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Alkaline diet
    #23521761 - 08/08/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone actively partaking in a alkaline diet? How's that working out for ya? :shrug:


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #23521785 - 08/08/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry, not me, but I just looked it up and it seems too restrictive to keep up long term for anyone who loves food like me. I'd rather just eat whatever, exercise, and fast once every couple weeks or so :shrug:

Could you not just drink water with the right amount of baking soda throughout the day and get similar benefits?


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Eminence] * 2
    #23521789 - 08/08/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I read that the body is unaffected by eating ot drinking alkaline things.

Theres some quacks that think you can cure cancer by drinking a bunch of baking soda, but there's a bunch of people who seem to have debunked thus myth


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: goop]
    #23521796 - 08/08/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I read that the body is unaffected by eating ot drinking alkaline things




So you think we could just eat fried dough forever and be cool?


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Eminence]
    #23521798 - 08/08/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

From the studies I've been reading, and the lectures I've been listening to, a lot of illnesses thrive in a acidity environment. By intaking lots of acid foods, sugars, and starches, we're forming a micro-climate inside ourselves for foreign bacteria and viruses to thrive.

Supposedly the reason our blood is red is because the iron that the red blood cells carry is actively being oxidized and rusting. So by intaking red meat or foreign blood, we're basically just forcing our bodies to do additional work.

My mother had to recently get a large percentage of her intensines removed due to something growing inside her. Her body no longer can process intaking any meat whatsoever. It's kind of my hopes that by directing her to a more alkaline lifestyle that she can continue to live her life without illness for many years to come.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #23521799 - 08/08/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I mean I dont see why not, as long as you're getting all macro and micro nutrients from other foods


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: goop]
    #23521808 - 08/08/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You should do it. Set it up documentary style. Only eat rice or dough, and take a multivitamin everyday. Let's see what happens.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Penelope_Tree] * 2
    #23521825 - 08/08/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What is it that an alkaline diet is attempting to change?  The pH of human blood has to remain really stable, or it causes problems. On the other hand, the stomach remains highly acidic.

I'm curious if there are any actual data supporting the benefits of an alkaline diet.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #23521828 - 08/08/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Was thinking more like fruits, veggies, and nuts, maybe herbs and mushrooms.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #23521830 - 08/08/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I also read that multi vitamins aren't great for you but I dont know for sure.

I'd think they're bad cause you probably get excess of certain fat soluble vitamins which can become toxic, and taking straight vitamins to the dome doesn't sound good to me.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: goop]
    #23521837 - 08/08/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

From what I've gathered from research is what badsad said. In petre dishes, cancer cells die in alkaline environments, but the body is highly buffered from changes in pH and really difficult to change, and alkylosis  is bad too if you do manage to adjust your pH.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: goop]
    #23521848 - 08/08/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Your body wasn't meant to handle 100% daily value of anything in one sitting. If kids get ahold of adult formula multi-vitamins you're supposed to get ahold of poison control or get their stomach pumped at the doctor.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: goop]
    #23521869 - 08/08/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yea, my point is you can't live off an acidic diet, which is comprised of most everything except for fruits and veggies. We all eat a somewhat alkaline diet.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #23521874 - 08/08/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You can test the ph of your urine.  The water here is about an 8ph.  I drink lot's of acid drinks like coffee and beer.

I think the data is far to loose to claim a low ph body causes cancer.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #23521957 - 08/08/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yea, my point is you can't live off an acidic diet, which is comprised of most everything except for fruits and veggies. We all eat a somewhat alkaline diet.



Most fruits are more acidic than meat, dough and cheese, so that seems wrong. Lots of healthy foods are slightly acidic. Our stomach levels the PH of what we eat generally.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23522092 - 08/08/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23522223 - 08/08/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yea, my point is you can't live off an acidic diet, which is comprised of most everything except for fruits and veggies. We all eat a somewhat alkaline diet.



Most fruits are more acidic than meat, dough and cheese, so that seems wrong. Lots of healthy foods are slightly acidic. Our stomach levels the PH of what we eat generally.



I heard that citrus fruits break down to alkaline inside your system.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: YaMoonSun] * 1
    #23522306 - 08/08/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Anyone actively partaking in a alkaline diet? How's that working out for ya? :shrug:




It's bunk, and anyone else that tells you otherwise is a retard. Your kidneys and lungs regulate the pH of your blood - your lungs at a quicker rate than your kidneys.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: 404]
    #23522318 - 08/08/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: ChemicalSpark] * 2
    #23522350 - 08/08/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You're retarded... They may regulate PH but obviously the more alkaline things you consume, the more alkaline your PH.




The pH of what? Your blood, interstitial fluid, urine, what liquid are you referring to?

