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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: PaulyAnna]
    #23545777 - 08/16/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you work with what you've got.


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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: PaulyAnna]
    #23546154 - 08/16/16 07:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

why do people choose beliefs which are absurd?

When I joined the Hare Krishna cult when 17, it was because I was looking for escape from the grim existence this reality is made for many people---the coercion to either get some sht activity/job or risk homelessness. Now many students suffer the prospect of becoming in deep debt for most if not all their lives UNLESS they get a job which pays enough for them to pay debt with interest.

What did the christians promise the native peoples they invaded and stole their land? The 'promised land'! after your D E A D!? hmmmmm :strokebeard:


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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23546325 - 08/16/16 08:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:

you work with what you've got.



Can you expound a bit more please?


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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: zzripz]
    #23546365 - 08/16/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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zzripz said:
why do people choose beliefs which are absurd?

When I joined the Hare Krishna cult when 17, it was because I was looking for escape from the grim existence this reality is made for many people---the coercion to either get some sht activity/job or risk homelessness. Now many students suffer the prospect of becoming in deep debt for most if not all their lives UNLESS they get a job which pays enough for them to pay debt with interest.

What did the christians promise the native peoples they invaded and stole their land? The 'promised land'! after your D E A D!? hmmmmm :strokebeard:




I chose to believe something because I was fully persuaded it was true. Things appear more relative, presently. . . and I'm content with that.

Having beliefs, whether another sees them as absurd, isn't the issue. But when a person or group of people hold to them as absolute truth with a closed mind, without considering or disregarding other information, various problems arise.

Without mutual respect and appreciation for our fellow, regardless of beliefs, we will continue to be divided and chide one another to no end.

How did your experience with HC go? Do you still believe any of their dogma?


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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: PaulyAnna] * 1
    #23546414 - 08/16/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Absurdity is subjective. Given the personal history and environment an individual is raised in, almost anything can be plausible. How many are raised Christian, believing in God all their heart, just to grow up and away from that and later see the fallacy belief? How many don't because they are enveloped in that atmosphere still?


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I think the word is vagina


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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23546417 - 08/16/16 09:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

ie

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akira_akuma said:
you work with what you've got.




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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23546428 - 08/16/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
ie

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akira_akuma said:
you work with what you've got.







:whathesaid:


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I think the word is vagina


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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: nuentoter]
    #23546502 - 08/16/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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nuentoter said:
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akira_akuma said:
ie

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akira_akuma said:
you work with what you've got.







:whathesaid:



Sorry, I'm slow and challenged this morning. . .

Can either of you break it down by way of present, personal example?


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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: PaulyAnna]
    #23546534 - 08/16/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i was an idiot and quit school basically as i hit high school...well, i wouldn't stay in school, and i wouldn't do any homework. so i'd fail anyway.

now i have to learn shit from a new perspective. i mostly learn shit on my own because i've taught myself to. i've worked with what i've got.

school always sucked where i come from anyway.


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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23546558 - 08/16/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
i was an idiot and quit school basically as i hit high school...well, i wouldn't stay in school, and i wouldn't do any homework. so i'd fail anyway.

now i have to learn shit from a new perspective. i mostly learn shit on my own because i've taught myself to. i've worked with what i've got.

school always sucked where i come from anyway.



The young n dumb example is a common example.

You evolved and emerged wiser later in life as "self taught" is what you're saying.?

Do you have a current example?

I am curious though, and this might apply, what did you learn from the recent ban?


