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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: 404]
    #23570401 - 08/23/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh I see.

And then


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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23570414 - 08/23/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No and then!


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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: 404]
    #23571047 - 08/23/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:jolly:
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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: La Flama Blanca]
    #23571131 - 08/23/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So lot of posts haha.

I am in a Psychic ward since June.

First weeks got Tavor, Rispedal , Zopiclone to sleep.

After those weeks i was just Zombie mode and quitted them slowly.
I am taking now 1 Rispedal at night.
Yesterday they started dosing 0,5 Abilify to start with to see how it does.
I didnt really notice it but i was a little more active.

I feel i am not the way up the mountain yet and climbing on top will be hard.

Has anyone had succes with retalin ? May it help?

I get here good medical attention from professionals and i dont have a concrete diagnosis.

It may be DP/Derealisation or it may be a Transitioning phase from a Awakening to a higher consciousness.

I feel i went way to deep into the hole and i am slowly coming out .


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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: Trippedytrip] * 1
    #23571145 - 08/23/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you sound much more clear man. i'm glad to hear that you're getting help from professionals. i'm glad you didnt take bad advice from people like beforethedawn lol. stay on track with your treatment. one day you won't need it any more, but be patient with yourself. time is on your side.


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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23571188 - 08/23/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I used to be on Ritalin (methyphenidate) and it helped with my energy quite a bit. I was on concerta which is time released methylphenidate for the longest. I was alson on .5 mg risperidone, and soon to be bumped up to 2mg for some magical thinking i had. i don't take any meds these days though there are times where i really wish i still had my concerta script as it really helped with energy and focus in school.

your symptoms you described were spot on for depersonalization/derealization, and it is a dissociative order, and it is treatable! Don't feel so down, have hope that there are indeed brighter sunnier days ahead of you :smile:

may i ask what they think the diagnosis is so far?


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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: 404]
    #23571285 - 08/23/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

But i dont feel it is DP maybe yes . I feel numb most of the time pretty much.

They think it is also DP/Derealisation induced by cannabis.

I am now abstinent week 6 :smile:


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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23572059 - 08/24/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

404 you must have missed it. he said there is no concrete diagnosis yet.

trppedytrip i was prescribed ritalin when i was very young. that was the first amphetamine i was prescribed. since then i've tried damn near all of them...concerta, adderal, sudafed (sp?), all of which gave me undesirable side effects of some kind. thats why i rarely took my medication over the years. a few years ago i tried dextro-amphetamine. have been taking it 5-6 times per week since then. no side effects.

ritalin might not work for you. its very very common to have to try several different amphetamines before you find one that is right for you. be patient though, it is worth the wait. my medication has improved the quality of my life so much. i have ADHD though, so i'm not sure if they will do for you what they did for me. only time will tell.


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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: La Flama Blanca]
    #23572065 - 08/24/16 07:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My thing is i am half the way up and still in the void.

Any amphetamine or med that can help me get going and improve my mood overall and be more active to help me getting out from there.

I started 2 days ago with 0,5 Abilify .

It has helped i think but it is to soon to say something .


Any other meds or something where i can reach this new level of consciousness and open my eyes to the bright light of life ?


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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23572182 - 08/24/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

try asking for a different amphetamine. ritalin is very out-dated and not used much any more because so many people have side effects with it. however, given your current state, the side effects might be invisible to you. my side effects with ritalin was itching. other people feel naseau. other people don't want to do anything physically active. only way to know how it will effect you is by trying it. don't be discouraged if it doesn't work....like i said i tried almost every single amphetamine on the market before i found one that works for me. i'm glad i did too. thanks to my medication i have a good job, my own house, no roommates, my things are clean, (amphetamines makes cleaning chores much easier lol) i even have the energy to workout most days even after i've been at work for 9 hours. most people go right to the couch after their work day. not me, i get shit done and improve my life some more.

amphetamines get a bad rep, and its total bullshit. no illegal drugs have ever helped me even half as much as pharmaceutical drugs. don't listen to the nay-sayers.


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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: La Flama Blanca] * 1
    #23582518 - 08/27/16 05:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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404 you must have missed it. he said there is no concrete diagnosis yet.





I didn't miss it, i saw. depersonalization/derealization are symptoms that accompany other issues, or may be their own dissoctiative disorder on their own, the docs are likely trying to figure out which it is if there is no concrete diagnosis yet.

Anyway, glad to see you have sensibility about you. Pharmaceuticals don't really deserve the bad rep they get a lot of the time, although there are some very very outdated chemical treatments out there today, and are no longer used for good reason.


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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: 404]
    #23582864 - 08/27/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Pharmaceuticals don't really deserve the bad rep they get a lot of the time, although there are some very very outdated chemical treatments out there today, and are no longer used for good reason.




Quite true.


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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: 404]
    #23583299 - 08/27/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

404 said:
Quote:

La Flama Blanca said:
404 you must have missed it. he said there is no concrete diagnosis yet.