Everything you eat or drink hits the highly acidic stomach, then to the slightly acidic intestine.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #23522375 - 08/08/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Actually, the body always maintains its alkalinity within a narrow band so that regardless Of how acidic/alkaline your diet, your ph always stays almost the same.

However, when your diet is too acidic, your body leeches Calcium from your bones in order to compensate.

Therefore, although an alkaline diet doesn't actually change your body's PH, it is not bunk.

If your diet is too acidic your bones get leeched of calcium with negative effects.

Plus many highly acidifying foods such as alcohol and red meat increase cancer Risk while alkalizing foods like vegetables reduce cancer Risk.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: goop]
    #23522377 - 08/08/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I read that the body is unaffected by eating ot drinking alkaline things.

Theres some quacks that think you can cure cancer by drinking a bunch of baking soda, but there's a bunch of people who seem to have debunked thus myth




Great way to take too much sodium.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23522380 - 08/08/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Actually, the body always maintains its alkalinity within a narrow band so that regardless Of how acidic/alkaline your diet, your ph always stays almost the same.

However, when your diet is too acidic, your body leeches Calcium from your bones in order to compensate.

Therefore, although an alkaline diet doesn't actually change your body's PH, it is not bunk.

If your diet is too acidic your bones get leeched of calcium with negative effects.

Plus many highly acidifying foods such as alcohol and red meat increase cancer Risk while alkalizing foods like vegetables reduce cancer Risk.




Wut. Red meat and alcohol are way more neutral than vegetables and fruit, which can be extremely acidic.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Moonshoe] * 2
    #23522399 - 08/08/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Actually, the body always maintains its alkalinity within a narrow band so that regardless Of how acidic/alkaline your diet, your ph always stays almost the same.

However, when your diet is too acidic, your body leeches Calcium from your bones in order to compensate.

Therefore, although an alkaline diet doesn't actually change your body's PH, it is not bunk.

If your diet is too acidic your bones get leeched of calcium with negative effects.

Plus many highly acidifying foods such as alcohol and red meat increase cancer Risk while alkalizing foods like vegetables reduce cancer Risk.




Wrong, it's completely bunk. it has nothing to do with the acidity of your foods and drink. alcohol metabolizes to acetaldehyde, a known carcinogen, and i'm fairly certain meats (particularly red meats) are probably carcinogenic due to the iron binding more closely to hemoglobin, the iron being a source of free radicals http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1820488


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Anyone actively partaking in a alkaline diet? How's that working out for ya? :shrug:




It's bunk, and anyone else that tells you otherwise is a retard. Your kidneys and lungs regulate the pH of your blood - your lungs at a quicker rate than your kidneys.




You're retarded... They may regulate PH but obviously the more alkaline things you consume, the more alkaline your PH.





Oh yeah? tell me what the pH of your stomach acid is, smart guy. Your stomach produces hydrochloric acid... which is more acidic than anything you're gonna put in your body. You have no idea what you're talking about, lol. Neither does Moonshoe


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: 404]
    #23522420 - 08/08/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I didn't say that the reason alcohol or red meat is carcinogenic is because it is acidifying.

That your body leeches calcium from your bones to balance your PH when you eat too much acidic food is true.

The link you posted has no relevance to anything I said.

If you have a source disproving that your body leeches calcium from your bones when your diet is overly acidic I would like to see it.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23522438 - 08/08/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you have a viable source that backs up your original claim - one that shows that calcium being leeched from your bones from, let's say drinking coffee or orange juice, causes cancer - I'd like to see it as well


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: 404]
    #23522451 - 08/08/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

He never did claim that calcium leaching from bones caused cancer... osteoporosis isn't cancer but does suck.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: flickedbic]
    #23522455 - 08/08/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You're right, he did however say
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Plus many highly acidifying foods such as alcohol and red meat increase cancer Risk while alkalizing foods like vegetables reduce cancer Risk.




the pH being what he attributed the risk of cancer to.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #23522464 - 08/08/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

idunno are beer and hot dogs alkaline?


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: 404]
    #23522485 - 08/08/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I would say that correlation does not imply causation.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: 404]
    #23522507 - 08/08/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You are incorrect 404.

What I said was that when you eat an acidic diet your body compensates by leaching calcium from your bones to normalize PH, and therefore a more alkaline diet does indeed have benefits for bone health and thus is not "complete bunk"

I also said many acidifying foods are also carcinogenic. I did not say the reason they are carcinogenic is because they are acidic or has anything to do with PH.

Likewise I pointed out that many alkaline foods have anti cancer properties, but never said the reason for their anti cancer properties is because they are alkaline.

I even clarified that already in my last post.


"Bones are the storage tank for calcium compounds that regulate the acid-base balance of the blood, which must be maintained within a very narrow range. When the blood becomes even slightly too acid, alkaline calcium compounds — like calcium carbonate, the acid-neutralizer in Tums — are leached from bones to reduce the acidity.

