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Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? 1
#23524013 - 08/09/16 05:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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https://aeon.co/ideas/remote-control-of-the-mind-is-coming-how-will-we-use-it
05 August, 2016
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Controlling the minds of others from a distance has long been a favourite science fiction theme – but recent advances in genetics and neuroscience suggest that we might soon have that power for real. Just over a decade ago, the bioengineer Karl Deisseroth and his colleagues at Stanford University published their paper on the optical control of the brain – now known as optogenetics – in which the firing pattern of neurons is controlled by light. To create the system, they retrofitted neurons in mouse brains with genes for a biomolecule called channelrhodopsin, found in algae. Channelrhodopsin uses energy from light to open pathways so that charged ions can flow into cells. The charged ions can alter the electrical activity of neurons, influencing the animal’s behaviour along the way.
Soon researchers were using implants to guide light to channelrhodopsin in specific neurons in the brains of those mice, eliciting behaviour on demand. At the University of California the team of Anatol Kreitzer worked with Deisseroth to disrupt movement, mimicking Parkinson’s disease and even restoring normal movement in a Parkinsonian mouse. Deisseroth and his colleague Luis de Lecea later demonstrated that it was possible to wake up mice by activating a group of neurons in the brain that control arousal and sleep.
But optogenetics has been challenging. Since light does not easily penetrate dense fatty brain tissue, researchers must implant a fibre-optic cable to bring light into the brain. This limitation led to the development of another, less intrusive technique known as DREADD (designer receptors exclusively activated by designer drugs). In this case, a receptor normally activated by the neurotransmitter acetylcholine is modified to respond to a designer drug not normally found in the body. When the designer drug is delivered, neurons can be manipulated and behaviour changed over a number of hours. The major drawback here: the slow course of drug administration compared with the rapid changes in brain activity that occur during most tasks.
In the past couple of years, researchers have pioneered a newer technique using low-frequency radio waves or a magnetic field, both of which can penetrate the body without causing damage. The waves serve to heat iron oxide nanoparticles injected or genetically targeted to the body region of interest. In a process similar to optogenetics, the heated nanoparticles open an ion channel called TRPV (transient receptor potential vanilloid), allowing calcium ions into the cell. Depending on the location of the nanoparticles, the ions might accomplish any number of tasks – from releasing insulin to suppressing the gastric hormones involved in feelings of hunger.
It seems only a matter of time before we use similar technology to treat neurological and mental health problems originating in the brain. Toward this end, some researchers are working with gold nanoparticles, which, when exposed to special light, can generate enough heat to make a neuron fire without the need to alter its genes.
More research is needed, but these systems are potentially more precise and less invasive than existing techniques for altering brain activity such as deep brain stimulation. With so much progress on a variety of fronts, some form of human mind control – and the treatments and benefits it confers – should be here before long. We just need to make sure that like other emerging technologies – artificial intelligence and robotics come to mind – they are used for good to improve lives.
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#23524856 - 08/09/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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With so much progress on a variety of fronts, some form of human mind control – and the treatments and benefits it confers – should be here before long.
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: musiclover420]
#23524955 - 08/09/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Since light does not easily penetrate dense fatty brain tissue, researchers must implant a fibre-optic cable to bring light into the brain.
This sounds like a mystical discussion, as the pineal gland is supposed to function as a light receptor.
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: durian_2008]
#23524971 - 08/09/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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All I can find is this quote:
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The production of melatonin by the pineal gland is stimulated by darkness and inhibited by light.
I don't see anything about the pineal gland itself reacting to light, more likely the body sends different signals depending on how light or dark it is.
If the pineal gland actually functions as a light receptor I am not seeing any mention of it lol the next line sums it up:
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Photosensitive cells in the retina detect light and directly signal the suprachiasmatic nucleus (SCN), entraining its rhythm to the 24-hour cycle in nature. Fibers project from the SCN to the paraventricular nuclei (PVN), which relay the circadian signals to the spinal cord and out via the sympathetic system to superior cervical ganglia (SCG), and from there into the pineal gland.
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Edited by musiclover420 (08/09/16 01:58 PM)
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: musiclover420]
#23525020 - 08/09/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is thought that at one time the pineal gland was in a different location and directly photosensitive. More to do with the optical nerve these days.
I think they don't know much about the brain. All they do with modern science is raise this or blockade that to achieve affect. There is no known end point of human consciousness evolving so their just going to fuck with shit and make everyone retarded.