Pharmaceuticals don't really deserve the bad rep they get a lot of the time, although there are some very very outdated chemical treatments out there today, and are no longer used for good reason.




maybe you don't see just how corrupt the pharmaceutical industry is, I do. They are a huge influence on the so-called ironic 'war on drugs'. Why...? because they want people on their toxic drugs , and COCKTAILS of their toxic fayre for 'life', and those who are younger and younger. They are evil!


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    #23584517 - 08/27/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sorry but, it is a fact that many thousands if not millions of lives are saved, literally saved, by prescription drugs.  This is a fact; look into it if you wish, I'm not going to take the time to document it.  There are many nasty effects and side-effects of many pharmaceutical chemicals, but by and large there's a market for them because they work.  Your polemical views about it are simply extreme and ill-informed; I guess that's ironic, I don't know.  Costs are immense (because we don't have our shit together in the USA), but it's really not all some grand scheme to fuck people over.  The problem with the pharmaceutical industry is not the legitimacy of the drugs, but the sky-high costs.  We do need to get that under control as a society.

But make no mistake, millions depend on this industry in order to function and make a living in the world.


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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23585868 - 08/28/16 05:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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But make no mistake, millions depend on this industry in order to function and make a living in the world.




I am afraid I see you don't see the terrible sad irony of what you state here.

The bottom line is the whole industry for 'psychiatric drugs' is based on a lie.

I am not giving a 'polemic' but stating things as they really are: checkout this very informative article (I CAN be bothered to present evidence):

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Anatomy of an Epidemic - Summary of Findings -Whitaker

1. Disability Numbers Due to Mental Illness Are Soaring. 
Our society understands that the arrival of Thorazine into asy
lum medicine in 1955 kicked off a
“psychopharmacological revolution,” leading to much better long
-term outcomes for people with psychiatric
disorders. Yet, the disability rate due to mental illness, as measured by adults under governmental care, has
risen from one in every 468 Americans in 1955 to one in 76 today.
The rise in the number of disabled mentally ill has been especially pronounced since 1987, the year that Prozac,
the first of the “second-generation” psychiatric drugs, arrived on the market. The
number of adults on SSI or
SSDI due to mental illness has risen from 1.25 million in 1987 to more than 4 million today. The number of
children and youth on SSI due to a serious mental illness has skyrocketed from 16,200 in 1987 to more than
600,000 today.

2. Affective Disorders Run a Much More Chronic Course Today than in the Pre-Drug Era.
The rise in disability
numbers is being driven by a sharp increase in the number of people disabled by affective
disorders (depression and bipolar illness.) In the pre-drug era, the affective disorders were seen as episodic
illnesses, with fairly good long-term outcomes. As George Winokur, a leading expert at Washington University,
explained in a 1969 text:  “Assurances can be given to a patient and to his family that s
ubsequent episodes of
illness after a first mania or even a first depression will not tend toward a more chronic course.” However,
affective disorders today run a chronic course, and functional outcomes (employment rates, etc.) are much
worse than they were 50 years ago.
For instance, in the pre-drug era, roughly 50% of people hospitalized for first episode of  manic
-depressive
illness were asymptomatic in long follow
up studies, and only 15% to 20% became chronically ill. Various
long-term studies found that 75% to 90% worked, and people so diagnosed did not show signs of long-term
cognitive decline. Today, bipolar patients suffer many more acute episodes of illness and are much more likely
to be rapid cyclers; they often suffer low
-grade depressive symptoms in the interludes between acute episodes;
only about 33% to 40% are regularly employed; and they show long
-term cognitive impairment.
Here is how the NIMH’s Carlos Zarate has summed up this deterioration in modern outcomes: “In the era prior
to pharmacotherapy, poor outcome in mania was considered a relatively rare occurrence. However, modern
outcome studies have found that a majority of bipolar patients evidence high rates of functional impairment.”

3. It Is a Myth that All People With Schizophrenia Need to be On Antipsychotic Medication All Their
Lives. 
In the decade prior to the introduction of Thorazine, 65% or so first
-episode schizophrenia patients admitted to
state mental hospitals would be discharged within 18 months, and at the end of five y
ears, 70% to 75% would
be living independently in the community. (Employment rates for the men were above 50%.)
This good employment rate continued into the early 1960s. An NIMH study of first-episode patients treated
either with an antipsychotic or a placebo upon initial hospitalization found that one year later 58% were
employed (or functioning well as “housewives.”) Furthermore, it was the patients treated in the hospital with
placebo who were the least likely to be rehospitalized at the end of one yea
r.
Since then, numerous studies have found that there is a subgroup of first-episode schizophrenia patients who
can recover and fare well without the use of antipsychotic medications, and that it is this unmedicated subgroup
that has the best long-term outcomes. Most recently, in an NIMH-funded study conducted by Martin Harrow at
the University of Illinois College of Medicine, 40% of the schizophrenia patients off medication were recovered
at the end of 15 years, versus 5% of those on medication. “I conclu
de that patients with schizophrenia not on antipsychotic medication for a long period of time have significantly better global functioning than those on
antipsychotics,” Harrow reported at the 2008 meeting of the American Psychiatric Association.
In western Lapland in Finland, the psychiatric community has been using antipsychotics in a selective manner
since 1992, and today that region has the best outcomes in the Western World. At the end of five years, 80% of
first-episode psychotic patients in western Lapland are either working or back in school, and here is their
medication use: only 33% have been exposed to antipsychotics, and only 20% are regularly maintained on the
drugs. 

