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big_scrappy97
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Ketogenic Diet
#23522525 - 08/08/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Does anyone else follow the ketogenic diet here?
If you haven't heard of it, it is a high fat low carb (HFLC) diet that induces your body into ketosis. Ketosis happens when you don't have any carbs or glycogen stored in your muscles. Your body needs to find another form of energy and it will either a. break down protein to glucose to use as energy (gluconeogenesis) or b. break down fat for energy. Instead of using glucose for fuel, your body uses ketones which are broken down from fat.
It has worked great for me and I have lost over 60 pounds of fat from switching my diet. If you want to start, just follow this link at it will tell you everything about the diet: https://authoritynutrition.com/ketogenic-diet-101/
Also, for skeptics, this study shows fat alone is not linked to triglycerides and bad cholesterol. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
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ive done spells of it i even still have some keto test strips in my medicine cabinet. It works great but its brutal man. fuck that all i feel like eating is bread or carbs when im on it. its torture because even sugar is a carb...
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QuantumMeltdown said: ive done spells of it i even still have some keto test strips in my medicine cabinet. It works great but its brutal man. fuck that all i feel like eating is bread or carbs when im on it. its torture because even sugar is a carb...
After you are fully fat adapted, carbs aren't really on your mind anymore. If it is that bad then look into the cylical keto diet. I do it when I am trying to do a lean bulk.
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I was on it for about 3 months, but it wasn't really working for me at the time. I had meticulously planned ahead too. I may give it a go at some point in the future again, but I get the impression it doesn't work well for all that try it.
No 'one size fits all' solution for us humans huh?
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Jokeshopbeard said: I was on it for about 3 months, but it wasn't really working for me at the time. I had meticulously planned ahead too. I may give it a go at some point in the future again, but I get the impression it doesn't work well for all that try it.
No 'one size fits all' solution for us humans huh?
Yeah that's what I was going to say. Some diets work for some people and others don't. If you do decide to ever try it again, eliminate nuts and dairy based products. I notice if I have too much casein, it bumps me out of ketosis. Nuts have sneaky carbs and they don't really fill me up. Also, did you have a good mix of saturated and unsaturated fats? Ever since I got rid of all soy, canola, and corn oil I have been shedding like crazy. Finally, did you take coconut or MCT oil? Those two will do wonders.
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Mmmm, I think I may well have relied too heavily on dairy products. Balance of fats was good, no heavy reliance on nuts, lots of meat & fish. Coconut oil was included.
What I'd really like to try next is the Intermittent Fasting that Masked has been using; he had amazing results. It'll take me a while though, I always seem to spend weeks planning a diet before I start it.
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Jokeshopbeard said: Mmmm, I think I may well have relied too heavily on dairy products. Balance of fats was good, no heavy reliance on nuts, lots of meat & fish. Coconut oil was included.
What I'd really like to try next is the Intermittent Fasting that Masked has been using; he had amazing results. It'll take me a while though, I always seem to spend weeks planning a diet before I start it.
Yeah if you decide to try it again, try to base most of the things you eat on fatty meat, eggs and leafy greens. IF is waaaayyy easier on the ketogenic diet since your body already recognizes its energy source. IF isn't really a one size fits all either. I notice if I fast for anything over 14 hours my weight loss stalls. There are some people I know who have excellent results with 16 and some 20 hours of fasting. See what fits best for your lifestyle and the way your body reacts.
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I think I feel better when I go on a keto diet. The problem is I always feel hungry and once I give in to a snack or something I eat too much. I'm dealing with lyme disease so that's part of my hunger issue and I don't gain weight but when I'm more keto and eating less carbs and sugar I feel like I have a bit more energy. I feel like I can manage it when I'm eating stuff mostly like soups and chicken salads, etc.
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if you get yourself into a true state of ketosis as verified by the test strips it WILL work and it will work awesome. its just torture is all. This is not new science, people like the south beach diet and adkins just popularized a method thats been used in body building for over 50 years.
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Anonymous said: I don't gain weight
Don't go on keto if you can't gain weight! Carb and protein up and hit the gym to make those gaaiiinnsss.
