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If DMT became "mainstream"?
#23523918 - 08/09/16 02:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lets say that DMT production could be scaled the same way that LSD is. Obviously this isn't really feasible but lets just say it was
So DMT hits the street and starts to go for about 25$ a gram let's say
Do you think that people would start doing it regularly? Like the same way LSD (esp with its recent surge in quality) has become a household name so to speak, do you think DMT would ever rise out of obscurity? Would it ever become a drug that is usually taken as a recreational drug (the same way that LSD has)?
I mean IMO DMT isn't really a recreational drug in the classic sense. Even L I feel can be done almost purely recreationally. I feel DMT is almost all spirituality and little hedonism if that makes sense? I feel I am not experienced enough to comment Thoughts? I mean I feel at the 15-25mg (medium dose for ME), the effect generated could fit this description. Esp the 10mg dose did this for me
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
#23523927 - 08/09/16 02:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think it could ever become mainstream due to the propensity for DMT trips to be difficult, 'non-recreational', or just damn right scary. The only drug which seems to take one further in that direction is Iboga, although I have not yet tried it (as much as I want to).
Most drug users just want straight up, easy, hedonistic fun, IME.
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82] 3
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Spirit molecule was on netflix. Anybody I know who likes lsd also likes dmt. It is mainstream and, I would argue, easier to obtain than lsd.
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I_was_the_walrus said: Spirit molecule was on netflix. Anybody I know who likes lsd also likes dmt. It is mainstream and, I would argue, easier to obtain than lsd.
I mean sort of. Anytime I have brought DMT up or someone else has in a circle of drug users, its some super mysterious hard to acquire mega-drug
I mean I am at a uni in california (university+california means the rates of drug use are relatively high) and I still feel that its fairly obscure
I am yet to meet a single person who has done DMT besides me. And multiple people seem interested in procuring it based on my convos with them. Similar to L in many ways. in the sense most of what is said about it is generally misinformation other than the people who have done it. I mean walking into a convo about DMT by 20
Also; Would you guys say the DMT headspace at light doses is similar to L or shrooms? I feel a 7-14 grams of cubes would be equivalent to a strong DMT dose. Probably more intense...right?
Like I said, I have experience with DMT but it is limited. And my exp with L and shrooms has never been beyond 3.5 grams or 1.5 tabs. So someone with more exp please comment/step in
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
#23523981 - 08/09/16 04:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The smoked DMT experience if I had to describe it in such a way is kinda like taking an entire high-dose shroom experience and condensing it into a 20 minute time span
That's just a rough comparison but I don't really think it would catch on as well as shrooms or LSD simply because it'd such a sensitive chemical, it's easy to destroy it by using too much heat unless you make some infused leaf with it but most "mainstream" people probably wouldn't be inclined to do that
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: OhMrJohnson]
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I think its too powerful of a drug for most people to do and want to continue to use over time. Also if it did become "mainstream" or readily available there is more potential for shitty people to get their hands on it and maybe sell it to people who are not experienced or kids, who might be thinking its just something like weed.
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Hold up, I'm on lunchbreak in the new DMT bar, Let me get back at ya in 20 minutes because reality is fading fast right now.
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: Turtletotem]
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I remember watching some stupid drug addict type tv show thing some few years ago.
It was like a documentary on these two white guys that would apparently smoke DMT everyday on their lunch break. Giving DMT the nickname "white mans lunch" or something like that.
I dont remember much of the show but thats the first time id ever heard about it, and i wasnt into psychs then so it had to have been awhile ago when i watched that.
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
#23524238 - 08/09/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It would be pretty easy to synthesize DMT on a large scale. Theres multiple routes to do it in tihkal and none of the chems needed are that hard to get as far as i know.
The real problem with selling DMT is that most people cant handle it. Theyll smoke way too much, get major hyperslap and seek revenge on the one who sold it.
I think something like 5:1 or weaker infused leaf might be viable. So that you cant smoke yourself to hyperspace in only a few hits. Then again why would you buy that if you could just get shrooms or lsd.
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You'd be extracting not synthesizing would you not?
DMT already is mainstream. Hell The shits practically sponsored by Joe Rogan
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If I had to only choose between DMT infused leaf, LSD and shrooms for the rest of my life, I would choose DMT. Thats just me though
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
#23524314 - 08/09/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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hahah bro wat? How do people think DMT is mainstream? It is on the level of like PCP in terms of obscurity. At least at my college. I think maybe my friend group just isnt as heavy with drug use or something. They all smoke weed heavily and take molly here and there. Coke here and there too
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
#23524374 - 08/09/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If i wanted to sell DMT on a big scale id be synthesizing it.
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howsyournaggerdoin said: If i wanted to sell DMT on a big scale id be synthesizing it.
I just looked up the synth online. If DMT really was in that much demand, it would have already been done. Makes a lot more sense
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
#23530074 - 08/11/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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if dmt when mainstream, it would be blow my mind. Talk about a total restructuring of society forever....
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LogicaL Chaos said: if dmt when mainstream, it would be blow my mind. Talk about a total restructuring of society forever....
