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PaulyAnna



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Choice and Decision
#23525588 - 08/09/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alan Watts called it "a mental wobbling".
Is there truly any "wrong" or "right" decision?
Does "it all come out in the wash" and work together in some unforeseen way, individually and collectively, for the "good"?
Additional comments on this Watts lecture excerpt and video are welcome.
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Edited by PaulyAnna (08/09/16 06:34 PM)
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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: PaulyAnna]
#23525663 - 08/09/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not going to watch the vid. I find it is about commitment.
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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: PaulyAnna]
#23525863 - 08/09/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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PaulyAnna said: Alan Watts called it "a mental wobbling".
Is there truly any "wrong" or "right" decision?
Does "it all come out in the wash" and work together in some unforeseen way, individually and collectively, for the "good"?
Additional comments on this Watts lecture excerpt and video are welcome.
The only thing that comes out in the wash is dryer lint. Of course there are wrong decisions. Make one and find out the hard way.
There is no collective good. No good deed goes unpunished, just like socialist society punishes everyone just for participating.
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The only thing that comes out in the wash is dryer lint. Of course there are wrong decisions. Make one and find out the hard way.
so true
then again
"truly any "wrong" or "right" " is so ambiguous as to be meaningless ...
That one doesn't have to make things worse, after screwing up, by taking everything personally, is a separate matter.
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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: PaulyAnna]
#23528058 - 08/10/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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i went through an early crisis, and ended up a factory worker. I clung to this hellish existence for nearly 10 years!! When it was over I had deep regret for being such a fkin idiot until i dug that i had always a choice. it was ME who was getting up and doing it, noone else, and the reason i stuck at it was cause i was going by the 'better the devil you know than the devil you don't'! trip. meaning i was not willing to trust the unknown and use my POWER of choice. THAT is what fks a lot of people over and why they will cling to the most desperate existences
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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: PaulyAnna]
#23532386 - 08/11/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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We call it a "bad" or "wrong" decision when the outcome is not as we desire.
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The only thing that comes out in the wash is dryer lint. Of course there are wrong decisions. Make one and find out the hard way.
so true
then again
"truly any "wrong" or "right" " is so ambiguous as to be meaningless ...
That one doesn't have to make things worse, after screwing up, by taking everything personally, is a separate matter.
Apparently you've never really screwed up, or you wouldn't consider it ambiguous.
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laughingdog said:
"truly any "wrong" or "right" " is so ambiguous as to be meaningless ...
I could write a novel about the many times I thought I made a "mistake" or did something "wrong" and it transformed into a wonderful turn of events I could have never anticipated.
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Likewise.
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Whatever the story, ending up in jail/prison for a long time is something that occurs when the "wrong" / "bad" choices are made, or you are just very unlucky. Or if you get drunk and run over your dog accidentally. Yeah there are definitely very, very bad choices one could make.
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ByCoverOfNight said: Whatever the story, ending up in jail/prison for a long time is something that occurs when the "wrong" / "bad" choices are made, or you are just very unlucky.
IME, life is nowhere near as black and white as that.
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I have found life to be like that. Either people accept and understand your choices or they punish the shit out of you to correct your malfunction. Most people get away with possessing drugs, lot's get hard time. You cannot know what the fear is like and the loss without having experienced.
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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: Morel Guy]
#23535597 - 08/12/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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LunarEclipse said:
The only thing that comes out in the wash is dryer lint. Of course there are wrong decisions. Make one and find out the hard way.
There is no collective good. No good deed goes unpunished, just like socialist society punishes everyone just for participating.
The only thing. . . Of course there are. . . There is no. . . No. . .
Seems like you have your mind made up and the color grey might no exist.?
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zzripz said: i went through an early crisis, and ended up a factory worker. I clung to this hellish existence for nearly 10 years!! When it was over I had deep regret for being such a fkin idiot until i dug that i had always a choice. it was ME who was getting up and doing it, noone else, and the reason i stuck at it was cause i was going by the 'better the devil you know than the devil you don't'! trip. meaning i was not willing to trust the unknown and use my POWER of choice. THAT is what fks a lot of people over and why they will cling to the most desperate existences
For those almost 10 years, do you feel they were wasted? Were life lessons taught and learned? Did you have an impact on other's lives?
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RJ Tubs 202 said: We call it a "bad" or "wrong" decision when the outcome is not as we desire.
I agree, most of the time this is so, but have you had an outcome wherein you traced back to a decision and felt it was good/right? Also, we tend to label decisions bad/wrong when some level of mental or physical suffering is experienced. This is not always so though.
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"truly any "wrong" or "right" " is so ambiguous as to be meaningless ...quote] I can't find bullet proof evidence for this statement, but this is bearing witness with me.
Maybe the good/bad & right/wrong decision is just a microscopic thread in a very large and beautiful tapestry that we cannot see nor perceive as such. If only we could know and understand from an omnipresent, collective consciousness things might make a more sense.
