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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
    #23546050 - 08/16/16 05:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I went through a two year or so period where i was near a daily user. I
have consumed DMT in every way imaginable except for IV and i still get the
pre flight gitters. I definitely don't think you can get brain damage from it :lol: if you have pre existing mental health issues or depression it
can definitely be risky to use, though.

Anyone who wants to smoke DMT should simply look into extraction. It is
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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23546273 - 08/16/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
I went through a two year or so period where i was near a daily user. I
have consumed DMT in every way imaginable except for IV and i still get the
pre flight gitters. I definitely don't think you can get brain damage from it :lol: if you have pre existing mental health issues or depression it
can definitely be risky to use, though.

Anyone who wants to smoke DMT should simply look into extraction. It is
extremely simple and you'll get enough to last a near lifetime.



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natedawgnow said:
I went through a two year or so period where i was near a daily user. I
have consumed DMT in every way imaginable except for IV and i still get the
pre flight gitters. I definitely don't think you can get brain damage from it :lol: if you have pre existing mental health issues or depression it
can definitely be risky to use, though.

Anyone who wants to smoke DMT should simply look into extraction. It is
extremely simple and you'll get enough to last a near lifetime.



I mean in the classic "neurotoxicity" context, I doubt that DMT can cause that. The classic psyches don't do this

But in the context of mental health issues? 1000 times? Fuck. I mean I have tripped quite a bit but nothing compared to the other posters here. There are people who have eaten 100+ hits and still have high energy and are functional. So I was sort of just asking myself how deep can one go down the rabbit hole and not come back. I feel that I am yet to actually meet someone who is batshit insane from psyches


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
    #23546323 - 08/16/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The biggest chance of getting permanently fucked is probably pharmahuasca with a heroic dose of both harmalas and DMT. 1 - 2 hours (or even longer) in dmtspace is no joke. This would probably be heavy on the body aswell. I dont recommend and wont ever attempt.


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23546429 - 08/16/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Some shamans in the Amazon are known to add nicotiana rustica and deliriants such as Brugmansia and nightshade into their ayahuasca brews

What a brutally intense trip that would be


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #23546498 - 08/16/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The ayahuasca/pharmahuasca realm is notably different from smoked DMT and
as previously stated i've done some high doses. It is more like a really
intense mushroom experience, but is it full blown DMT breakthrough for 4 hours? Not in my experience.


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23546946 - 08/16/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I had a 2-3 hour experience the first time I tried the "pharmahuasca" way of doing it (syrian rue and mhrb crude extract with everclear, just the bark and seeds, no stb or a/b extraction 8 grams of bark, 3 g of rue seeds, I got ALL the alkaloids from the bark and maybe that is why it was a VERY strong trip:shrug:). It was a VERY intense and scared me when it hit, and for the first few minutes I was incapacitated on my bed, but then I just let go and it was an astounding trip. I will repeat one day. This was back in 2005. I tried it again in 2012 but it was not as strong and I had trepidation with my dose. I used 40mg of extracted yellowish DMT I made myself. I will try 50 next.


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23547082 - 08/16/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Don't get me wrong, i have had exceptional experiences with pharma, i'm just
saying that nothing compares to the full blown freebase experience. I
firmly believe that dmt has an infinitely expanding effect spectrum.

Even if you think you have experience the most ridiculous breakthrough you could
possibly imagine, i guarantee you there is another level even more profound and mind blowing than that one just waiting to be experienced by you


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #23547113 - 08/16/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Spirit molecule was on netflix. Anybody I know who likes lsd also likes dmt. It is mainstream and, I would argue, easier to obtain than lsd.



I like LSD but I'm not really a big fan of DMT. If you gave me some for free I guess I would do it but I would never go out of my way to get it. Like others have alluded to, I am at the point with these drugs that I am purely in it for the recreation and DMT isn't all that recreational IME


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23548249 - 08/16/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
Don't get me wrong, i have had exceptional experiences with pharma, i'm just
saying that nothing compares to the full blown freebase experience. I
firmly believe that dmt has an infinitely expanding effect spectrum.

Even if you think you have experience the most ridiculous breakthrough you could
possibly imagine, i guarantee you there is another level even more profound and mind blowing than that one just waiting to be experienced by you



Curious; after experience the DMT headspace you said that you still get pre flight jitters etc.

Do you feel "at home" on acid? I mean to me, DMT hit me pretty hard. I figure you get little psychological effects from acid? No matter how many times I trip, I get that "WTFFFFF" effect from acid. Even nowdays I would say I am more experienced. and I never am underwhlemed. Could you take 1 hit of acid and just not feel impressed? I am sorry if the questions are annoying, i am just genuinly curious


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82] * 1
    #23548279 - 08/16/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Why would I get little psychological effects from acid? DMT doesn't ruin
your ability to trip on other drugs or anything. I don't personally eat
acid anymore because I prefer mushrooms and DMT, and other reasons associated
with dealers of acid.  But I still trip on other psychs when I eat them.