Well my assumption is that within my lifetime, marijuana will become legal. Once that happens, the door with open up for the rest. I would say it will start with Molly, and shrooms. Then the rest
So that hypothetical "if" you are referring to will be reasonably soon. Like within the next century. After DMT and MXE become openly and widely available, who knows what the fuck will happen?
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82] 5
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I've said to myself for a few years now, that if mankind does the right thing and stops prosecuting, and imprisoning people simply for altering their own consciousness as they choose (providing they are doing harm to no other) that my faith in our species will be (at least partially) restored.
Cause right now, I'm one misanthropic fuck, and I think the fucking whole of the human race deserves to be wiped out. I can't see a single redeeming feature to our species as a whole.
Paradoxically, I think individuals are wonderful. But 'mankind'? What an absolute clusterfuck.
Carlin, as always, said it well:
People are wonderful. I love individuals. I hate groups of people. I hate a group of people with a 'common purpose'. 'Cause pretty soon they have little hats. And armbands. And fight songs. And a list of people they're going to visit at 3am. So, I dislike and despise groups of people but I love individuals. Every person you look at; you can see the universe in their eyes, if you're really looking. --George Carlin
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Wow great fucking quote. Sounds a little soft for carlin
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
#23531187 - 08/11/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd buy stock in Alex Grey tshirts.
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: wigglewak]
#23531210 - 08/11/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I thought DMT (or at least, Ayahausca) was mainstream? Everyone's going down to Peru for the jungle juice. I say everyone. Everyone who can afford a "gap yah"
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Dmt needs to stay off public radar so my bark prices don't go up. I've been extracting and using dmt for years and back when i started, a kilo of powdered mhrb was 50 bucks to 75. Now a kilo of powdered can go as high as 200+.
DMT does not need to be mainstream for all to enjoy it. Anyone can look up an extraction online and buy bark and give it away, it's that easy to make.
But if bark becomes increasingly hard to acquire due to new laws and regulations, then what are we to do?
I would hate for DMT to reach LSD style social awareness. In my opinion, the only thing true mainstreaming would do is besmirch DMT's beautiful reputation and good name
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
#23531434 - 08/11/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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DMT has the potential to become mainstream.
In the health food circles, tryptophan is a very big thing, its being sold in tonnage quantities to the general public worldwide. Tryptophan can be converted to tryptamine and then to DMT with basic chemistry.
Plants cannot do it, not make it mainstream.
Chemistry can.
You can cook DMT in the kitchen by the kilo with some lab equipment and reagents.
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: Asante]
#23531447 - 08/11/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes but let's not.
At least not until it is legal. Again, the only thing that could come from this is law enforcement criminalizing DMT and it's users and comparing it to crack or speed.
Did anyone see key and peele's movie Keanu?
The drug in that movie was called Holy Shit and was a mixture of pcp, molly, and DMT. Now that is just upsetting that DMT is being compared to pcp and molly. This is what I mean. Mainstream just means more misinformation about an absolutely beautiful molecule.
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
#23531459 - 08/11/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Seems like a lot more people have learned of DMT in the last 8 years. Popularity in America has definitely spiked.
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: ak47myth]
#23531471 - 08/11/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I rather have people cook DMT than meth.
Tryptophan gives you the tryptamine. Methanol gives you the dimethyl.
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: Asante]
#23531520 - 08/11/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Look, I completely understand the awesomeness of DMT.
Like I said, I have been a user and extractor for years, but if mainstream society has taught me anything, it's that people are really good at ruining a good thing and giving it a bad name.
Some people out there still think weed is as bad as crack and its spot on the scheduled narcotics list reflects that. Weed is just now being treated differently. Imagine what they would do to DMT If people started mass producing it in labs before it is legal. Just sayin.. careful what you wish for.
I can see headlines now: "Breaking news on the new drug craze that is sweeping the nation and swindling your youth into becoming ne'er do wells who no longer wish to participate in society the way we have programmed them to for centuries and what you can do to stop it!"
Some people still think LSD rots your mind, a fine example of misinformation spread by members of mainstream society.
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
#23533100 - 08/11/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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@natedawgnow: I like your sig. solid quote
Also; I sort of agree. Esp with the last line of your post. I think the bark prices would go up, and we would here a lot about bad trips more than the good ones. DMT is a very powerful molecule, and without the right information and education, it has the potential to fuck a lot of people up
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
#23533162 - 08/11/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: it has the potential to fuck a lot of people up
Not sure if I agree with you here TD. With the exception of people predisposed to mental illness, I don't think it would 'fuck a lot of people up'. A lot of people (probably those that feel they always need to be in control) would probably get shit scared doing it, but alongside that I'm sure it would be beneficial for many.
If you wanna talk about things that 'fuck people up', look at stims, opiates and alcohol.
There's a reason DMT has gone semi-mainstream recently (just look at the rise of 'drug tourism' in SA), helped by ideas like reset.me, and that's precisely because it tends to do the opposite of 'fuck people up' for those that seek it out.