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laughingdog said:
"truly any "wrong" or "right" " is so ambiguous as to be meaningless ...
I could write a novel about the many times I thought I made a "mistake" or did something "wrong" and it transformed into a wonderful turn of events I could have never anticipated.
Thought being the key word in your statement. Does a decision boiled down to being good/bad because we believe it to be so?
^^^^^^^ This is the heart of the matter I'm really trying to get at with my questions and all of your subsequent statements and lack of agreement.
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ByCoverOfNight said: Whatever the story, ending up in jail/prison for a long time is something that occurs when the "wrong" / "bad" choices are made, or you are just very unlucky. Or if you get drunk and run over your dog accidentally. Yeah there are definitely very, very bad choices one could make.
With these examples, immediately, yes. But over a period of years, yes.? Again, usually the ones having made them and experienced their consequences can say, though others may disagree.
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ByCoverOfNight said: Whatever the story, ending up in jail/prison for a long time is something that occurs when the "wrong" / "bad" choices are made, or you are just very unlucky.
IME, life is nowhere near as black and white as that.
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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: PaulyAnna]
#23538212 - 08/13/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote: zzripz said: i went through an early crisis, and ended up a factory worker. I clung to this hellish existence for nearly 10 years!! When it was over I had deep regret for being such a fkin idiot until i dug that i had always a choice. it was ME who was getting up and doing it, noone else, and the reason i stuck at it was cause i was going by the 'better the devil you know than the devil you don't'! trip. meaning i was not willing to trust the unknown and use my POWER of choice. THAT is what fks a lot of people over and why they will cling to the most desperate existences
For those almost 10 years, do you feel they were wasted? Were life lessons taught and learned? Did you have an impact on other's lives?
Well. what got me over a deep despair when I would think about such a 'waste' was the point I was trying to make. the realization that it was my choice to work at the factories because of my fear of the 'better the devil you know than the devil you don't'. But I did learn stuff. For a big one I learnt what it actually feels like to be a cog in the machine which is what factor-ies were designed for. So I can empathize with people who have experienced that hell. I have actually lived it so that has deepened my experience of it, but I would NOT recommend it.
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Re: Choice and Decision [Re: PaulyAnna]
#23540738 - 08/14/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's truth and sin (wrong mindedness).
Good is truth and sin is bad.
'Right' and 'Wrong' are terms applicable to an objective.
The question then, is; is the objective good or bad?
There's a common argument people put forth that evil is subjective, in that it depends upon the individuals viewpoint, but there's nothing more distant from the truth and the opinion in itself as a perfect demonstration of sin. Even the supposedly insane person with no social regard still have the essence of truth at the core of their being and it makes no difference if it's even recognised or expressed. There are no exceptions.
Everything that is not of the light is wrong mindedness, which is a fight against the self - a futile, perpetual effort of pride battling against the only thing that truly is, but that which is anti-ego and thus something that the ego will not accept in any way, shape or form.
When you discover the light, decisions become even easier because the dark means and dark ends are so clearly apparent in contrast to the light.
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Well, it depends how you think about it..
If you have a negative thought it can affect your actions and that it self is a prose of truth..
So basically if you feel youve made a wrong choice..it is therefore a wrong choice..based on the emotions/regret you have to supply yourself with! which is a form of energy in our bodies and mind..which is why strain exists..and pain etc!
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'Truth' is the absolute holy essence of your very being.
It's not a perspective of something in the physical, which in itself can be argued as a 'dream'.
Truth is what Mystics yearn for (and everyone else subconsciously) as life only gives them a peep behind the veil at best.
Truth too could be regarded as the 'place' we are going to.
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ByCoverOfNight said:
Whatever the story, ending up in jail/prison for a long time is something that occurs when the "wrong" / "bad" choices are made, or you are just very unlucky. Or if you get drunk and run over your dog accidentally. Yeah there are definitely very, very bad choices one could make.
Many people praise God for such a scenario.
Because the incident caused them to wake up and stop drinking.
For some people, they say it was a blessing. A very good thing.
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Prison is the manifest of the spiritual counterpart, in that, if the mind is shackled and restricted, so then will the body eventually be.
Another could imprison someone who is innocent however but it's still a projection of a shackled mind in having made (incorrect) judgement.
Edited by Duncan Rowhl (08/15/16 04:16 PM)
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There is no inherent right or wrong. If you do things that land you in jail did you make wrong discussions? Wrong for who? If you are in jail there is a very good chance your choices lead to the detriment another in some way. If you make a decision that gets you killed, was it wrong did you simply learn the hardest lesson of your now finished life?
10 years wasted at a crap job, bad decision to stay or was it simply a lesson that took you 10 years to learn and your the better for?
Question everything. Remove shame and pride and question it again. Be selfless and question it again. Things are rarely they seem when it does come out in the wash.
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