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Vaping Regulations Are Now in Effect, Here’s What that Means for Vapers
#23523224 - 08/08/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://motherboard.vice.com/read/vaping-regulations-are-now-in-effect-heres-what-that-means-for-vape
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Vape stores and ice cream shops have had one thing in common for years now: free samples. Just like an ice cream shop lets you try a spoonful of any flavor before choosing your double scoop, vape shops often let customers sample e-liquid flavors before buying a full bottle. But those days have officially ended in the US, as the Food and Drug Administration’s regulations on e-cigarettes came into effect Monday.
As of Monday, retailers can no longer give away free samples, sell products in a vending machine (except in adult-only facilities), or tell customers that vaping is less harmful than smoking—even though all of the scientific evidence we have so far shows that it is. This is a major sore spot for lots of vape companies. “I'm no longer allowed to share the story of our best success: a 65 year old woman who smoked three packs a day for nearly 20 years, who quit smoking and vaping altogether in a little less than six months with the help of electronic cigarettes,” one vendor lamented on Reddit.
It’s also now officially illegal to sell e-cigarettes to minors, although this was already the case at the state level. It took some states longer than others (Montana’s law banning the sale of e-cigarettes to minors only came into effect this year), but every state had already made it illegal to sell vapes to kids, with some states even banning the sale to anyone under 21. Many in the industry were fully supportive of these age restriction, but as of Monday retailers will also have to verify the age of customers. In a brick-and-mortar shop, that’s as simply as checking the customer’s ID. But for online retailers, it gets more complicated. “It’s not just ‘check this box if you are above the age of 18,’ it’d be awesome if it was that simple,” Tim Mechling, the assistant brand manager for Mt. Baker Vaping, one of the largest US vaping companies, told me. “We have to do this arduous service called BlueCheck, in which people actually have to take a selfie with their ID and put the last four digits of their social security number, which a lot of our customers are not cool with.”
Mechling told me Mt. Baker introduced this age verification system for customers in California after the law changed to require it, and the company’s sales in that state have since dropped by 50 percent. “Nobody wants to take that stupid selfie,” he said, noting it was both time consumer and a security concern for some customers. Regulation in this industry is important and necessary, both to keep the products out of the hands of teens—who are increasingly interested in vaping—and to ensure the safety of the products adults are using. But the industry is worried over-regulation could put up too many barriers and limit the number of smokers who are able to get the harm reduction benefits of vaping.
One of the biggest concerns isn’t these immediate changes, but the long-term ramifications of the new rules. Manufacturers now have two years to file lengthy, expensive paperwork to register their products. Each flavor and nicotine strength of a company’s e-liquid (many companies produce hundreds of flavors and nicotine combinations) has to be registered.
The FDA has relaxed the requirements, now allowing manufacturers to submit all their products under one application, and the agency estimates these applications will cost between $117,000 and $466,000, not the millions it had previously estimated. But it’s still a lengthy and expensive process that many vape businesses simply can’t afford. This means the variety and size of the market is likely to shrink dramatically over the next two years.
There’s a chance that could change if Congress passes a law to amend a date in the deeming regulations that would grandfather-in all the existing vape products. There have been a few bills introduced to do just that, and many in the industry continue to lobby for the change. But for now, everybody must accept the new climate: a stricter, more structured vaping market. And no free samples.
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Re: Vaping Regulations Are Now in Effect, Here’s What that Means for Vapers [Re: tdubz]
#23523514 - 08/08/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Glad i gave vaping up for cigarettes.
regulate deez nutssss
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Re: Vaping Regulations Are Now in Effect, Here’s What that Means for Vapers [Re: Apostle]
#23523599 - 08/08/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yep. It's the beginning of the end. Or in a best-case scenario the beginning of the mediocre, overpriced crap.
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Re: Vaping Regulations Are Now in Effect, Here’s What that Means for Vapers [Re: 36fuckin5]
#23523956 - 08/09/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hate living in america because there's always some wacky bullshit like this Quote:
Can't tell customers that vaping is less harmful than smoking
if they just got rid of the 1st amendment everything would make much more sense
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Re: Vaping Regulations Are Now in Effect, Here’s What that Means for Vapers [Re: Konyap]
#23524432 - 08/09/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I make my own juice, costs me a buck to two bucks to mke 30mL, and all the things shud not ever need to be regulated by them, since they all have different uses.