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I see what you mean. But you gotta keep in mind that most of the people on this forum are relatively drug nerds. Relative to the larger population of the drug user community, we are in the top 10% in terms of knowledge on what we are doing. I don't wanna act like I (or "we") are "greater than thou". But the truth is, most of drug using community is incredibly irresponsible and has no clue what they are doing. NOT because they are inherently stupid. But because they don't know any better. Decades of drug prohibition and propoganda have basically made misinformation and cluelessness rampant
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17005931/fpart/1/vc/1
That quote in the thread title is just one example of hundreds of dumb things that I have heard from generally intelligent, well-intentioned drug users.
So when you reference all these people who have benefitted from ayahuasca or DMT...I am skeptical that these benefits would pan out if DMT hit the street to say the least. It takes a certain amount of enthusiasim and interest/curiosity as well as grounded action to take a trip to south america and do aya. Or to make DMT. Most people at my uni prolly think DMT is the exact same as PCP and that if you do it once you will go insane. And it takes millions of dollars of fancy lab equipment to make. And just like that, it takes a certain KIND of person to google "how to make DMT" and read through it. It sounds stupid, but the truth is that 90% of drug users don't even do that. They don't even google the drug they are about to do. Or even skim the wiki. People who have made DMT or aya have basically been required to do a little bit of digging and learning
I mean someone the other day in my extended friend circle found out that I had DMT via convo with a closer friend. "what is it?"-him "its a insanely strong psychedelic drug. blows acid and shrooms out the water"-me. "share some with me. Sell me one of those cigarettes dipped in DMT. Thats how its sold right?"-him. "Thats not how it works lol. Its not PCP"-me. "I don't care just shutup and give me some so I can snort it or whatever" -him "Wait nvm I ran out"-me. "If you have some and you aren't sharing your just a stingy bastard"-him
As you can see, there's a sort of impatience in his voice. He didn't know what it was at all and had 0 information on it. Without even googling it he wanted me to sell him some. suffice to say I just decided I would lie and say I ran out. But this is the average college drug user. Maybe you are out of the loop because I feel people in UK are a tad more cautious, and from your posts you are not in college anymore. Not only am I in college, I am in the US. And on top of that, I am in the smartphone generation where its "GO GO GO!" instead of "Let me try and actually understand what this is about"
I sort of ranted in my post and went off topic. But hopefully the conversation I illustrated gives you insight into the "kind" of person who is the average street drug user. I would not feel safe giving that kid DMT. Not in the slightest. Or xanax. Or really anything but weed and caffiene. There is a certain level of respect that psyches require. And on top of that, DMT requires extra caution. I think if we legalized DMT AND were sure to have an open discussion in the senoir yearish of high school about DMT and psyches in general, things would be great
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
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I do not know if anyone has stated but.... does anyone remember what happened to salvia?? It went mainstream and was CraY
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
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Did you have the phase where all the kids were doing salvia and recording it on YouTube? I know there was a bit of a media wildfire about it but I'd stake my reputation on the fact that there were next to no people who suffered any kind of long term psychological damage.
Some kid wants to bite off more than he can chew? Fuck it, let him, he's just gonna get his ass metaphorically whupped anyway. He'll probably learn some lessons, even if it's just not to take that drug again.
I don't agree with withholding drugs from morons just because they're morons. It's that kind of mollycoddling attitude that's got us in the mess we're in already.
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
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topdog82 said: I see what you mean. But you gotta keep in mind that most of the people on this forum are relatively drug nerds. Relative to the larger population of the drug user community, we are in the top 10% in terms of knowledge on what we are doing. I don't wanna act like I (or "we") are "greater than thou". But the truth is, most of drug using community is incredibly irresponsible and has no clue what they are doing. NOT because they are inherently stupid. But because they don't know any better. Decades of drug prohibition and propoganda have basically made misinformation and cluelessness rampant
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17005931/fpart/1/vc/1
That quote in the thread title is just one example of hundreds of dumb things that I have heard from generally intelligent, well-intentioned drug users.
So when you reference all these people who have benefitted from ayahuasca or DMT...I am skeptical that these benefits would pan out if DMT hit the street to say the least. It takes a certain amount of enthusiasim and interest/curiosity as well as grounded action to take a trip to south america and do aya. Or to make DMT. Most people at my uni prolly think DMT is the exact same as PCP and that if you do it once you will go insane. And it takes millions of dollars of fancy lab equipment to make. And just like that, it takes a certain KIND of person to google "how to make DMT" and read through it. It sounds stupid, but the truth is that 90% of drug users don't even do that. They don't even google the drug they are about to do. Or even skim the wiki. People who have made DMT or aya have basically been required to do a little bit of digging and learning
I mean someone the other day in my extended friend circle found out that I had DMT via convo with a closer friend. "what is it?"-him "its a insanely strong psychedelic drug. blows acid and shrooms out the water"-me. "share some with me. Sell me one of those cigarettes dipped in DMT. Thats how its sold right?"-him. "Thats not how it works lol. Its not PCP"-me. "I don't care just shutup and give me some so I can snort it or whatever" -him "Wait nvm I ran out"-me. "If you have some and you aren't sharing your just a stingy bastard"-him
As you can see, there's a sort of impatience in his voice. He didn't know what it was at all and had 0 information on it. Without even googling it he wanted me to sell him some. suffice to say I just decided I would lie and say I ran out. But this is the average college drug user. Maybe you are out of the loop because I feel people in UK are a tad more cautious, and from your posts you are not in college anymore. Not only am I in college, I am in the US. And on top of that, I am in the smartphone generation where its "GO GO GO!" instead of "Let me try and actually understand what this is about"
I sort of ranted in my post and went off topic. But hopefully the conversation I illustrated gives you insight into the "kind" of person who is the average street drug user. I would not feel safe giving that kid DMT. Not in the slightest. Or xanax. Or really anything but weed and caffiene. There is a certain level of respect that psyches require. And on top of that, DMT requires extra caution. I think if we legalized DMT AND were sure to have an open discussion in the senoir yearish of high school about DMT and psyches in general, things would be great
I like the last part, but that will never happen soon. Good post.
