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Empathy
    #23521930 - 08/08/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

"“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”

Robert Anton Wilson


How true do you think this statement is?

And does it give you the feels?


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Re: Empathy [Re: hTx]
    #23521943 - 08/08/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

A lot of people are a great example of overcoming the scary things in life.  Somehow people carry on.


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Re: Empathy [Re: hTx]
    #23522022 - 08/08/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with old Bob.  I feel that, by this point, in this world, neurosis is near-universal.  Whoever doesn't suffer from it, to some degree, well, they'd be a freak, anyway.

At a very basic level, when you put an animal in a cage, its mental (and physical) integrity begins to disintegrate.  And we're all in cages of some form or another.


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Re: Empathy [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23522120 - 08/08/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I agree with old Bob.  I feel that, by this point, in this world, neurosis is near-universal.  Whoever doesn't suffer from it, to some degree, well, they'd be a freak, anyway.

At a very basic level, when you put an animal in a cage, its mental (and physical) integrity begins to disintegrate.  And we're all in cages of some form or another.



I was feeling similar sentiments,

a totally sane human being as described by Wilson in this day and age might seem quite insane to we the wounded..

it also seems to be a call for the reader to realize the degree with which lifes 'wounds' affect us, however unconsciously, and to consciously do something about it.


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Re: Empathy [Re: hTx]
    #23522300 - 08/08/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I get the point.  But does sane vs insane even have any meaning anymore? 

People are emotional beings.  They naturally act on those emotions.  Grief and anxiety are a part of the human condition, yes.  That is why people can have empathy.  Everyone can relate on some level.  Not having empathy is a sign of "insanity" anyway, to bring it full circle, wtf am I talking about? 

It does not give me the feels.  This is something I recognize daily.  I would say I'm beyond being needed to be reminded that humans all experience grief and anxiety, and are capable of empathy.  It's common sense to me.


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Re: Empathy [Re: Hippocampus]
    #23522340 - 08/08/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I suppose that depends on the person, insane and sane are value judgements relative to the observers prejudices.


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Re: Empathy [Re: hTx]
    #23522378 - 08/08/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I must be in a different dimension or something because as far as I can see, life is fucking awesome.


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Re: Empathy [Re: hTx]
    #23522512 - 08/08/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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hTx said:
"“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”

Robert Anton Wilson


How true do you think this statement is?

And does it give you the feels?




"The Feels"?

No, actually that dude seems quite preachy.  Makes me feel a bit queasy.  I don't like preachers.

Then the bit about walking wounded, anxiety and grief.  Yeah, so what?  And who the fuck is this we?  RAW and his herd of peaceful whatever they are?  I mean, who made this guy the judge?  I hate judgmental people.  Mean people suck.  Try A Little Tenderness, RAW red rough and sore...



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Re: Empathy [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23522740 - 08/08/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I must be in a different dimension or something because as far as I can see, life is fucking awesome.




Don't rain on the parade. You and your positive poppycock of an attitude    :grin:


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Re: Empathy [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23522764 - 08/08/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I must be in a different dimension or something because as far as I can see, life is fucking awesome.




Don't rain on the parade. You and your positive poppycock of an attitude    :grin:






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Re: Empathy [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23522816 - 08/08/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

if you spend 15 minutes in the New York Subway system you will see
that the average person actually has a lot of respect and empathy for and with their fellows.

I am enchanted with New York


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Re: Empathy [Re: hTx]
    #23523649 - 08/08/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Empathy is signified as feeling with another but a lot of the time this isn't helpful for anyone.

E.g. If a friend is sad and crying it's not going to make the situation better if you start feeling sad and crying too.

Sympathy for the struggles of another is enough.


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Re: Empathy [Re: sudly]
    #23523725 - 08/08/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting pic.

Mother always said that sympathy is just how you absorb people's negativity.


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Re: Empathy [Re: hTx] * 1
    #23524029 - 08/09/16 05:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

seems like he only added exageration to what Buddha said 2500 years ago.


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Re: Empathy [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23524609 - 08/09/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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if you spend 15 minutes in the New York Subway system you will see
that the average person actually has a lot of respect and empathy for and with their fellows.

I am enchanted with New York




When in NY, I walk.  I walk fast.  Your version of respect and empathy is herd mentality of protection in a group in a dangerous situation, help your herd member.  Respect?  OK, you stay enchanted with that sweaty smelly nasty city. 



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Re: Empathy [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23525637 - 08/09/16 06:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I agree with old Bob.  I feel that, by this point, in this world, neurosis is near-universal.  Whoever doesn't suffer from it, to some degree, well, they'd be a freak, anyway.

At a very basic level, when you put an animal in a cage, its mental (and physical) integrity begins to disintegrate.  And we're all in cages of some form or another.




I disagree. Sanity and insanity have been terms that change so often depending on the times. What's sane in one time is insane in another.


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Re: Empathy [Re: FlowerofTitania]
    #23525645 - 08/09/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry, but these are not arbitrary terms.  Ask just about any doctor.


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Re: Empathy [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23525673 - 08/09/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Sorry, but these are not arbitrary terms.  Ask just about any doctor.




And they will tell you how they have changed over time.


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Re: Empathy [Re: FlowerofTitania]
    #23525843 - 08/09/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Sorry, but these are not arbitrary terms.  Ask just about any doctor.




And they will tell you how they have changed over time.




The ego of most doctors is only a slight bit less than their bloated bills.  Last doctor I went to brilliantly told me that the human body either absorbs or rejects that splinter I had in my side.  I cut the fucker out with a box cutter.  Should have done it right away, and no I don't need your tetanus shot "booster".

When you get a puncture wound, prepare for surgery earlier rather than wait for the rusty nail to fester.  Festering, isn't good.  Just suck it up, take out your box cutter, maybe sterilize it with your lighter, then dig in. Cut cut cut.


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Re: Empathy [Re: FlowerofTitania]
    #23526192 - 08/09/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
Sorry, but these are not arbitrary terms.  Ask just about any doctor.




And they will tell you how they have changed over time.




And how can you be so sure, exactly?


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