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Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!!
#23524007 - 08/09/16 05:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello well here is my dilemma I've been going through a drug program an I recently messed up. On Sunday evening I did some heroin without thinking soo I go into my treatment center this morning and my counselor popped a test on me. I went to the br and rinsed my mouth and rubbed my gums and cheeks while I pretended to try and give a urine sample. I said I couldn't do the urine sample so they would give me a swab. I heard they where easier to pass. I really hope I pass BC I was fixing to be eligible to phase up and get my take home meds I knew I should of never gave in over the weekend. So can n e one help me and tell me I didn't completely screw myself like do you think its possible I will pass and not screw myself so I can take this as a lesson learned. I'd sure hate to fail when I've been doing soo well. I know I've came a long way though so I am very proud of myself I just hope my mess up didn't set me back. So my ? is, is do u think I failed it? What's the chances of me passing?
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Re: Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!! [Re: wmlslw2016]
#23524073 - 08/09/16 06:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Please someone????
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Re: Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!! [Re: wmlslw2016] 1
#23524077 - 08/09/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nobody can tell you man. It's possible either way, but I'm not going to sugar coat it. Sunday evening to Tuesday morning is not long enough for most people to pass a test. Your only hope is that you cleaned your mouth out well enough to be lower than the detectable limit.
It's already done now, you're just going to have to wait and hope. It might help to just be honest if they start asking you questions at this point though. People slip up in recovery, it's what happens sometimes. Just tell them it won't happen again and you know how serious this is.
If your take home meds are opiates like methadone or suboxone, then maybe it's not a bad thing if you don't get them to take home yet, no? If you want to be off of the stuff then this shows that you may still be liable to abuse them if you bring them home. That wouldn't really help solve the main problem.
On the same note though, I'm on methadone and I know how shitty it was to have to go get my drink EVERY DAY no matter what before I started getting my carries. You'll get there whether you pass the test or not, just don't let it stress you out.
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Re: Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!! [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#23524084 - 08/09/16 06:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks I appreciate your input at least someone cared enough to answer thanks man. I know it just really sucks BC my counselor was like due to your past drugs tests your eligible to phase up if u pass this test. I guess I can take it as a lesson learned. I read ibuprofen could make it negative do u or n e one know of something I can say I took this morning that could of made it negative? I understand my mistake I've just come to far for this to get me down. I'm in methadone but I'm on a low dose at 50 mg. I've been successfully on it for almost four months now. Well three of them successful. Except for this mess up I've done pretty good I'm proud of myself. I was on herion for almost two years. My life is soo amazing now I hate that I messed up. I know it won't happen again. I'm glad this happened actually. Do u think I need to talk to my counselor about upping my dose???
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Re: Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!! [Re: wmlslw2016]
#23524088 - 08/09/16 06:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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God dammit. Get your shit together.
Life isn't easy if you keep fucking yourself in the ass when you're given a second chance
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Re: Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!! [Re: plasma]
#23524094 - 08/09/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ur right but one thing is, is that I gave myself this second chance no one gave it to me. I'm responsible enough to know my fuck up. I just am trying to fix it. I guess I just have to accept it though and move on. I love my life believe me this will be my one and only fuck up. If u where in my shoes you would know for a fact what I know and that's the difference getting clean has made in my life. But thanks I do appreciate your constructive criticism sometimes that's what people need to hear
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Re: Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!! [Re: wmlslw2016]
#23524118 - 08/09/16 06:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Holy crap 3 months is amazing. My friend and I quit around the same time and he used once at 3 months clean as well and lost one of his carries. He regretted it a lot too and hasn't touched it again. It's not the end of the world, it's just a lesson learned and ever more reason why you'll never want to go back to that shitty fucking life.
It gets easier and easier as time goes on, just stay on the right track, don't sweat one screw up, and you'll be there soon. Time has flown by since I quit H and got on methadone. I'll be 6 months clean soon (besides the methadone) from a 6 year opiate addiction and now that I remember what life is like without them compared to what it's like with them I'll never touch them again. I'm sure you know what I mean, especially since you're doing this for yourself and not because you've been forced to by someone else. It's the same way for me.
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Re: Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!! [Re: wmlslw2016]
#23524122 - 08/09/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you're still craving hard then I would maybe suggest upping your dose a bit.
I didn't want to be at a high dose either, but I continued to use heroin when I got on methadone for months. Eventually I REALLY tried to quit, and I ended up at 75mg in order to better stabilize my cravings.
The methadone program is a marathon not a race. If you have to go up, you can always go down again, just do it slowly when you're finally ready . Don't worry so much about what dose it takes and instead try to work on building a life and hobbies that don't revolve around scoring and using drugs. That's the life you can bring with you when you do decide to start getting off of methadone.
