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Concepts concerning the concept of "God" 2
#23526378 - 08/09/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sort of has become clear to me that to attribute things like,
ENDLESS ENDLESSNESS INFINITE INFINITY
is to limit God. "God" being just another finite concept we can comprehend.
Any concept is necessarily limited, and God is necessarily illimitable.
To "real-ise", or make real, God, would be to create a finite entity, since all real things, if they are things in contrast to other things, are finite, limited things.
Therefore whatever is realised is not God.
God is not this or that, not simple nor complex.
It seems the only real path to realisation is removing the doubt of God already being your experience.
To do this one must establish authenticity and integrity of self, because one's self is the goal, ultimately. One's self is the bestower of enlightenment, one's self IS enlightenment.
Rugged, stubborn determination, is one path, and the path I took. Simply dying to mind, or identification with mind, through persistent denial of the legitimacy of all that is impermanent, that is, of not being attached to anything impermanent, but still enjoying them, as they come and go, come and go.
Total removal of doubt is death into God and birth into the Kingdom and eternity.
It is permanent, unwavering.
-------------------- Hostile humankind Can't you see you're fucking blind?
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Re: Concepts concerning the concept of "God" [Re: beforethedawn]
#23527795 - 08/10/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Great post There is a saying that what is perceived cannot be perceiving. I can perceive my thoughts, my emotions, my body, the physical world around me, but none of them are me, because I am the perceiver itself. It is impossible to define what God is, because the moment you try to define it, it becomes a thing, an object, which can be perceived, and therefore separate from the perceiver. The only thing we can say about God is what it is not
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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Re: Concepts concerning the concept of "God" [Re: beforethedawn]
#23528714 - 08/10/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Maya that cannot be surpassed...
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Re: Concepts concerning the concept of "God" [Re: yeah]
#23530226 - 08/11/16 04:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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God is one of those disturbing things in your mind. Mind full of worms. Once a mushroom told me - I see a lot of things, yet worship none. Before humankind arrived with their stupid God we had a lot more truth and power. Why seek God that subconciously already sounds like male energy tainted with bullshit? Why cannot we assume that once there was NOTHING AT ALL. Then Life was born. Then simple organisms lived on Earth. Then human appeared. God was invented. Basically full of shit always forcing belief. Try to seek metaphysical God to see how absurd it is.
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Re: Concepts concerning the concept of "God" [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
#23530533 - 08/11/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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VeryStrangeMan - I agree with the idea that organised religion has been created by man, by the mind. Belief is a very dangerous thing. But what if God is not this masculine entity we are told to believe in? What if God is something we can directly experience? That is the point of the spiritual path - not to believe, but to become through direct experience.
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
Edited by PocketLady (08/11/16 03:04 PM)
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Re: Concepts concerning the concept of "God" [Re: PocketLady]
#23531712 - 08/11/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Certainly when I talk of God I make no reference to organised religion.
I should probably say "Tao"
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Re: Concepts concerning the concept of "God" [Re: beforethedawn] 1
#23531821 - 08/11/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think the word God is confusing because so many people immediately think of the "man in the sky" concept.
"The Tao that can be spoken of is not the true Tao"
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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Re: Concepts concerning the concept of "God" [Re: PocketLady]
#23531901 - 08/11/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Concepts concerning the concept of "God" [Re: beforethedawn]
#23532122 - 08/11/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wherein Satan could be explained having some consistency of behaviour similar to Chaos (put into equation desired pattern and you will have something presumable a bit - a situation will look like shufling cards), the God's paradox is too complicated due to presence of God's will involved. Satan let's you deal with the Game, taking no individual case for anyone, God takes the Chosen One once in a while to play with, repeating the same old things and manipulation to bend you as wished. Therefore people make Evil as Scapegoat,yet none seem to seek fault in God - an absurd lie that manifests through concept of Belief (use variable of *how many believerd God has* and find out why God is not dwad yet).