Studies by Dr. Bess Dawson-Hughes, at the Jean Mayer U.S.D.A. Human Nutrition Research Center on Aging at Tufts University, and collaborators have demonstrated the acid-neutralizing ability of fruits and vegetables and the crucial role they can play in maintaining healthy bones.


The researchers note that fruits and vegetables are predominantly metabolized to alkaline bicarbonate, whereas proteins and cereal grains are metabolized to acids. The more protein people consume beyond the body’s true needs, the more acidic their blood can become and the more alkaline compounds are needed to neutralize the acid."

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/11/24/health/24brod.html?_r=2


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: badchad]
    #23522697 - 08/08/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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What is it that an alkaline diet is attempting to change?  The pH of human blood has to remain really stable, or it causes problems. On the other hand, the stomach remains highly acidic.

I'm curious if there are any actual data supporting the benefits of an alkaline diet.




There's not. One of the guys that made it popular has a website touting all these benefits. Guy has a phD, so people took him seriously. We researched the guy in a nutrition class, and it turns out that he bought that phD from a diploma mill & had no background of research or science in general.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23522747 - 08/08/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Again, there is a legitimate reason why a more alkaline diet has health benefits - it reduce the risk of calcium depletion in the bones .

And it's also true that if you choose your foods to be more alkaline you will likely be choosing a diet rich in fruit and vegetables And lower in red meat, alcohol, refined carbs and sugars, which will on average be a Healthier diet even though the reasons are not directly related to being alkaline.

It's like saying you should eat a diet rich in green foods. If you do so you will likely be eating more broccoli, kale, spinach, Brussels sprouts , lettuce and other vegetables which are very healthy even though its not the fact that they Are green which causes them to be healthy.

Being green is not the direct cause of the healthiness of vegetables, anymore than being alkaline is. But both are useful rules of thumb and following either will result in a diet that Is more healthy on Average.

A lot of alkalizing foods are also very healthy and a lot of acidifying  foods are unhealthy. Therefore Increasing alkaline foods and decreasing acidifying foods is likely to increase the healthiness of your diet on average in many cases, even though the benefits of alkalizing food and the harms of the acidifying ones may be unrelated to their PH (aside from the bone density issues which ARE directly related to PH)


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23522854 - 08/08/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This doesnt seem scientific. I supose its really more a vegan diet from what I read. It cold be healthy, but i dont know if the food eing alkaline is the reason.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23522871 - 08/08/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Moonshoe is making shit up. Fruits and vegetables are very acidic. I ever heard anyone claim eating too many fruits and vegetables causes your bones too leech calcium.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: koods]
    #23522933 - 08/08/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Its an electrolite, so if you dont have enough or drink liquid that flush it out without replenishing it and other electrolytes, it can be taken from bones. Soda, purified water, most water is deficient.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23523250 - 08/08/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Worth looking into, what about citrus though?

I know that basic foods are much better for you than acidic foods, although I don't know much about nutrition I just try and stay away from artificial crap and eat from the earth and only use entheogens for my daily intoxication/self development, ganja and shrooms being my favorite. I don't use drugs anymore and never will again.

Nutrition is something I must look into really.

If anyone knows anything about nutrition or can point me in the right direction that would be most appreciated.

Wrong forum though YaMoonSun, your query would be better suited here, pubfags usually bring fuckall to the table except lame inside jokes, waste of educational time.
Although I have not read this thread yet so I may be jumping the gun, but this is just my general observation. :shrug:

Try posting here your query here, I think it would be better suited, and I for one would like to know aswell.
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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #23523261 - 08/08/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't partake in any diets, I just eat what makes me feel good.

I did buy two jugs of alkaline water earlier though.:shrug:


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Lucis]
    #23523270 - 08/08/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh sorry, I jumped the gun on that one, my bad, there seems to be some legit discussion in this thread, as you were, I'll be reading this now. :hatsoff:


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    #23523285 - 08/08/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lol sorry guys, the pub seems to have upgraded to legitimate knowledgeable discussion since I was last here.

Last time I was keen on upping my knowlegde and I came here I just ended up wasting my time reading a whole bunch of rubbish.

Or it may just be this thread in particular, who knows, I don't frequent the pub.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: koods]
    #23524208 - 08/09/16 08:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Koods, there is a difference between an acidic food and and an acidifying food just as there is a difference between an alkaline food and an alkalizing food.

In fact, they are often the exact opposite of each other.

For example, red meat is in itself alkaline but has an acidifying effect in the body as a result of how it is broken down by metabolism.

Likewise lemons are extremely acidic in themselves but are very alkalizing in their post metabolic effects.

It's not As simple As eating acidic foods is acidifying and eating alkaline foods is alkalizing.

Refer again to the quote in my previous post.