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Re: Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!! [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#23524130 - 08/09/16 06:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Awesome. I admire you and can't wait to be where you are. It definitely was a mess up I'm not going to be making again. I'm glad it happened this way actually instead of me getting away with it. Maybe it was meant to happen this way to teach me a lesson. I believe everything happens for a reason. I have always dabbled in opiates from time to time but never was in them as strong as I was on herion for the past two years. I stepped back and looked at my life and my spouse who was using too and realized the opportunities we where waiting away spending up to $160 j + a day. Now we have money in the bank and are about to take a nice vacation to the beach. I wish I. Would warn everyone and I do every chance I get. Its fun and games in the beginning and you think it won't get u BC at first is manageable but then bf you know it ur life is a mess and u can't even recognize urself in the mirror. I very proud of you and myself and anyone that's strong enough to say I'm better then that and make the change. Congratulations on being clean. Me and my sons father are in the methadone program together I went first and he followed shortly. Its was his idea to get some tjis weekend an old dealler hit him up saying he had some and usually I'm the strong one that's says no but I gave in this time. I am going to go through and erase numbers and I guess block the ones that will influence him and me. I need to not do that and keep a clear head for both of us. Yes I am worried about getting on too high of a dose BC I don't want to be on this medication long term and I don't want the taper to take a year when I'm ready like I've heard. I quit h BC of my life and BC I was tired of being physically dependent on something to keep from being sick which it seems like that's the same thing I'm doing now. Idk what do u think
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Re: Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!! [Re: wmlslw2016]
#23524139 - 08/09/16 07:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I hope your bf or husband is as set on getting clean as you because it's extremely hard to be in recovery yourself if the person you love and live with starts using again. You need each other for support right now, not temptation.
In regards to not wanting to be on a higher dose because you don't want to be on it long term, I still feel the same way. It's just that now I realize that being on methadone allows me to have a normal life again, and it's important to have that for a long enough time that it all feels completely normal again, and the hustling and getting high lifestyle seems so far away as to not exist. That way when I do get off methadone, this is the only kind of life I even think about living rather than having to fight myself all the time not to use.
As for upping your dose, that's up to you. If you find yourself craving like crazy, just up it. It's better to just go up than start using again. If this is only a one-time thing and you're sure of it and it's all okay, well then don't up it. Methadone is meant to help with cravings so, just don't risk full blown relapse in order to stay below 60mg, ya know?
It all gets easier though. 5 months without heroin compared to 2 and 3 is night and day for me. I feel like I'm even past that point where it's been long enough that I start trying to convince myself I could do it just once and be fine. That's a hard point to get past but now I don't really even consider grabbing anymore. I still think about it sometimes but I've been working on myself mentally too and am doing better than I have in a long long time. It's a lot to do with being aware of your thought processes and realizing they come from a place of emotion or habit, not logic. It's basically self-taught and performed CBT.
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Re: Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!! [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#23524202 - 08/09/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry I am working today I just now got a break. I think that is the hardest part is the oh I can only do it once part. The fact is is yeah maybe you can do it once and it be fine like I just did bc I have had these thoughts more them once. The I can do it just once and it'll be fine thought. The way I think about it is I have fought soo hard to get away from it will that one time give MD pleasure or n e type of fulfillment or just make me want more. The thing is is I tried it and what did it do??? It made me regret it, itade no difference just made me want more. I was also short on a payment that I wouldn't have been if I didn't do that. So next time u feel that way just step back and think about all these things. My counselor told me to take the money I'm wanting to get stiff with and do something better with it. Like one time instead of giving in I went and bought me a pair of sandals on sale for $16.99 that where reg $29.99 and let me tell u thatade me feel soo much better then Sunday and less stupid. Lol yes I felt stupid to have waisted the money.
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Re: Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!! [Re: wmlslw2016]
#23524203 - 08/09/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ur exactly right in everything you said.
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Re: Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!! [Re: wmlslw2016]
#23524333 - 08/09/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've personally been there enough times that I know for a fact I'll never be able to use heroin responsibly in any way for the rest of my life. It will lead me right back to active addiction and that's a fact no matter how I may try to rationalize the opposite.
When we try to convince ourselves that we can use it just once, or worse, just once in a while, that's just our brain trying to trick us back into active addiction. The centre of our brain that causes addiction is one of the most ancient and deep rooted parts of it and is involved in the desire for things that feel good and help us survive/pass on genes like eating food and having sex. The way it operates has worked for millions of years to keep us animals alive, but it's because the drug exploits this region of the brain in such a strong way (stronger than any of our natural desires) that it's so hard to actually quit once you've become addicted. You're getting signals saying "you NEED this to survive," and only your ability to use logic allows you to know otherwise. As addicts, we're stuck using our reasoning abilities in the much, much newer cortex, trying to use freaking logic and willpower to override one of the single most primal, powerful instincts we in the animal kingdom possess. That primal part IS YOU just as much as the reasoning centre is, and it's had many millions of years to practice getting what it wants.