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I assume you are being sarcastic. So with that assumption: salvia is inherently dysphoric for most people I have talked to. Also; Salvia is all "WTF" and very little meaning (for most). I liked it more recently when I smoked 1x leaf. But nothing DMT's level. Hence it never really hit the mainstream. Its completely legal yet I would venture to say the RC scene is far larger than salvia. The salvia market is tiny. Mostly 1-5 time users. Its basically the opposite of pleasnat or addicting (for most)
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Jokeshopbeard said: Did you have the phase where all the kids were doing salvia and recording it on YouTube? I know there was a bit of a media wildfire about it but I'd stake my reputation on the fact that there were next to no people who suffered any kind of long term psychological damage.
Some kid wants to bite off more than he can chew? Fuck it, let him, he's just gonna get his ass metaphorically whupped anyway. He'll probably learn some lessons, even if it's just not to take that drug again.
I don't agree with withholding drugs from morons just because they're morons. It's that kind of mollycoddling attitude that's got us in the mess we're in already.
Lol I wouldn't feel safe doing that. I think that drugs with 0 education or grounded knowledge and tons of propoganda=disaster. I share all my drugs with the inner circle of my friends who actually understand what they are doing
That sort of attitude leads to moments like this. I assume you didn't see this post I made. But I was almost arrested over this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23226888
But I guess at this point in the convo its more my experience against yours
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
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I'm not being sarcastic at all. Are you aware of any people suffering long term effects from Salvia use after the trip has worn off? I had a quick google but couldn't spot anything. Sure it can be a fucking unpleasant trip, I've had a few, but when it's done it's done.
I can see why the post/event you linked to shook you up; cause if anything happened to that dude it would've been on your head cause you supplied him. Simple answer - don't give shit to people you don't know.
And whilst I see why you have reservations, I'm kinda looking at a larger issue here. Imagine if all the heroin users and all the DMT users in the world suddenly swapped their drugs. Do you think we'd see the same kind of harm caused?
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Ok when you put it like that I guess it would be mitigated. I think the intensity of the DMT experience sort of acts as its own regulating agent. I smoked DMT only breifly daily for like 1-2 weeks. But I think if I had kept that up I would have gone insane. And in that sense I guess I wouldn't see the big deal. I guess another example is alcohol. I would not be able to drink mroe than 2 times a week due to its very hangover causing nature
So I guess we can agree on that. But that being said, I feel I don't share your openess to sharing drugs with morons. I am not sharing a single milligram of drug with anyone and I am not wasting a calorie explaining to people shit about drugs. I am personally happy letting people outside my inner circle get them on their own
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The human mind seldom self-traumatizes. Trips tend to only become truly traumatic if they intersect with the outside world in an unfortunate manner of if you are unhealthy mentally to begin with.
Salvia for most is pretty safe if you do nothing stupid
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topdog82 said: I feel I don't share your openess to sharing drugs with morons. I am not sharing a single milligram of drug with anyone and I am not wasting a calorie explaining to people shit about drugs. I am personally happy letting people outside my inner circle get them on their own
Likewise. I think you got the wrong end of the stick. I never suggested I would share MY drugs with morons, I make a strict habit of not doing so. Rather, I believe that drugs should not be withheld from morons, i.e. by scheduling, and then via law enforcement.
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topdog82 said: I feel I don't share your openess to sharing drugs with morons. I am not sharing a single milligram of drug with anyone and I am not wasting a calorie explaining to people shit about drugs. I am personally happy letting people outside my inner circle get them on their own
Likewise. I think you got the wrong end of the stick. I never suggested I would share MY drugs with morons, I make a strict habit of not doing so. Rather, I believe that drugs should not be withheld from morons, i.e. by scheduling, and then via law enforcement.
Ok then we are def on the same page. I think I talked past you or maybe you missed what I was saying
I was basically saying that in th current context, misinformation is rampant and our attitude towards is unhealthy (no fucking duh). Because you just "aren't supposed to do them", the healthy convo that should be happening around it is replaced with misinformation, "I heard that DMT makes you eat people's faces" type statements, and a fuckton of overdoses. Hence resulting in the distaster we have today
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
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I think the point I'm driving at here, in regards to OP, is that IMO DMT would likely never become mainstream due to the sheer intensity of it and the fact that it is not an 'easy' drug (like say, a fat line of coke or a bottle of wine). If there's one thing you can count on, it's that humans are inherently lazy.