Im wondering if this will inhibit online purchases of mods as well
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Re: Vaping Regulations Are Now in Effect, Here’s What that Means for Vapers [Re: twohigh]
#23525580 - 08/09/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gotta love it when something great starts and then the government comes in and ruins it. I wish that happened all of the time. Oh wait, it does.
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Re: Vaping Regulations Are Now in Effect, Here’s What that Means for Vapers [Re: LSDylan]
#23525582 - 08/09/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its the destiny of the fledgling independent marijuana entrepreneurs once feds decriminalize and regulate in the next couple years.
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Re: Vaping Regulations Are Now in Effect, Here’s What that Means for Vapers [Re: twohigh]
#23526067 - 08/09/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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HELLOOOOOO, BLACK MARKET!!!
...these money addicts are fuckin idiots..
The positive: It's no longer just cannabis smokers trying to explain the bullshit. Now it's down to a cigarette level..
These people's stiff arm tactics are just further creating "enemies". Their batshit craziness is getting plain as day. They're putting the nail in their own coffin..
How hard is it to grow a plant...cannabis wins.. How hard is it to make a vape. Vape wins...
It's impossible to beat. And with all their bullshit regulations, they're pretty much just putting a spotlight on their foolishness..
They're essentially cutting their own throat.
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Re: Vaping Regulations Are Now in Effect, Here’s What that Means for Vapers [Re: Amanita86]
#23528189 - 08/10/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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this is the same country where you can get kicked out of your own house by a woman
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Re: Vaping Regulations Are Now in Effect, Here’s What that Means for Vapers [Re: Konyap]
#23530030 - 08/11/16 01:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Konyap said: I hate living in america because there's always some wacky bullshit like this Quote:
Can't tell customers that vaping is less harmful than smoking
if they just got rid of the 1st amendment everything would make much more sense
OK. so why stay here? Getting rid of any amendment is a shit-stain of an idea.
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Re: Vaping Regulations Are Now in Effect, Here’s What that Means for Vapers [Re: Amanita86]
#23530103 - 08/11/16 02:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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404 said:
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Konyap said: I hate living in america because there's always some wacky bullshit like this Quote:
Can't tell customers that vaping is less harmful than smoking
if they just got rid of the 1st amendment everything would make much more sense
OK. so why stay here? Getting rid of any amendment is a shit-stain of an idea.
lol pretty sure that was satirical sarcasm.
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Amanita86 said: HELLOOOOOO, BLACK MARKET!!!
...these money addicts are fuckin idiots..
The positive: It's no longer just cannabis smokers trying to explain the bullshit. Now it's down to a cigarette level..
These people's stiff arm tactics are just further creating "enemies". Their batshit craziness is getting plain as day. They're putting the nail in their own coffin..
How hard is it to grow a plant...cannabis wins.. How hard is it to make a vape. Vape wins...
It's impossible to beat. And with all their bullshit regulations, they're pretty much just putting a spotlight on their foolishness..
They're essentially cutting their own throat.
See... I keep having thoughts like this, but then I look back at all of the atrocities that the blind sheep of the united states have allowed and I really really doubt that anyone will ever do anything :/
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Re: Vaping Regulations Are Now in Effect, Here’s What that Means for Vapers [Re: LSDylan] 1
#23535803 - 08/12/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well they kind of make it hard to do anything. See you have to work for a living, and then somehow balance fighting bullshit laws.
They leach off your hard work, and have all day to sit around conjuring up bullshit. Plus, you bought them guns and armies and prisions and police officers.
Ever feel like a 1860's black man in Southern Georgia? Well, now you do. It's rigged. All these freedom of speech promises of blah blah USA is pure smoke and mirrors bullshit.
One world order, own the world. Be queen bee, and have everyone slave and serve... that's it under this game of rules... that's all there is..
A select group of people have truly fucked the world. Animals, resources, and people alike...fucked them all for a few moments of pleasure....
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