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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: PaulyAnna]
    #23546648 - 08/16/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

that PSP is still junk because it's over censored and plus it's co-mingled with people whom are overly concerned with themselves.

and that the pub is worse then ever.


oh and a bunch of other stuff, like just...non-stop shit. i've reading alot about mythology and stuff...symbology...anthropology...just started this water book...water/body science. i'm reading a book about the Vietnam war called "the Bamboo Bed" by William Eastlake, it's excellent.
learning more about history, of religion and of war...geography is always on my mind...so i guess there's nothing "new" per se, there....um...naturalism has been on my mind, like war. kinda want to start learning how to grow my own food. there's also been math on my mind, like, see when i fucked off at school, that's different then when i was younger, and actually rocked it in school...but at someone point i stopped caring, and i really left off on the most important aspects of math to cement it into my brain; though, i do think it was a pretty lousy job to begin with...maybe i just forget, or maybe i was just too distracted with with myself, to realize that the concept was explained well enough. i dunno. i kinda wish more attention was paid to civics; and the classes and work on literature at the beginning sucked, and at the middle/end of my school experience, at where i went to school. so i never got into books as an inspiring subject to me, even though i loved writing stories. because there was no real instruction, you see. that's why i decided...i told the principal in grade 9, i'm not coming to school because this place is just trying to needle in the notion of being on time...and i said i don't have time for that shit.


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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: zzripz]
    #23546701 - 08/16/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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i went through an early crisis, and ended up a factory worker. I clung to this hellish existence for nearly 10 years!! When it was over I had deep regret for being such a fkin idiot until i dug that i had always a choice. it was ME who was getting up and doing it, noone else, and the reason i stuck at it was cause i was going by the 'better the devil you know than the devil you don't'! trip. meaning i was not willing to trust the unknown and use my POWER of choice. THAT is what fks a lot of people over and why they will cling to the most desperate existences




"Better the devil you know than the devil you don't."

I feel you. Fear is a B*tch which is why I'm still putting up with mediocrity. I think it all has to do with personality. Some people are less risk-averse and have the will to risk valuables ranging from money, safety, and love to happiness.

I guarantee your personality (given to you part by nature, part by culture, part by personal experiences) affects and INFLUENCES your decisions every single day.

We can overcome personality's influence on our decisions/choices by special chemicals, booze, mantras, meditation, impulsiveness, or by not caring.


Edited by Alonzo (08/16/16 12:06 PM)


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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: PaulyAnna]
    #23546773 - 08/16/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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How did your experience with HC go? Do you still believe any of their dogma?




No way do I! LOL. In fact now I learn that 'Krishna' is really referring to the psilocybin mushrooms, and that most myths are structured around some kind of psychedelic vegetation, especially psychedelic fungi (read The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, by John Allegro).

Thus again, one can choose to ask questions and find this kind of deeply revealing stuff out or blindly remain in ignore-ance not asking questions.


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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: Alonzo]
    #23549570 - 08/17/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

When you come to know God, there is no doubt.

It's he who grants you the freedom and ability to 'doubt'. :thumbup:


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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: PaulyAnna] * 1
    #23549623 - 08/17/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

When I was a kid, a teenager (maybe 17-18 years old) I knew went with his friend one day to a very small locally owned liquor store. When they got there, his friend decided to rob the place, and this kid I used to know went along with it. They maybe got away with a couple hundred. They rode on their bikes to "escape."

They were caught just down the street still riding their bikes, and charged with armed robbery. This kid I knew spent years in jail. When he came out, he was never the same. He never really recovered from that experience in his life.

His friend clearly made an objectively bad decision, and the kid I knew made an objectively bad decision by going along with that friend when he robbed the place, or even just by hanging out with that friend at all.

There are objectively bad decisions in life.


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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: nooneman]
    #23549706 - 08/17/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Prison is always 'dark' since its the second tier icon of the fall. I.e the fall within the fall.

Societies in the material plane that we call 'life' are nested away, separated in their own compartments that we call houses.

Prison is simply the intense version of the same (life) with close knitted, impersonal cells.

The icon of the fall becomes more intense, more concentrated. It is the example of an intensifying act and condition of the dark.

The place of light is where mankind is freed of rigidness and segregation and flies, free and creatively without limitation or hindrance.

The Kindgom is the house without compartments and doors unlocked. :thumbup:


Edited by Duncan Rowhl (08/17/16 12:20 PM)


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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23551731 - 08/17/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:

that PSP is still junk because it's over censored and plus it's co-mingled with people whom are overly concerned with themselves.

and that the pub is worse then ever.





Praise God


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