I do however firmly believe it should be available to everyone to experience. It would self regulate IMO due to the fact that most people wouldn't be able to handle it, but I do not believe they would come away from the experience any worse off for it either. It's not inherently toxic or dangerous like the GHB you brought up earlier. It's not addictive. It's effects, when smoked, are too short lived for people to start driving on it. As Asante said, it's extremely unlikely to cause lasting psychological harm.
I can't see a single bad reason to have it freely available, personally.
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DMT gives some people heart problems which can lead to cardiac arrest (5-meo-DMT even more so). Also i think smoked DMT is more likely than other psychs to trigger mental problems because of the sudden onset. I cant provide studies to back up either of these claims so i might be wrong.
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There are no reported deaths from smoking DMT
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cardiac arrest apparently occured on 30mg iv DMT. Fortunately they managed to revive the girl but without medical attention she probably wouldve died. Ive read this in an old nexus thread (69ron was still around) but cant find it anymore
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OK, so 1 person nearly died.
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Should of given her another dose. That would of sorted her out, probably.
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15mg orally after taking an MAOI nearly blew my fucking brains out. I cannot imagine 40mg IV.
There's always gonna be some dick who pushes it too far. I recall a couple of guys who died a while back after ingesting several hundred mg caffeine...
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Just from several hundred milligrams? A cup of coffee can have 100 milligrams of caffeine, so that's the kind of dose you would get from drinking several cups of coffee.
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: psi]
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Freely available when it's legal is fine, but not as it currently stands.
I have often said that everyone should have a DMT experience. It should be our society's right of passage, but it needs to be legal first.
I agree that most people will be turned off by the intensity of the experience, but this is more reason to be careful. If enough people came out and said DMT was a scary drug with the power to strike fear into your heart, then maybe the people in charge would heed their warnings before our praise.
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There's always gonna be some dick who pushes it too far. I recall a couple of guys who died a while back after ingesting several hundred mg caffeine...
I did 40mg orally with rue seeds extracted with 190 proof alcohol, had a pretty decent light(ish) trip.
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The times i have done pharma i usually use 1mg of DMT per body pound. I weigh 180 so i do 180mg. This is an incredible experience though and not for the faint of heart. I usually stick to 100mg nowadays when i feel the urge to do it, which is not often.
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OMG! That would be a TRIP! I also used the yellowish extract with the rue seed alcohol extract. One has to time it just right I think, and also fasting is paramount, not 24 hours but a good 4-6 hours with a light good meal beforehand is fine. I would say a light meal that morning, or a lunch, depending on when one wants to take the journey (morning, eve, or night). I'll do some experimenting with my new extract over the next few months, I also have a partner to journey with, YAY!
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I use extracted DMT, and syrian rue tea. I mix my spice in with a shot glass of lemon juice to acidify the DMT and while it sits i drink half a glass of rue tea made with 5 or so grams of rue. Then i wait 15 minutes and pour the DMT/lemon shot into the rest of my tea and drink it down. Tastes awful but there is very little nausea.
I have a buddy that bakes pharma edibles. They taste like shit but hit really strong. More of a novel thing for sure.
Again this method makes for an incredible experience but it is just the way I choose to do it. Anyone else should work their way up to higher doses and not think that i am giving dosage advice or advocating doing 180mg as a 1st time dose.
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I use capsules, seems to work great. I'm not giving dosage advice either. (don't do as I do/write here people)
Taking at the same time might work better, IDK. I do poke a hole in the capsules so they dissolve quicker though.
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One really important part is the acidification of the DMT. Salting it really helps with your body's ability to uptake. Even if you use capsules i would still recommend mixing the dmt in lemon juice and taking the shot that way.
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I did it with O.J. seemed to work ok, I have stomach issues with acidity. Maybe a famatodine or ranitodine tablet a couple hours beforehand?
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How long does a pharmahuasca trip last you guys? About the same as a psilocybin trip? Is it comparable to a psilocybin trip?
I've only ever smoked it myself. I've smoked quite a lot of it, never delved into maoi mixes though.
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Same duration as a mushroom experience but it has the potential to be much stronger than mushrooms.
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ummm, I remember it lasting 2-4 hours, dropped off really quickly once the decline was noticed.
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There's always gonna be some dick who pushes it too far. I recall a couple of guys who died a while back after ingesting several hundred mg caffeine...
I did 40mg orally with rue seeds extracted with 190 proof alcohol, had a pretty decent light(ish) trip.
40mg iv is equivalent to smoking aprox. 150mg and it hits you instantly.
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OMG! I don't think I would IV DMT. I wouldn't IV anything these days. I have had my experiences with that and do not want to go there again. Orally or smoked for me. I am about to turn on a friend who has been asking about it when the subject of drugs comes up. He is very excited, told him Saturday night I am close to obtaining it, LOL.
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
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Due to the short duration and less tolerance, DMT would be much easier to do regularly than LSD.