4. Use of Illicit Drugs and Antidepressants is Fueling the Bipolar Boom 
Fifty years ago,
bipolar illness was a rare disorder, affecting perhaps one in 3,000 adults. Today, one in every 40
Americans is said to suffer from the disorder. While this increase is being driven in part by an expansion of
diagnostic boundaries, it is also being fueled by the widespread use of illicit drugs, and by the use of psychiatric
drugs (stimulants and antidepressants.) 
In studies of first-episode bipolar patients, roughly one-third suffered their first bout of mania or “mood
instability” after they had abused illicit drugs (amphetamines, cocaine, marijuana and hallucinogens are
common culprits.) 
In patients diagnosed with unipolar depression, treatment with antidepressants more than triples the risk that
they will convert to bipolar illness, such that 20% to 40% of long-term users of antidepressants today end up
with bipolar diagnosis. In a survey of members of the Depressive and Manic-Depressive Association, 60% of
those with a bipolar diagnosis reported that they had turned bipolar after expos
ure to an antidepressant.

5. The Medicating of Children and Youth for Mental Disorders Is Not Helping Them Thrive Over the
Long-Term.
In long-term ADHD studies, the medicated youth have not fared better than the unmedicated group. For
instance, in a long-term study conducted by the NIMH (known as the Multisite Multimodal Treatment Study,)
medication use at the end of the third year “was a significant marker not of beneficial outcome, but of
deterioration.” Furthermore, children treated with stimulants are
exposed to significant long-term risks; 10% to
25% convert to bipolar illness, which puts them onto a lifelong path of chronic mental illness.
Twelve of 15 pediatric studies of SSRI antidepressants failed to show even a short-term benefit for the
medicated group over placebo. Antidepressants can cause a host of psychiatric and physical side effects in
youth; most problematic is that 25% of youth treated with antidepressants convert to bipolar illness within four
years.
Prior to the 1980s, which is when the prescribing of stimulants to youth became common, bipolar illness was
virtually unknown in prepubertal children. Today, one percent of all American youth are said to be bipolar, and
surveys of children so diagnosed have found that more than 65% turned b
ipolar after treatment with a stimulant
or an antidepressant. Long-term outcomes for youth diagnosed with juvenile bipolar disorder are poor; they
exhibit symptoms “similar to the clinical picture reported for severely ill, treatment
-resistant adults,”
researchers have found.

6. Conclusion.
There is evidence that psychiatric medications may be helpful over the short
-term, and there are some people
who fare well on the drugs long term. However, the outcomes for affective disorders have noticeably worsened
during the modern drug era, and there is evidence that a significant percentage of schizophrenia patients can
fare well over the long term without the use of antipsychotics. The regular use of psychiatric medications has
also fueled an astonishing increase in the number of adults and children diagnosed with bipolar illness.




They maybe 'helpful in the short term' BUT the way things are for the state of the overall 'mental health of people in the world, no. My whole point of contributing in this boards is to continue trying to explore and wake up, and encourage others, and to point out what we as a species are doing not only to each other, but other species, and our very home, the ecosphere we all depend on. You seem to big-up 'happy pills' so as to keep the sorry game 'functioning' where I want it fked UP so that we are faced with what's what and then there can be real radical change. Psychological (psychic) pain is telling us something!


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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23587261 - 08/28/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey guys ,


I feel humiliated by myself.

I overdid drugs and had many thoughts going on wich led to Psychosis and madness.

Now i am here , nothing really left. A lost sight remembering what i have lost.

I am fucked . I brought everything upon surface.

No more future past now just present and i dont do progress in life , there isnt any going forward anymore.

I think il might be doing euthanasia because i have lost hope within and it wont get better.

I dont want to sound as a pitty doll but it might help having someone wich i can tell to before i do it to my loved ones.

Peace to everyone




Euthanasia is still suicide dude. You're knowingly taking a substance that you know will kill you. There's no other way to enter death besides the way you're supposed to... at the end of your life. You're not there yet.

You're down right now, but that will make the high that much better when you straighten yourself out. Fight for it. Stop being a pussy and grow up.


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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: LRG]
    #23588287 - 08/28/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You said it , i need to fucking complain stop and fight for it !

I sometimes am a pussy


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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23594710 - 08/30/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Tripp-- you're 19?

that's both incredibly ancient and very young. :smile:


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    #23600577 - 09/01/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: When a life is over at 19 [Re: La Flama Blanca]
    #23607213 - 09/03/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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La Flama Blanca said:

i spend all day with me, 24/7, sometimes i get sick of me just like i'd get sick of anyone else i was around 24/7.





Might there be a way to not get so sick of yourself you need drugs to escape?

What exactly about yourself do you wish to escape from?


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