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QuantumMeltdown said: if you get yourself into a true state of ketosis as verified by the test strips it WILL work and it will work awesome. its just torture is all. This is not new science, people like the south beach diet and adkins just popularized a method thats been used in body building for over 50 years.
Yeah exactly! Many people who are 400+ pounds can easily get down in the 200s in less than a year without crash dieting. The test strips really don't mean much to be honest. There are too many variables involved (urine dilution/concentration, the body actually using those ketones or just producing them, etc.). The best way to tell are those glucose monitors that also detect ketones.
I'm glad I am not in your boat, though. I really only crave carbs when I get REALLY hungry when I am in a medium to small state of ketosis. This diet would be too difficult if I constantly craved them honestly.
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Intermittent fasting - for breakfast a 'bullet proof' coffee which is made with blended coconut oil and butter. I could never eat breakfast anyway. Also cut the carbs as much as possible ie bread, pasta, rice, starchy vegetable like potatoe. Pretty easy diet to follow
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Re: Ketogenic Diet [Re: jonmel77]
#23526942 - 08/10/16 02:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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jonmel77 said: Intermittent fasting - for breakfast a 'bullet proof' coffee which is made with blended coconut oil and butter. I could never eat breakfast anyway. Also cut the carbs as much as possible ie bread, pasta, rice, starchy vegetable like potatoe. Pretty easy diet to follow
It isn't really easy to follow considering you have roughly 30 grams of carbs to work with. They can definitely sneak in even with certain vegetables (tomatoes, cabbage, broccoli, etc.), nuts, and dairy products. Whenever I tell someone about the diet they always say "so you basically can't eat anything."
I have never really liked bullet proof coffee as it has always made me hungrier later in the day. Instead, I usually have a few eggs and a glass of coconut milk with MCT oil mixed in there.
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So its not worth going ketogenic even if only for a few hours each day?
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Re: Ketogenic Diet [Re: jonmel77]
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jonmel77 said: So its not worth going ketogenic even if only for a few hours each day?
It takes a few days-weeks to induce ketosis. If you eat fat and no carbs, you don't magically induce it right away. It takes time. You first need to rid all of the carbs stored in your muscles and liver which is known as glycogen. Once you are in ketosis, you are in it 24/7. If you spike your blood sugar too much you will bump yourself out of it.
Ketosis is basically another way of saying you are changing your body from utilizing glucose (comes from carbs) as energy to utilizing ketones (comes from fat) as energy.
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Ok then sorry no I don't follow a ketogenic diet. Is this just for weightloss or are there other benefits.
It seems like a lot of people eat too much of the 'empty' carbs ie no nutritional value but lots of energy and then they put on weight, become lethargic due to the insulin spikes and don't know why. Also the low fat, high carb diet I'm sure is promoted by people who know the scam full well. Good way of selling more Kellogs bran flakes, low fat yogurt or whatever to obese people thinking they're being 'healthy' whilst they mysteriously put on more weight each year.
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Anonymous said: I don't gain weight
Don't go on keto if you can't gain weight! Carb and protein up and hit the gym to make those gaaiiinnsss.
Hear that man. Thanks
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Re: Ketogenic Diet [Re: jonmel77]
#23528377 - 08/10/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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jonmel77 said: Ok then sorry no I don't follow a ketogenic diet. Is this just for weightloss or are there other benefits.
It seems like a lot of people eat too much of the 'empty' carbs ie no nutritional value but lots of energy and then they put on weight, become lethargic due to the insulin spikes and don't know why. Also the low fat, high carb diet I'm sure is promoted by people who know the scam full well. Good way of selling more Kellogs bran flakes, low fat yogurt or whatever to obese people thinking they're being 'healthy' whilst they mysteriously put on more weight each year.
There are plenty other benefits. One of the main ones is a better, more efficient source of energy (ketones). You have more mental clarity and thought as opposed to using glucose.
Check this article out: http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/ketogenic-diet-benefits.html
Many of the benefits listed come with most high fat low carb diets.
It sounds like you are doing the paleo/atkins diet more or less which is a great diet as well. It is much less strict and it is easier to get all your daily vitamins and minerals without supplementation.
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