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: Moonshoe]
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I just heard that the new Key and Peele movie "Keanu" that has a super drug called "Holy Shit!". In the movie, they say its a three-part combo of PCP, DMT, and XTC.
Some might say DMT kinda went mainstream in pop culture
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Being honest DMT kinda scrares me to try.. Scared it'll make me insane. Or maybe it will make me sane who knows!
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DMT is for the only most hardcore of tripper.
Not for the faint of heart!
Which is precisely why it wont be mainstream like cigarettes or alcohol or weed. Those are cake walks compared to the insane intensity of DMT.
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It takes me months to work up to a DMT trip, and I trip frequently. I tend to turn to it these days only when I need guidance, cause it tends to give it to me, whether I like it or not (I always do though).
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DMT kind of is mainstream in this town
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If you're a 16-40 something in the area you're probably familiar with it. The whole town has been inundated by hippies and their kids for the last 50~ years
I mean the main square in the town is named after Ken Kesey... so I'm sure you know where I mean
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That makes a lot of sense now.
Im curious of this town now. Is it a small town or a city? Thats cool they named the square after Ken Kesey. Very cool.
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S'pose I don't really care if people know the general area in which I live 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene,_Oregon
Approx 300k people in the vicinity - but it really doesn't feel like it, the infrastructure is so well set up in the town it's very rare to get held up by anything.
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@twighead: what town if you are comfortbale sharing? Thats interesting
@moon: Thats honestly why I may just switch mostly to DMT. I am so damn busy these days that I can afford to take a day or two off. Tripping cid saturday morning sometimes makes me feel out of it for 1-3 days. Not in an unhealthy sense. But in a spiritual sense I think. DMT and tryptamines/shrooms drain me less. I used to wakeup at 6-7am, take a dump, eat shrooms, and get showered and dressed. By then I would be tripping. I would go to the park, then come back to my dorm room and head to class at 1pm. I cant do that with cid. And DMT I could stick to low 10mg doses weekly. Less of an "obligation" or "commitment"
@jokeshopbeard: would you feel the same way about L? You sort of illustrated that DMT/salvia wouldn't ruin too many lives if popularized. I can personally say that I know a dude who is sort of psychotic. Acid def isn't helping him. He used to be a close friend but he is getting more and more removed from reality. Part of me is pretty sure he would be delusional/pscyhotic/schizo whether he did L or not. but the L was sort of a catalyst that sped it all upQuote:
twighead said: S'pose I don't really care if people know the general area in which I live 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene,_Oregon
Approx 300k people in the vicinity - but it really doesn't feel like it, the infrastructure is so well set up in the town it's very rare to get held up by anything.
ahhhh I have a few friends in that area. Very hippie vibe. I assume molly and L flow like water? I was considering moving to washington/oregon when I graduate
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With the caveat that those 'predisposed to mental illness' should avoid them.
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I don't even know how people I come across are managing to sell ounces of DMT in the town - I mean it doesn't seem like a thing for repeat customers 
I always saw MDxx molecules and things like ketamine as the more continually sellable droogs but indeed the acid and psyches doth quite continually flow as well... I rarely personally bother with the offerings though - generally it works quite well to stock up on the natural offerings every fall, and there isn't anything quite as enjoyable as the venerable azurescen.. or cyan for that matter That said, I do love all the fancy preparations I've never quite been around, dem honey gel tabs... 
I love it here though, I've been in Oregon for some years now - only 9~ months in Eug area - but this is my favorite place to live so far - just the right mix of everything, more grounded than Ashland - as well as cheaper and more interesting work available. Portland is just too nuts Seattle is insane, and I love it as well, but it doesn't bode well for anyone making less than 80k a year
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: twighead]
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See either LSD or MDMA you simply cant do daily because tolerance rapidly makes it stop working.
For the most part, you easily COULD do DMT daily. For most people it wont stop working if you do it once a day.
I am very hesitant to trip period, and I use DMT once every few months at most. But I would be far more hesitant to take mushrooms for example- locking in for a six hour trip with potential for strong body load and nausea is a much more daunting prospect than a 10-15 minute nausea free trip.
Also, I have had many scary/unpleasant experiences on mushrooms (bad trips) but have yet to have one on DMT. No anxiety at all really with DMT IME.
But I can only imagine a bad DMT trip would be a special kind of awful.
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Yeah - MDMA just sells well because it's the sort of thing if there's going to be a show.. a weekly sort of thing, tons of people will be wanting it 
As far as psyches, while I do love them - I love dissocs more at this point; many many psych trips later - I still feel psychedelics as somewhat socially uncomfortable and the body high to oft be restless in any doses above say a gramme. Now mixed in with mxe or something similar, they team up, all of the negatives are erased and reality is foooking awesome in every way
Psyches when I'm working on creative stuff is a strange double edged sword - the ideas and execution is great, but I have no motivation to create art or music, it seems so sadly meaningless to me like I'm on some stupid infinite stream that doesn't give a fuck about genuine creation So for that - dissocs are my go to again Dat motivation + creativity.