I have had my share of God experiences. Only in recent times self-awareness of Universe (or it's reflection) has been strong enough with me to find out history of God. Basically much like politicians - a lot of promises with disappointing results. Try once to sacrifice your mind for duty to observe processes in your soul,so you could see as any external entity is influence done by back doors exploit, unless it happened in front of your eyes. The more you trip with sober approach - having lonely trips,the more of God's parasitic behaviour you see. It is like paying enormous taxes for someone. And some cruel mindbraking questions..
Do you believe God? Do you fear being observed by God? Is there any God in yourself? Do you share your greed with God? Is God to be blamed for being unable to stop sin? If you disagree - do you have enough balls to whip God's ass to make it work for the World? Maybe you are able to communicate with God. You could ask it - what good deeds you have personally done today? From my experiences God always seeks for war and wants to blame others. God hates woman too, but loves to fuck them by possessing man. Then God says that ladies are sinful, yet forgives man. Why? Because God was made by male. Masculine entity. Human behaviour. Unless you find TRUTH - Life itself exists as paradoxal Entity having Death force within, so no God could exist before anything existed. That is like saying - God was individual consciousness Form that chilled out in Nothingness until he created Everything. Bit illogical.
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Re: Concepts concerning the concept of "God" [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
#23532152 - 08/11/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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God is like a ghost of ugly dude with his imaginary friend being a liar. He died and kept possessing people. He had one simple TRICK in sleeve - he could tell you anything and both you and him would believe it, until something would go wrong and God would blame you for "not filling the prophecy" and you would be forgotten forever. Hide yo wife, don't let God have sex with her. I am serious. God is one of dead shitheads ruining World for living, while himself being the Ultimate living dead.
Edited by VeryStrangeMan (08/13/16 09:53 AM)
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Re: Concepts concerning the concept of "God" [Re: beforethedawn]
#23533168 - 08/11/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I cannot comprehend God. Nobody comprehends God. God is a word that denotes The Incomprehensible Mystery which is Ultimate Reality.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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Re: Concepts concerning the concept of "God" [Re: beforethedawn]
#23536435 - 08/12/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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God is the supreme reality, its not incomprehensible we just have to see past the lies that claim God is a being. When we lack our true state of being the only thing that makes us feel alive is belittling each other, and of we believe that someone is below us, then we must believe that someone is above us until we become satan. And satan has minipulated this world for hundreds or thousands of years, causing us to worship and live under rule. God is only seen through the fourth state of consciousness, or true state of being (turiya), where the ego is entirely absent, and we are free from the 7 sins. The Bible isn't completely false but it has been either minipulated or written in tongues where only a designated group of us can read what it actually says. if we all would accept God there would be no war or misery or inequality.
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Re: Concepts concerning the concept of "God" [Re: bigdoodie]
#23536872 - 08/13/16 02:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Interesting posts...
Markos have you SEEN ultimate reality? I believe I have, off all drugs, completely sober, and it is the most beautiful mystery of them all.
Children playing in the street, the sound of their voices, it almost shattered me ...
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Re: Concepts concerning the concept of "God" [Re: beforethedawn]
#23537045 - 08/13/16 04:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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In the real supreme reality there is no emotion, life becomes an elaborate dream and we make no interpretations of things. Theres enlightenment, where theres a powerful sensation after awakening, and then there is the realm of consciousness that is beyond awakening, which is where we find God, or the supreme reality. in enlightenment, we fly and then eventually have to come back to earth, with God, our head stays in the cosmos, in heaven. If we are still using the words I, me, my, you, he, her, him, she, them, and they, then we have not seen God. we always think we're at the top until we realize that there's more.
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Re: Concepts concerning the concept of "God" [Re: bigdoodie]
#23537195 - 08/13/16 07:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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DUDE god its only name in english. shitty lang any way. god is not a some one in the sky god it is evry thing in evry thing.,, i mean evrything i mean it. in ur house inside ur phone in ur tv. just ask him and prey for singnals and u will see, it is not a concept it is a truth. sry about my eng my home lang is hebrew.
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