeah, Yahusha (Jesus) and The Most High approve of the use of psychedlics and their consumption.


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Re: How does Jesus feel about psychedelics? [Re: KMt]
    #23531173 - 08/11/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

All of you have good points, but I'm gonna baffle you all a little because I have spoken in Tongues(Plain English) about the Manna, and it is indeed a Mushroom ,but who know what One, or could it be all.(psychoactive fungi). Believe what you choose, but that is my belief. Peace & Love


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