DMT isn't the end all of psychedelic exploration. It is a VERY powerful
molecule but it doesn't dampen your ability to enjoy other substances.

I have had 1 hit wonder acid for sure though


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23548413 - 08/16/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

fasho that answered my quesiton. A few people on here who have dropped insane amounts of acid basically have said that they just take tabs can go on with life. Obviously the tabs take effect, but they basically do the basic things they would normally do. Read, watch TV etc. Little to no mind melting effects


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23548742 - 08/17/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
The ayahuasca/pharmahuasca realm is notably different from smoked DMT and
as previously stated i've done some high doses. It is more like a really
intense mushroom experience, but is it full blown DMT breakthrough for 4 hours? Not in my experience.




Ive never tried it but theres definitely reports of it.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49110


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23548829 - 08/17/16 02:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Didn't read all the thread... But...

I feel like for Psychedelics in general to become mainstream at all we'd have to have the full range of Psychedelics available

Like people said, LSD is more recreational than DMT. Maybe mescaline and 2CB and stuff like that is even more recreational. MDMA, obviously, is more recreational than all of them.

I feel like we'd have a good shot at making Psychedelics in general mainstream if we could get the easier stuff available first. Full legalization of Cannabis would be the obvious first step.

MAPS seems to be having better progress getting recognized legitimate use of MDMA than other Psychedelics. That's really just because MDMA is easy, and people who have PTSD or severe Psychological trauma can do MDMA, get through it without freaking out, and heal themselves. Obviously someone with PTSD or rape victims could easily have a terrible experience on LSD or DMT. Then after doing MDMA several times, maybe they could eventually move on to taking "real" Psychedelics after getting through the healing that MDMA gave them.

Cannabis becoming fully legal would get society closer to embracing Psychedelics because Cannabis is somewhat Psychedelic itself. Just very soft as far as its' Psychedelic effects go and very good for recreational use. It also has a lot of obvious legitimate medical benefits to help push it towards legality quickly.

If Cannabis were fully legal I feel like most normal people, if everybody just started smoking pot regularly instead of drinking alcohol, would be wayyy more comfortable with the idea of taking a Psychedelic. I mean, how many people's minds were opened up to the possibility of taking a Psychedelic after discovering the amazing benefits of Cannabis, and how many lies they had been told all their lives about it. I know that's how it was for me.

So if basically everyone was smoking Cannabis because it was legal and perfectly normal, that would open many people up to the possibility of using Psychedelics. Then what... They could do 2CB? Mescaline? LSD? Then maybe DMT?
And people suffering from very deep Psychological scars, after doing MDMA enough times, could get to the point where they could take powerful Psychedelics. And not have to take MDMA anymore.

I feel like if we had the full range of substances available, DMT could become mainstream. I was doing DMT every day at one point for a while. And I felt comfortable... Well... Not comfortable with it. But comfortable enough to where I could do it every night, and I could smoke Changa with other people recreationally.

So yeah I think it could. But damn I think people would have to work up to it. Even going straight from weed to LSD is a huge jump. I wouldn't feel completely confident in giving DMT to someone whose only previous drug experience was Cannabis or MDMA.
If Psychedelics in general were mainstream, and accepted, I feel like DMT could be too. But it would be like the last step.


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23549216 - 08/17/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
The ayahuasca/pharmahuasca realm is notably different from smoked DMT and
as previously stated i've done some high doses. It is more like a really
intense mushroom experience, but is it full blown DMT breakthrough for 4 hours? Not in my experience.




Ive never tried it but theres definitely reports of it.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49110




My roommate once had a pharma experience that he claimed he wouldn't wish
on his worst enemy, too which is funny. But that link tells me that they
have simply never had the true bell ringer breakthrough freebase DMT is
capable of :shrug:


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23551386 - 08/17/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

what if one takes a significant maoi dose and then does a sizable amount of DMT (that would normally send him to absolute jub-jub alien breakthrough land without the maoi) along with that maoi?


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
    #23551844 - 08/17/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Maoi makes the smoked DMT trip last a significantly longer amount of time and it is
stronger. I sometimes smoke it on top of passion flower which makes for a
nice experience.

I have had some of my most ridiculous trips mixing smoked DMT and syrian rue tea.
This type of experience is not for the faint of heart. It has seriously
stricken me with fear on a few occasions.


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23551851 - 08/18/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder if you could just breakthrough and go in and out of the breakthrough headspace on a maoi while charging yourself up with bowls of dmt? I may just do that over pharmausca


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
    #23551867 - 08/18/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Mate, try pharmausca first. It'll blow your head off.


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23551875 - 08/18/16 12:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Pharmahuasca is an amazing experience but you can definitely prolongue a
smoked DMT experience by taking an maoi 30 or so minutes before hand. That
shit can get real crazy real fast.


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23551988 - 08/18/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

haha first i need to do another extraction. I am travelling atm. But I will when I get back to the home states


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