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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #23531415 - 08/11/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dmt needs to stay off public radar so my bark prices don't go up. I've
been extracting and using dmt for years and back when i started, a kilo
of powdered mhrb was 50 bucks to 75. Now a kilo of powdered can go as
high as 200+.

DMT does not need to be mainstream for all to enjoy it. Anyone can look up
an extraction online and buy bark and give it away, it's that easy to make.

But if bark becomes increasingly hard to acquire due to new laws and regulations, then what are we to do?

I would hate for DMT to reach LSD style social awareness. In my opinion, the
only thing true mainstreaming would do is besmirch DMT's beautiful reputation and good name :shrug:


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23531434 - 08/11/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

DMT has the potential to become mainstream.

In the health food circles, tryptophan is a very big thing, its being sold in tonnage quantities to the general public worldwide. Tryptophan can be converted to tryptamine and then to DMT with basic chemistry.

Plants cannot do it, not make it mainstream.

Chemistry can.

You can cook DMT in the kitchen by the kilo with some lab equipment and reagents.


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: Asante]
    #23531447 - 08/11/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes but let's not.

At least not until it is legal. Again, the only thing that could come from this is law enforcement criminalizing DMT and it's users and
comparing it to crack or speed.

Did anyone see key and peele's movie Keanu?

The drug in that movie was called Holy Shit and was a mixture of pcp,
molly, and DMT. Now that is just upsetting that DMT is being compared to
pcp and molly. This is what I mean. Mainstream just means more misinformation about an absolutely beautiful molecule.


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23531459 - 08/11/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Seems like a lot more people have learned of DMT in the last 8 years. Popularity in America has definitely spiked.


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: ak47myth]
    #23531471 - 08/11/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I rather have people cook DMT than meth.

Tryptophan gives you the tryptamine.
Methanol gives you the dimethyl.

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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: Asante]
    #23531520 - 08/11/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Look, I completely understand the awesomeness of DMT.

Like I said, I have been a user and extractor for years, but if mainstream
society has taught me anything, it's that people are really good at
ruining a good thing and giving it a bad name.

Some people out there still think weed is as bad as crack and its spot
on the scheduled narcotics list reflects that. Weed is just now being
treated differently. Imagine what they would do to DMT If people started
mass producing it in labs before it is legal. Just sayin.. careful what
you wish for.

I can see headlines now:
"Breaking news on the new drug craze that is sweeping the nation and
swindling your youth into becoming ne'er do wells who no longer wish
to participate in society the way we have programmed them to for centuries and what you can do to stop it!"

Some people still think LSD rots your mind, a fine example of misinformation spread by
members of mainstream society.


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23533100 - 08/11/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

@natedawgnow:
I like your sig. solid quote

Also; I sort of agree. Esp with the last line of your post. I think the bark prices would go up, and we would here a lot about bad trips more than the good ones. DMT is a very powerful molecule, and without the right information and education, it has the potential to fuck a lot of people up


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
    #23533162 - 08/11/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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it has the potential to fuck a lot of people up



Not sure if I agree with you here TD. With the exception of people predisposed to mental illness, I don't think it would 'fuck a lot of people up'. A lot of people (probably those that feel they always need to be in control) would probably get shit scared doing it, but alongside that I'm sure it would be beneficial for many.

If you wanna talk about things that 'fuck people up', look at stims, opiates and alcohol.

There's a reason DMT has gone semi-mainstream recently (just look at the rise of 'drug tourism' in SA), helped by ideas like reset.me, and that's precisely because it tends to do the opposite of 'fuck people up' for those that seek it out.


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23533337 - 08/11/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I see what you mean. But you gotta keep in mind that most of the people on this forum are relatively drug nerds. Relative to the larger population of the drug user community, we are in the top 10% in terms of knowledge on what we are doing. I don't wanna act like I (or "we") are "greater than thou". But the truth is, most of drug using community is incredibly irresponsible and has no clue what they are doing. NOT because they are inherently stupid. But because they don't know any better. Decades of drug prohibition and propoganda have basically made misinformation and cluelessness rampant

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17005931/fpart/1/vc/1

That quote in the thread title is just one example of hundreds of dumb things that I have heard from generally intelligent, well-intentioned drug users.

So when you reference all these people who have benefitted from ayahuasca or DMT...I am skeptical that these benefits would pan out if DMT hit the street to say the least. It takes a certain amount of enthusiasim and interest/curiosity as well as grounded action to take a trip to south america and do aya. Or to make DMT. Most people at my uni prolly think DMT is the exact same as PCP and that if you do it once you will go insane. And it takes millions of dollars of fancy lab equipment to make. And just like that, it takes a certain KIND of person to google "how to make DMT" and read through it. It sounds stupid, but the truth is that 90% of drug users don't even do that. They don't even google the drug they are about to do. Or even skim the wiki. People who have made DMT or aya have basically been required to do a little bit of digging and learning