Luckily, as strong as it is it's not very smart, so it can be retrained. By staying off of heroin, we're both in the process of doing that right now. It's just a matter of giving it a plethora of new, healthy stimuli that make it feel good, like exercise, reading, and meditation, in order to rewire those primal brain circuits into craving something healthy instead. Apart from that, it just needs time. Lots and lots of time.
And a good attitude. Staying positive (and actually feeling positive too, rather than just going through the motions) has been my best help and probably the biggest reason I've been able to stay clean this time with even less actual effort than any other time I've ever tried. You should definitely treat yourself to things sometimes that you otherwise wouldn't have been able to afford. Now that I have my carries I've gone camping and done all kinds of things this summer that were either impossible or prohibitively expensive for the last several years. You've gotta do some things you like, especially early in recovery, to show yourself that there are so so many perks to staying clean beyond the mental ups and downs and simply not getting sick.
I'm on unemployment right now because my work shut down in November. It's funny but even though I'm only getting 55% of what I used to make, I now actually have more money to spend on the things I both need and want than I did in my entire 2 and a half years working there .
Anyway hey, the Shroomery is a pretty awesome place. I don't know if you were a lurker before you made your account or if you just found us while googling about your drug test, but you should stick around and check out what it has to offer. There are some of the smartest, nicest people on the whole internet here. This is "The Pub" which is not necessarily around to be serious so people goof off a bit and troll more than usual, but there are tons of awesome subforums for all kinds of different topics. The Physical and Mental Wellbeing forum has an opiate addicts support thread stickied at the top of it, so you can post there any time and have only serious replies rather than Pub replies. Here, I'll find it and post a link:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23267340/fpart/1
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Re: Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!! [Re: wmlslw2016] 1
#23524336 - 08/09/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The way you typed that makes it seem like you really have to take a piss
-------------------- Anyone got a lowpass filter in this biiiiash?
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Re: Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!! [Re: wmlslw2016]
#23525254 - 08/09/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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50mg isn't what I'd call low. That's moderate.
When I was in a program I was testing positive like 5-6 days after I stopped, but that was urine. I think mouth swab is more like 24-72 hours, so it is a toss up.
Get off methadone is my advice. Ever try kratom?
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Re: Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!! [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23525359 - 08/09/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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50mg is on the lower end of the spectrum for people new to the program and getting stabilized. Most people end up between 60 and 90.
Also why would she get off methadone when she literally just had a relapse? If it's the only thing that's worked (note the 3 months clean because of it) after 2 years of heroin addiction then there's nothing wrong with staying on it until the cravings for dope are almost completely gone and your life is normal again. Quitting right now would just mean a huge risk of going right back to heroin.
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Re: Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!! [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#23525387 - 08/09/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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50mg would be pretty hard to jump off of though. I would consider 5-20mg low. 50 is smack dab in the middle of medium.
Idunno I probably give bad advice, but I can't stand programs, drug tests, and all that. Methadone is a hell of an addiction for a shitty high, and it isn't a step in the right direction if you ask me. It's definitely too late to just stop though, and kratom likely won't work, so my advice doesn't really help. I might be crazy but I think the ustable life of heroin addiction is easier to stop than the stable taking maintenance every single day 2x/day, but the absolute worst is combining the two lives. That just sucks because you never really get high, and tolerance goes through the roof.
I've never been sicker than trying to get off maintenance, so I am bitter, that is all.
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Re: Mouth swab drug test for opiates urgent please help ease my mind!!!! [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23525819 - 08/09/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I haven't tried to come off of it yet but I do know it's horrible to quit cold turkey if you don't properly taper. I can say that it's the only thing that's made me able to have a normal fucking life again though. That is more of a step in the right direction to me than anything, regardless of the fact that I am still addicted to an opiate. It's also not important whether the high is shitty because if you're on the program you don't get high from it or feel anything really. It's not being clean by any stretch of the imagination, but from where I stand, I'm SO much closer to sobriety now than I was before.
To each their own though. You're definitely not the first person I've talked to who greatly disliked either the program itself or the premise. I think how anyone views something like methadone or suboxone just depends on what their own specific wants and goals are, as well as personal interpretation and opinion of some key things like what matters most in recovery. Ain't nothin' wrong with that.
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