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Theres people on the nexus who say they smoke changa daily and talk about having smoked DMT at least 1000+ times. I guess you can get used to everything
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holy fuck. I am eager to make an account there now lol. 1000 times would be about once a day for 2-3 years. Thats insane. I wonder if they show sings of mental illness. The only time I have seen psychedelic use causing illness is if theres already mental health issues present. But 1000 times? I wonder if they could drop acid and just be bored at that point?
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
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I went through a two year or so period where i was near a daily user. I have consumed DMT in every way imaginable except for IV and i still get the pre flight gitters. I definitely don't think you can get brain damage from it if you have pre existing mental health issues or depression it can definitely be risky to use, though.
Anyone who wants to smoke DMT should simply look into extraction. It is extremely simple and you'll get enough to last a near lifetime.
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
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natedawgnow said: I went through a two year or so period where i was near a daily user. I have consumed DMT in every way imaginable except for IV and i still get the pre flight gitters. I definitely don't think you can get brain damage from it if you have pre existing mental health issues or depression it can definitely be risky to use, though.
Anyone who wants to smoke DMT should simply look into extraction. It is extremely simple and you'll get enough to last a near lifetime.
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natedawgnow said: I went through a two year or so period where i was near a daily user. I have consumed DMT in every way imaginable except for IV and i still get the pre flight gitters. I definitely don't think you can get brain damage from it if you have pre existing mental health issues or depression it can definitely be risky to use, though.
Anyone who wants to smoke DMT should simply look into extraction. It is extremely simple and you'll get enough to last a near lifetime.
I mean in the classic "neurotoxicity" context, I doubt that DMT can cause that. The classic psyches don't do this
But in the context of mental health issues? 1000 times? Fuck. I mean I have tripped quite a bit but nothing compared to the other posters here. There are people who have eaten 100+ hits and still have high energy and are functional. So I was sort of just asking myself how deep can one go down the rabbit hole and not come back. I feel that I am yet to actually meet someone who is batshit insane from psyches
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
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The biggest chance of getting permanently fucked is probably pharmahuasca with a heroic dose of both harmalas and DMT. 1 - 2 hours (or even longer) in dmtspace is no joke. This would probably be heavy on the body aswell. I dont recommend and wont ever attempt.
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Some shamans in the Amazon are known to add nicotiana rustica and deliriants such as Brugmansia and nightshade into their ayahuasca brews
What a brutally intense trip that would be
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: OhMrJohnson]
#23546498 - 08/16/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The ayahuasca/pharmahuasca realm is notably different from smoked DMT and as previously stated i've done some high doses. It is more like a really intense mushroom experience, but is it full blown DMT breakthrough for 4 hours? Not in my experience.
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
#23546946 - 08/16/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had a 2-3 hour experience the first time I tried the "pharmahuasca" way of doing it (syrian rue and mhrb crude extract with everclear, just the bark and seeds, no stb or a/b extraction 8 grams of bark, 3 g of rue seeds, I got ALL the alkaloids from the bark and maybe that is why it was a VERY strong trip ). It was a VERY intense and scared me when it hit, and for the first few minutes I was incapacitated on my bed, but then I just let go and it was an astounding trip. I will repeat one day. This was back in 2005. I tried it again in 2012 but it was not as strong and I had trepidation with my dose. I used 40mg of extracted yellowish DMT I made myself. I will try 50 next.
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Don't get me wrong, i have had exceptional experiences with pharma, i'm just saying that nothing compares to the full blown freebase experience. I firmly believe that dmt has an infinitely expanding effect spectrum.
Even if you think you have experience the most ridiculous breakthrough you could possibly imagine, i guarantee you there is another level even more profound and mind blowing than that one just waiting to be experienced by you
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I like LSD but I'm not really a big fan of DMT. If you gave me some for free I guess I would do it but I would never go out of my way to get it. Like others have alluded to, I am at the point with these drugs that I am purely in it for the recreation and DMT isn't all that recreational IME
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
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natedawgnow said: Don't get me wrong, i have had exceptional experiences with pharma, i'm just saying that nothing compares to the full blown freebase experience. I firmly believe that dmt has an infinitely expanding effect spectrum.
Even if you think you have experience the most ridiculous breakthrough you could possibly imagine, i guarantee you there is another level even more profound and mind blowing than that one just waiting to be experienced by you
Curious; after experience the DMT headspace you said that you still get pre flight jitters etc.
Do you feel "at home" on acid? I mean to me, DMT hit me pretty hard. I figure you get little psychological effects from acid? No matter how many times I trip, I get that "WTFFFFF" effect from acid. Even nowdays I would say I am more experienced. and I never am underwhlemed. Could you take 1 hit of acid and just not feel impressed? I am sorry if the questions are annoying, i am just genuinly curious
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Why would I get little psychological effects from acid? DMT doesn't ruin your ability to trip on other drugs or anything. I don't personally eat acid anymore because I prefer mushrooms and DMT, and other reasons associated with dealers of acid. But I still trip on other psychs when I eat them.
DMT isn't the end all of psychedelic exploration. It is a VERY powerful molecule but it doesn't dampen your ability to enjoy other substances.