I mean someone the other day in my extended friend circle found out that I had DMT via convo with a closer friend. "what is it?"-him "its a insanely strong psychedelic drug. blows acid and shrooms out the water"-me. "share some with me. Sell me one of those cigarettes dipped in DMT. Thats how its sold right?"-him. "Thats not how it works lol. Its not PCP"-me. "I don't care just shutup and give me some so I can snort it or whatever" -him "Wait nvm I ran out"-me. "If you have some and you aren't sharing your just a stingy bastard"-him

As you can see, there's a sort of impatience in his voice. He didn't know what it was at all and had 0 information on it. Without even googling it he wanted me to sell him some. suffice to say I just decided I would lie and say I ran out. But this is the average college drug user. Maybe you are out of the loop because I feel people in UK are a tad more cautious, and from your posts you are not in college anymore. Not only am I in college, I am in the US. And on top of that, I am in the smartphone generation where its "GO GO GO!" instead of "Let me try and actually understand what this is about"

I sort of ranted in my post and went off topic. But hopefully the conversation I illustrated gives you insight into the "kind" of person who is the average street drug user. I would not feel safe giving that kid DMT. Not in the slightest. Or xanax. Or really anything but weed and caffiene. There is a certain level of respect that psyches require. And on top of that, DMT requires extra caution. I think if we legalized DMT AND were sure to have an open discussion in the senoir yearish of high school about DMT and psyches in general, things would be great


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
    #23533352 - 08/11/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I do not know if anyone has stated but.... does anyone remember what happened to salvia?? It went mainstream and was CraY


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
    #23533354 - 08/11/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Did you have the phase where all the kids were doing salvia and recording it on YouTube? I know there was a bit of a media wildfire about it but I'd stake my reputation on the fact that there were next to no people who suffered any kind of long term psychological damage.

Some kid wants to bite off more than he can chew? Fuck it, let him, he's just gonna get his ass metaphorically whupped anyway. He'll probably learn some lessons, even if it's just not to take that drug again.

I don't agree with withholding drugs from morons just because they're morons. It's that kind of mollycoddling attitude that's got us in the mess we're in already.


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23533358 - 08/11/16 11:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Beat me to it.


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
    #23533361 - 08/11/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I see what you mean. But you gotta keep in mind that most of the people on this forum are relatively drug nerds. Relative to the larger population of the drug user community, we are in the top 10% in terms of knowledge on what we are doing. I don't wanna act like I (or "we") are "greater than thou". But the truth is, most of drug using community is incredibly irresponsible and has no clue what they are doing. NOT because they are inherently stupid. But because they don't know any better. Decades of drug prohibition and propoganda have basically made misinformation and cluelessness rampant

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17005931/fpart/1/vc/1

That quote in the thread title is just one example of hundreds of dumb things that I have heard from generally intelligent, well-intentioned drug users.

So when you reference all these people who have benefitted from ayahuasca or DMT...I am skeptical that these benefits would pan out if DMT hit the street to say the least. It takes a certain amount of enthusiasim and interest/curiosity as well as grounded action to take a trip to south america and do aya. Or to make DMT. Most people at my uni prolly think DMT is the exact same as PCP and that if you do it once you will go insane. And it takes millions of dollars of fancy lab equipment to make. And just like that, it takes a certain KIND of person to google "how to make DMT" and read through it. It sounds stupid, but the truth is that 90% of drug users don't even do that. They don't even google the drug they are about to do. Or even skim the wiki. People who have made DMT or aya have basically been required to do a little bit of digging and learning

I mean someone the other day in my extended friend circle found out that I had DMT via convo with a closer friend. "what is it?"-him "its a insanely strong psychedelic drug. blows acid and shrooms out the water"-me. "share some with me. Sell me one of those cigarettes dipped in DMT. Thats how its sold right?"-him. "Thats not how it works lol. Its not PCP"-me. "I don't care just shutup and give me some so I can snort it or whatever" -him "Wait nvm I ran out"-me. "If you have some and you aren't sharing your just a stingy bastard"-him

As you can see, there's a sort of impatience in his voice. He didn't know what it was at all and had 0 information on it. Without even googling it he wanted me to sell him some. suffice to say I just decided I would lie and say I ran out. But this is the average college drug user. Maybe you are out of the loop because I feel people in UK are a tad more cautious, and from your posts you are not in college anymore. Not only am I in college, I am in the US. And on top of that, I am in the smartphone generation where its "GO GO GO!" instead of "Let me try and actually understand what this is about"

I sort of ranted in my post and went off topic. But hopefully the conversation I illustrated gives you insight into the "kind" of person who is the average street drug user. I would not feel safe giving that kid DMT. Not in the slightest. Or xanax. Or really anything but weed and caffiene. There is a certain level of respect that psyches require. And on top of that, DMT requires extra caution. I think if we legalized DMT AND were sure to have an open discussion in the senoir yearish of high school about DMT and psyches in general, things would be great



I like the last part, but that will never happen soon. Good post.:grin:


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23533367 - 08/11/16 11:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I assume you are being sarcastic. So with that assumption:
salvia is inherently dysphoric for most people I have talked to. Also; Salvia is all "WTF" and very little meaning (for most). I liked it more recently when I smoked 1x leaf. But nothing DMT's level. Hence it never really hit the mainstream. Its completely legal yet I would venture to say the RC scene is far larger than salvia. The salvia market is tiny. Mostly 1-5 time users. Its basically the opposite of pleasnat or addicting (for most)
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Did you have the phase where all the kids were doing salvia and recording it on YouTube? I know there was a bit of a media wildfire about it but I'd stake my reputation on the fact that there were next to no people who suffered any kind of long term psychological damage.

