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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: quinn]
#23531920 - 08/11/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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i fail to see how seeing a person's face makes you any more safe?. can people wear make up? can they have facial surgery? can they wear putty on their nose or a mask or anything else?
You already know the answer to this. you were just being argumentative, robbers, thieves, and gang bangers who rob stores on the spur of the moment don't do all that fancy shit, they cover their faces because of cameras and police lineups - and same for bank robbers etc.
Then you created exaggerated straw man arguments about 1984 and freedom. You seemed desperate to win at all costs and save face, and seemed to feel you are perhaps a champion of the oppressed, and if you can paint me as horrible it will make you and your position somehow more convincing. Why you chose to go this route I of course don't really know, but it hardly seems a path worth continuing to choose.
I did not make the signs at bank entrances saying to remove hats. Some of the female Muslim costumes are far more of a disguise than a hat. I fail to see why it upset you so much that someone pointed this out, and mentioned that it is a double standard.
With a little imagination, one can well imagine that small store owners, in cities in areas that are especially vulnerable to regular stickups, and have gone to the trouble of installing security cameras, might not be comfortable, with lots of people walking around hiding their faces. It is easy to act the super liberal, when one's at home watching sports on TV and nothing of one's own is at stake, and nothing is happening that impacts one.
In any case I have no control over these issues, nor do I wish be the unfortunate people in charge of security, in Paris, Belgium, Nice, and so on. The problems are immense and will not be solved quickly. The horrors will continue; and so will more restrictions on freedoms. Bush gave us the patriot act, then many thought Obama would stop the assault on the constitution. But he didn't. And those who didn't notice right away soon got a wake up call from Edward Snowden. Meanwhile we are well past J Kennedy,s Bay of Pigs operation. We now have, under Obama, remote assassination in foreign countries by drones controlled by military personnel, in the US Midwest.
And the problems with airport security in the US continue, ( a number of issues, one of which typically, was funding, because of grid lock in Washington). I hear Israel does a better job & uses a more sensible approach than we do (for instance the shoe removal for all). There are some problems that are not easily solvable and some where a little common sense would help.
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: laughingdog]
#23533029 - 08/11/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Northern NSW. About 7 hours drive south of Brisbane.
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the point of bringing up furries and makeup is that unless they are banned too you are the one with the double standards and deliberately attacking just muslim women.
i dont think my argument was a straw man, you are essentially saying that people in public spaces need to adhere to a certain dress code which does seem a bit totalitarian 
anwyway this wasnt the direction i wanted to go in this thread the bank debate is purely something you brought up...
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You seemed desperate to win at all costs and save face, and seemed to feel you are perhaps a champion of the oppressed, and if you can paint me as horrible it will make you and your position somehow more convincing.
i like how through most of your post you claim to know most of my motives, emotions and intentions and then claim that i, who has made no such personal commentary whatsoever, am somehow painting you to be horrible?
also, what is wrong with being a 'champion of the oppressed' if i may ask anyway?
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With a little imagination, one can well imagine that small store owners, in cities in areas that are especially vulnerable to regular stickups, and have gone to the trouble of installing security cameras, might not be comfortable, with lots of people walking around hiding their faces. It is easy to act the super liberal, when one's at home watching sports on TV and nothing of one's own is at stake, and nothing is happening that impacts one.
ok so what's at stake for you?
or are you just sitting at home watching sports and tv and have nothing at stake or that impacts you and are simply 'imagining store owners'??
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: quinn]
#23533680 - 08/12/16 05:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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we got off on the wrong foot when you were sarcastic or attempted sarcasm, and I snapped back with a remark about reading comprehension, it's just our silly egos, I'm sorry we took things personally and bear you no ill will.
As I said, I'm glad I'm not in charge of finding the proper balance in society between conflicting necessities, dealing with a couple bickering grandchildren this summer was enough trouble.
Whatever we think, it is highly unlikely there will be any satisfactory resolution to the larger societal issues.
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: laughingdog] 1
#23533723 - 08/12/16 06:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If I go into a Japanese person's house and he asks me to take off my shoes, I do so. Basic courtesy and respect. Foreigners going into a host country and expecting the host country to change to accommodate them is both rude and aggressive.