I have had 1 hit wonder acid for sure though
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
#23548413 - 08/16/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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fasho that answered my quesiton. A few people on here who have dropped insane amounts of acid basically have said that they just take tabs can go on with life. Obviously the tabs take effect, but they basically do the basic things they would normally do. Read, watch TV etc. Little to no mind melting effects
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
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natedawgnow said: The ayahuasca/pharmahuasca realm is notably different from smoked DMT and as previously stated i've done some high doses. It is more like a really intense mushroom experience, but is it full blown DMT breakthrough for 4 hours? Not in my experience.
Ive never tried it but theres definitely reports of it.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49110
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Didn't read all the thread... But...
I feel like for Psychedelics in general to become mainstream at all we'd have to have the full range of Psychedelics available
Like people said, LSD is more recreational than DMT. Maybe mescaline and 2CB and stuff like that is even more recreational. MDMA, obviously, is more recreational than all of them.
I feel like we'd have a good shot at making Psychedelics in general mainstream if we could get the easier stuff available first. Full legalization of Cannabis would be the obvious first step.
MAPS seems to be having better progress getting recognized legitimate use of MDMA than other Psychedelics. That's really just because MDMA is easy, and people who have PTSD or severe Psychological trauma can do MDMA, get through it without freaking out, and heal themselves. Obviously someone with PTSD or rape victims could easily have a terrible experience on LSD or DMT. Then after doing MDMA several times, maybe they could eventually move on to taking "real" Psychedelics after getting through the healing that MDMA gave them.
Cannabis becoming fully legal would get society closer to embracing Psychedelics because Cannabis is somewhat Psychedelic itself. Just very soft as far as its' Psychedelic effects go and very good for recreational use. It also has a lot of obvious legitimate medical benefits to help push it towards legality quickly.
If Cannabis were fully legal I feel like most normal people, if everybody just started smoking pot regularly instead of drinking alcohol, would be wayyy more comfortable with the idea of taking a Psychedelic. I mean, how many people's minds were opened up to the possibility of taking a Psychedelic after discovering the amazing benefits of Cannabis, and how many lies they had been told all their lives about it. I know that's how it was for me.
So if basically everyone was smoking Cannabis because it was legal and perfectly normal, that would open many people up to the possibility of using Psychedelics. Then what... They could do 2CB? Mescaline? LSD? Then maybe DMT? And people suffering from very deep Psychological scars, after doing MDMA enough times, could get to the point where they could take powerful Psychedelics. And not have to take MDMA anymore.
I feel like if we had the full range of substances available, DMT could become mainstream. I was doing DMT every day at one point for a while. And I felt comfortable... Well... Not comfortable with it. But comfortable enough to where I could do it every night, and I could smoke Changa with other people recreationally.
So yeah I think it could. But damn I think people would have to work up to it. Even going straight from weed to LSD is a huge jump. I wouldn't feel completely confident in giving DMT to someone whose only previous drug experience was Cannabis or MDMA. If Psychedelics in general were mainstream, and accepted, I feel like DMT could be too. But it would be like the last step.
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natedawgnow said: The ayahuasca/pharmahuasca realm is notably different from smoked DMT and as previously stated i've done some high doses. It is more like a really intense mushroom experience, but is it full blown DMT breakthrough for 4 hours? Not in my experience.
Ive never tried it but theres definitely reports of it.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49110
My roommate once had a pharma experience that he claimed he wouldn't wish on his worst enemy, too which is funny. But that link tells me that they have simply never had the true bell ringer breakthrough freebase DMT is capable of
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
#23551386 - 08/17/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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what if one takes a significant maoi dose and then does a sizable amount of DMT (that would normally send him to absolute jub-jub alien breakthrough land without the maoi) along with that maoi?
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
#23551844 - 08/17/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maoi makes the smoked DMT trip last a significantly longer amount of time and it is stronger. I sometimes smoke it on top of passion flower which makes for a nice experience.
I have had some of my most ridiculous trips mixing smoked DMT and syrian rue tea. This type of experience is not for the faint of heart. It has seriously stricken me with fear on a few occasions.
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
#23551851 - 08/18/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wonder if you could just breakthrough and go in and out of the breakthrough headspace on a maoi while charging yourself up with bowls of dmt? I may just do that over pharmausca
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
#23551867 - 08/18/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mate, try pharmausca first. It'll blow your head off.
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Pharmahuasca is an amazing experience but you can definitely prolongue a smoked DMT experience by taking an maoi 30 or so minutes before hand. That shit can get real crazy real fast.
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
#23551988 - 08/18/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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haha first i need to do another extraction. I am travelling atm. But I will when I get back to the home states
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
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It would be awesome but I'm not sure it would happen. I've turned several people on to it and I don't think any of them brokethough. I wasn't there to do it with them but gave them very detailed instructions on how to use it. It seems like right now it's mostly for people really into psychedelics.
It's the one thing that really changed the way I thought about everything. No psychedelics did that for me until a DMT breakthrough. Not that LSD and mushrooms didn't help before but DMT was just something else.
I'm thinking of using my last bit to try pharmahuasca. I'm just worried it will destroy my digestive system
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