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Liberty Cap
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[NOOB KIT / PF TEK] P. cubenses journal log
#23523979 - 08/09/16 04:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi guys,
this is my first post in this amazing forum, I hope I'm posting in the right section. It now has been 18 days since I inoculated the spores in the bag and the cake is nearly full colonized.
On the bottom it really looks hot and sexy, but on the top it has a couple of white big stains, they are of the same color of the mycelium (really white) but without 'dots' from the substrate. These stains have been there from the start of the colonization (as far as I remember), I also remember that I inoculated bad the first time, not going deep enough. Is that still mycelium? (Doesn't look fluffy (cobweb) to me)
Also from a couple of days the bag is filled with condensation, but the mycelium is still growing strong, is it ok?
Sorry for the bad english but it's not my main language, Thanks for the help!
P.S. I'll add a pic tomorrow since today I have nothing to take it.
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HERE you can watch the video
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Edited by Liberty Cap (08/25/16 05:02 AM)
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: Liberty Cap]
#23524059 - 08/09/16 05:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can't expect anyone to know what you are talking about unless you post some pics. Come back tomorrow and post some if you want folks to help you.
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23524731 - 08/09/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can't go describing something so vaguely and then expect us to definitively know what you mean. Could be mold that will kill you, could be a sign of pinning...
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: Inocuole]
#23527053 - 08/10/16 03:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Now it has been 19 days, it is nearly full colonized I got the photos but the camera couldn't focus on the top of the bag because of the plastic surrounding it... Anyway I'll post it

Taking a look at a good lighting now the top seems like the other surfaces, what do you think?
Thank you for the help
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: Liberty Cap]
#23532175 - 08/11/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bumperoo!
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: Liberty Cap]
#23532204 - 08/11/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can't see shit through that bag....
Looks OK from what I could see but I wouldn't be surprised if theres bacteria in there with all that moisture...
What Tek are you following?
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23532213 - 08/11/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm following P.F. tek, but I bought my substrate (and everything else) from a growshop (only place where I could find that kind of stuff), and they only sell this kind of 'bag' yet prepared... I'm going to move the cake on a SGFC when I'll birth it. Today It seems like it is full colonized, should I wait a week with that moisture or should I proceed with the dunk and roll?
P.S. The paper the grow shop gave me says to just roll the cake in H2O2 after full colonized (no waiting), and then just roll in vermiculite, no FC, no perlite, nothing, I think that's some kind of simplified kit..
Thank you for your help
EDIT: missed a word and spelling
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Edited by Liberty Cap (08/11/16 05:08 PM)
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: Liberty Cap]
#23532464 - 08/11/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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No problemo dude. Wishing you all the luck. And welcome to the shroomery.
Pick up a pack of jars and some BRF+verm when you get the chance. I think you will find jars much easier to work with....and more forgiving too. Theres a general consensus around here that kits are really, really REALLY shitty. They are fun for the first timer I guess but the quality just isnt there. Best to rock and roll and DIY.
Let me know if you need any help moving forward.
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23533548 - 08/12/16 02:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but the people in this "growshop" are absolute and complete fucking morons. You only use h202 for genuine cobweb mold. Not any pin mold, not trich, not on anything but cobweb and cobweb only.
From what I can see, that bag is looking bacterial. You have parts where the BRF is stuck to the bag and the mycelium isn't able to colonize it, other spots look soggy, probably from a mix of bacteria and metabolites. Your mycelium looks very thick, almost like cream. The 3rd pic shows this the most but you can pretty much see it in the rest of the pics.
You should wait and see if it colonizes without stalling and then fruit it. Bacterial subs can still perform. If it stalls out, you should cut off the uncolonized pieces and fruit it.
And for the love of god, don't dunk that in h202. Dunk it in water and roll it in verm.
To be honest, that thing is a horrible way to start the hobby. Cakes are generally made with 1/4-1/2pint jars, not gigantic bags. BRF mix is very dense so the mycelium has a harder time going through it compared to grains. This makes a spore solution inoculation even riskier, the slightest amount of bacteria in your syringe will have plenty of time to outgrow your mycelium.
Buy some BRF, some jars, a new syringe and do it all yourself, it will save you a LOT of grief. You don't even need a PC for the PF tek so why bother with pre-made crap? Especally since the guy who sold it to you seems to be a mycological retard.
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23534386 - 08/12/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Supalemonhaze said: Especally since the guy who sold it to you seems to be a mycological retard.
This... don't understand how people think they could be so bad at a thing, they'd rather pay someone who has no idea what they're doing to do it for them.
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: Inocuole]
#23548853 - 08/17/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you guys, today I've dunked the bag, I'll post a video of the dunk if I can.
@Supalemonhaze, so you suggest me to remove the bacterial pieces? Sorry but english is not my main language.
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: Liberty Cap]
#23549027 - 08/17/16 04:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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OK, as promised I uploaded the video HERE (the password is shroomery.org)
You can see the white stuff on the top of the cake, thank you for your help! <3 <3
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: Liberty Cap]
#23563576 - 08/21/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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UPDATE: yeah they are contaminated, I have posted some more photos.

Will they be edible? Is there some kind of treatment for this kind of contamination?
Thank you
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: Liberty Cap]
#23563578 - 08/21/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't even see evidence that the mushrooms themselves are contaminated... there is no treatment for any contamination other than dactylium and you won't ever have that on cakes in a SGFC.
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: Inocuole]
#23563588 - 08/21/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I mean the white 'mold' on top of the shroom isn't a good thing, or is it?
Sorry but I'm a newbie, and I'm not native English so maybe I used the wrong expression to say that
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Edited by Liberty Cap (08/21/16 05:35 PM)
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: Liberty Cap]
#23563602 - 08/21/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That looks like the universal veil, and not mold. Mold tends to look like mold.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_veil
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: Inocuole]
#23563617 - 08/21/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks that's a good news,  I'll bother you another second, could you tell me what is the white stuff on the center of the third and fourth photo? Thank you so much!
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: Liberty Cap]
#23563641 - 08/21/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That is a rhizomorph. Structurally, it's normal for cubensis and other psilocybes. In this case, it appearing in that way is an indication of bacteria though. The mycelium appears very thick and solid white when bacteria is present, and the spikes of the rhizomorphs tend to be rather thick, like they are there.
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: Inocuole]
#23569656 - 08/23/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you so much for all those infos. Anyway now there is something white on the stem of the shroomies.. I've posted some more photoes:

What is this? There are some mushrooms that are unaffected, should I toss the infected one (in case that's something bad) or should I toss them all?
Thank you for your patience
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Re: White stain (mycelium ?) on top of the cake [Re: Liberty Cap]
#23571350 - 08/24/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Now it is spreading on big ones too, what should I do?
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