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#23534959 - 08/12/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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it's not about foreigners but citizens..
say you have with a few housemates,
a person who likes shoes off at the door, dishes washed after use, and the recycling to be rigorously separated
a person who is easy going but rather untidy and just doesnt want their beers drunk out of the fridge
another person who simply requires some quiet for their early bed time and access to the bathroom/shower early in the morning..
and you with all your hangups and requirements..
well.. these very different people can live happily together with the miracle of consideration and compromise
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: laughingdog]
#23534974 - 08/12/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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thanks and likewise..
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: quinn]
#23534981 - 08/12/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Did you know that at some Midwest companies, Muslims DEMANDED four prayer breaks per day. That is not attempting to compromise and fit in.
Every single company that I have worked for I accepted their rules and played along. Same as when I visit a friend or family member for the holidays. I don't go imposing MY WILL on them in their house.
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#23535023 - 08/12/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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you know their religion literally requires them to take time to pray 5 times a day at very explicit times right? each prayer only takes about 7 minutes (35 minutes per day)..
that does not seem unreasonable to me 
what great sacrifices have you made to your orgone philosopy of life that equates to that?
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: quinn] 1
#23535044 - 08/12/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Uh huh. Where is the limit? What if someone starts a religion that requires 6 each 1 hour meditation breaks per day?
There is a recent case of a Muslim airline stewardess who is suing the airline that employed her because she had to serve alcohol. The dumb bitch knew this when taking the job, but once again, religious nuttery makes demands that everyone around them kowtow to their traditions.
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#23535057 - 08/12/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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well religious or secular nothing is going to stop people being assholes and suing eachother for whatever triviality upsets them.
when your hypothetical religion gains a bit of traction and has the second largest following in the modern world.. then we may have to think about it a bit harder
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: quinn]
#23535079 - 08/12/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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well religious or secular nothing is going to stop people being assholes
I will!
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#23535102 - 08/12/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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yet another america based shooting
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: quinn]
#23535475 - 08/12/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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What do you think about Germany, and how sexual assaults have gone way up after Muslims started pouring in, and how some of these cases are being covered up to avoid offending Muslims? Or how Germans have been threatened for not living a Muslim lifestyle? What kind of compromise should be made on the Germans' part in these scenarios? It seems pretty clear that wherever Muslims go, lots of bullshit follows Why can't they learn to fit in like, say, eastern Asians for example? It's because of their religion of course.
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: Eminence]
#23535970 - 08/12/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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In Norway, Muslim immigrants have to attend classes on how and why not to rape the locals girls and underage boys.
Insanity!
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#23536074 - 08/12/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, at least they're doing something about it I guess. That probably wouldn't be very PC in Sweden or Germany
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: Eminence]
#23536101 - 08/12/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Once they master that, then they can go on to learn how not to blow up citizens at a shopping center or behead people in a church!
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#23536150 - 08/12/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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some religions are more fun than others Islam is not one of the fun ones
this must have been one of the fun ones https://duckduckgo.com/?q=khajuraho+sculptures&t=h_&iax=1&ia=images
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: Eminence]
#23536165 - 08/12/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eminence said: What do you think about Germany, and how sexual assaults have gone way up after Muslims started pouring in, and how some of these cases are being covered up to avoid offending Muslims? Or how Germans have been threatened for not living a Muslim lifestyle? What kind of compromise should be made on the Germans' part in these scenarios? It seems pretty clear that wherever Muslims go, lots of bullshit follows Why can't they learn to fit in like, say, eastern Asians for example? It's because of their religion of course.
i think the mass sexual assaults and robberies in Germany are absolutely disgusting. 
i dont think it's a 'muslim' issue tho. i mean muslims live in large populations in many countries around the world without ever having recorded any such incidents.
to me it seems more of a recent immigration problem, people from draconian war torn countries such as syria or pakistan where life is cheaper, physical violence is more pervasive, less controlled or institutionalised than in the developed world.
men coming out of those brutish worlds are where the problem lies imo. it's more complex than simply blaming islam.
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: laughingdog]
#23536179 - 08/12/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: American Muslim Olympian Fencer declared a hero [Re: laughingdog]
#23536215 - 08/12/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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