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Edited by Morel Guy (08/09/16 02:26 PM)
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23525044 - 08/09/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Where else would it be where it could be directly receiving light though? That seems pretty unlikely considering its size and our brain/ skull structure 
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Morel Guy said: I think they don't know much about the brain. All they do with modern science is raise this or blockade that to achieve affect. There is no known end point of human consciousness evolving so their just going to fuck with shit and make everyone retarded.
How else do you expect us to learn more about our brains?
I bet you will be singing a different tune years from now if you have Parkinsons disease or anything else treatable through modern technology such as this
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: musiclover420]
#23525053 - 08/09/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The idea is that our skull evolved. It might have been when our ancestors were fish, never thought of that one in bible school eh?
Ya and the Nazi's made a great deal of scientist advances in medical research, wtf is your point? Someone else get's to enjoy their pathetic ignorant pointless selfish existence when someone better than them was a lab rat?
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23525080 - 08/09/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23525107 - 08/09/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you think that in fish, the pineal gland was outside of the skull where it received light? Can you give references for any of that?
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: searching]
#23525151 - 08/09/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I do not know how or what the pineal evolved from. There is not a lot of good info to draw a conclusion. Not any pineal gland fossils that I've ever heard of.
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23525185 - 08/09/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh so that was just a bunch of stuff you either made up or might have heard on a joe rogan podcast. Then why are you telling people to go back to Bible school like you know what you're talking about?
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: searching]
#23525193 - 08/09/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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searching said: Oh so that was just a bunch of stuff you either made up or might have heard on a joe rogan podcast. Then why are you telling people to go back to Bible school like you know what you're talking about?
Is bible school a scam? Really nothing to do with this thread yet perhaps some implications. It was an open joke about evolution and spirituality.
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23525203 - 08/09/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: The idea is that our skull evolved. It might have been when our ancestors were fish, never thought of that one in bible school eh?
Ya and the Nazi's made a great deal of scientist advances in medical research, wtf is your point? Someone else get's to enjoy their pathetic ignorant pointless selfish existence when someone better than them was a lab rat?
Also using Nazi's as some anti research argument is one of the stupidest things I may have ever read 
So just becouse some people perform inhumane research for misguided reasons it is all bad?
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: musiclover420]
#23525216 - 08/09/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok use all the homo decals to express yourself like it somehow has a point.
If you are so interested how about you sign up to be a research test subject for a little tiny check.
I find science can be misguided. Takes more error to find something that can be called a sucess.
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23525231 - 08/09/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Ok use all the homo decals to express yourself like it somehow has a point.
If you are so interested how about you sign up to be a research test subject for a little tiny check.
I find science can be misguided. Takes more error to find something that can be called a sucess.
My body will be donated to science when I die most likely and I would gladly be part of research for the right cause.
People in general can be misguided, that is nothing unique to science... Without trial and error/ research we wouldn't be having this discussion right now
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: musiclover420]
#23525248 - 08/09/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ya but you will be dead then with a very high likelihood of no side effects. My mom will do that too for a medical student. You won't likely be contributing much to the actual new new.
People didn't suffer as much from computer science as they have for medical understanding. Does not compute
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23525255 - 08/09/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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And I don't support a lot of animal testing either. Bad enough I eat meat. The shit we do to stay alive has been awful. Most people aren't even grateful.
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#23526817 - 08/10/16 01:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is fucking amazing, what this is actualy implying is that in all likelyness we will have the technology to remotely control other beings including humans against their will using technological methods and that this will likely become achievable within our life times.
Now consider the military black budget programs and research on this. If this shits making it to the commercial scientists then I'd bet anything that the military secret intel scientists and their budget and motivation probably already have this as a working technology.
When someone can command a person or creature against their will from a distance that would make some real big issues in our society, it could potentially change the entire way we interact with each other and life forms as a species.
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: nice1returns]
#23527171 - 08/10/16 04:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I want to rip my pineal gland out...can you still survive without one? Also, military way ahead of it.
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Re: Remote control of the brain is coming: how will we use it? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23527199 - 08/10/16 05:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: The idea is that our skull evolved. It might have been when our ancestors were fish, never thought of that one in bible school eh?
Ya and the Nazi's made a great deal of scientist advances in medical research, wtf is your point? Someone else get's to enjoy their pathetic ignorant pointless selfish existence when someone better than them was a lab rat?
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