Some kid wants to bite off more than he can chew? Fuck it, let him, he's just gonna get his ass metaphorically whupped anyway. He'll probably learn some lessons, even if it's just not to take that drug again.

I don't agree with withholding drugs from morons just because they're morons. It's that kind of mollycoddling attitude that's got us in the mess we're in already.



Lol I wouldn't feel safe doing that. I think that drugs with 0 education or grounded knowledge and tons of propoganda=disaster. I share all my drugs with the inner circle of my friends who actually understand what they are doing

That sort of attitude leads to moments like this. I assume you didn't see this post I made. But I was almost arrested over this:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23226888

But I guess at this point in the convo its more my experience against yours


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
    #23533387 - 08/12/16 12:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not being sarcastic at all. Are you aware of any people suffering long term effects from Salvia use after the trip has worn off? I had a quick google but couldn't spot anything. Sure it can be a fucking unpleasant trip, I've had a few, but when it's done it's done.

I can see why the post/event you linked to shook you up; cause if anything happened to that dude it would've been on your head cause you supplied him. Simple answer - don't give shit to people you don't know.

And whilst I see why you have reservations, I'm kinda looking at a larger issue here. Imagine if all the heroin users and all the DMT users in the world suddenly swapped their drugs. Do you think we'd see the same kind of harm caused?


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23533422 - 08/12/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ok when you put it like that I guess it would be mitigated. I think the intensity of the DMT experience sort of acts as its own regulating agent. I smoked DMT only breifly daily for like 1-2 weeks. But I think if I had kept that up I would have gone insane. And in that sense I guess I wouldn't see the big deal. I guess another example is alcohol. I would not be able to drink mroe than 2 times a week due to its very hangover causing nature

So I guess we can agree on that. But that being said, I feel I don't share your openess to sharing drugs with morons. I am not sharing a single milligram of drug with anyone and I am not wasting a calorie explaining to people shit about drugs. I am personally happy letting people outside my inner circle get them on their own


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    #23533432 - 08/12/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The human mind seldom self-traumatizes. Trips tend to only become truly traumatic if they intersect with the outside world in an unfortunate manner of if you are unhealthy mentally to begin with.

Salvia for most is pretty safe if you do nothing stupid  :tetsuo:  :breakout:


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
    #23533442 - 08/12/16 12:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I feel I don't share your openess to sharing drugs with morons. I am not sharing a single milligram of drug with anyone and I am not wasting a calorie explaining to people shit about drugs. I am personally happy letting people outside my inner circle get them on their own



Likewise. I think you got the wrong end of the stick. I never suggested I would share MY drugs with morons, I make a strict habit of not doing so. Rather, I believe that drugs should not be withheld from morons, i.e. by scheduling, and then via law enforcement.


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23533457 - 08/12/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I feel I don't share your openess to sharing drugs with morons. I am not sharing a single milligram of drug with anyone and I am not wasting a calorie explaining to people shit about drugs. I am personally happy letting people outside my inner circle get them on their own



Likewise. I think you got the wrong end of the stick. I never suggested I would share MY drugs with morons, I make a strict habit of not doing so. Rather, I believe that drugs should not be withheld from morons, i.e. by scheduling, and then via law enforcement.



Ok then we are def on the same page. I think I talked past you or maybe you missed what I was saying

I was basically saying that in th current context, misinformation is rampant and our attitude towards is unhealthy (no fucking duh). Because you just "aren't supposed to do them", the healthy convo that should be happening around it is replaced with misinformation, "I heard that DMT makes you eat people's faces" type statements, and a fuckton of overdoses. Hence resulting in the distaster we have today


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Re: If DMT became "mainstream"? [Re: topdog82]
    #23533554 - 08/12/16 02:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think the point I'm driving at here, in regards to OP, is that IMO DMT would likely never become mainstream due to the sheer intensity of it and the fact that it is not an 'easy' drug (like say, a fat line of coke or a bottle of wine). If there's one thing you can count on, it's that humans are inherently lazy.

I do however firmly believe it should be available to everyone to experience. It would self regulate IMO due to the fact that most people wouldn't be able to handle it, but I do not believe they would come away from the experience any worse off for it either. It's not inherently toxic or dangerous like the GHB you brought up earlier. It's not addictive. It's effects, when smoked, are too short lived for people to start driving on it. As Asante said, it's extremely unlikely to cause lasting psychological harm.

I can't see a single bad reason to have it freely available, personally.


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