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Moonshoe is making shit up. Fruits and vegetables are very acidic. I ever heard anyone claim eating too many fruits and vegetables causes your bones too leech calcium.




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The researchers note that fruits and vegetables are predominantly metabolized to alkaline bicarbonate"


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    #23524266 - 08/09/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodborneIllnessContaminants/CausesOfIllnessBadBugBook/ucm122561.htm

There are a few things worth mentioning from this list...

1. Almost all vegetables/fruit are on the acidic side of things, with most fruit being quite acidic.
2. Meat is also acidic, though not as acidic as most vegetables/fruit.
3. About the only alkaline foods are bakery products (crackers and cake especially) and eggs.

Now I am not really sure what point you are trying to make here, except maybe that vegetables are good for you, and meat is bad. While I won't pretend to ignore the multitude of studies that show bad effects from meat, I also won't pretend to think it has anything to do with the acidity/alkalinity of the food itself. The range is simply too overlapping for it to be the cause of the ill effects. I also know that is you were to ask any of the researchers involved, none of them would say that it boils down to something so simple.

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    #23524362 - 08/09/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My point is extremely simple and I've already laid it out clearly, point by point, with supporting scientific evidence cited , more than once, with repeated clarifications of things that were already pretty simple.

I literally just explained in my previous post, and you evidently didn't read or
Comprehend it.

It's not about whether the food is alkaline or acidic in and of itself it's about whether it has an alkalizing or acidifying effect in the body once metabolized.

When you have too much acidifying food (which may be alkaline in and of itself but metabolizes into acidifying byproducts ) then your body compensates by leaching calcium From your bones , which is not desirable.

I literally just explained this again in My last post so reread it because I already answered what you are saying.

This is not my own idea nor is it any kind of new age theory. It's legitimate Proven medical science and I have already quoted the supporting evidence.

I also already clearly and repeatedly explained that I was not saying that the negative health effects of meat are because it is acidic (except that metabolizing excessive protein does release acidifying metabolites which result in leaching calcium from bones )

Trendal, you really did an astonishingly poor job of reading comprehension in this thread. I can only assume you skipped reading most of the posts entirely in addition to misreading and misunderstanding whatever you did attempt to read.

If you go back and actually read this thread carefully you will see how redundant your post was and how thoroughly I already explained your erroneous points.


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    #23525812 - 08/09/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Really? Scientifically proven? Then you won't mind referencing some primary scientific sources? Actual peer-reviewed studies...newspaper articles don't count :smirk:

What, for example, does meat actually metabolize into? Give me some actual chemical names, not "an acidifying substance".


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    #23525852 - 08/09/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

From the article you posted:

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At the same time, researchers at the Yale School of Medicine are studying the possible bone benefits of adding protein supplements to the diets of older Americans who habitually consume low levels of protein.
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By contrast, Dr. Insogna said that although eating more protein raised the loss of calcium in urine, it also improved intestinal absorption of calcium and thus might not result in bone loss.




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All this is beside the point, which I read one poster allude to earlier in this thread: it is our lungs that run the primary balance of ph in the blood. Carbon dioxide is acidic, so if the lungs remove or add it to the blood, it will have an immediate effect on the bloods ph.


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Why do you keep insisting that I haven't read something? That's pretty much all I do: read :smirk:


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This suggests that increasing the alkali content of the diet may attenuate bone loss in healthy older adults.


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    #23525889 - 08/09/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Pretty sure the benefits of eating alkaline food are primarily associated with the fact that you're eating more vegetables. Your blood maintains a very specific range of acidity/alkalinity that won't really change no matter what you eat, and if it does your health is gonna be fucked up, cuz I don't think your body's organisms can really live outside that range of alkalinity.


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    #23525906 - 08/09/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That's what I'm thinkin too. So much conflicting info on diet it's hard to rely on much, I pretty much just don't eat carbs unless they're coming from vegetables and some nuts. That's it. Working well so far :shrug:


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Pretty sure the benefits of eating alkaline food are primarily associated with the fact that you're eating more vegetables. Your blood maintains a very specific range of acidity/alkalinity that won't really change no matter what you eat, and if it does your health is gonna be fucked up, cuz I don't think your body's organisms can really live outside that range of alkalinity.




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    #23525991 - 08/09/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It is proven that in order to balance PH the body will use calcium carbonate from the bones.

The body has to maintain the internal PH within a very fine balance because it can't survive otherwise.

Calcium carbonate is a powerful alkalizing agent which is why antacids like Tums use it as the active ingredient.

So when you eat an acidifying diet, your body has to balance the PH. In order to do so it uses the calcium carbonate in the bones.

This was all explained in the article.

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    #23526000 - 08/09/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Don't vegans have weaker bones though?


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It is proven that in order to balance PH the body will use calcium carbonate from the bones.

The body has to maintain the internal PH within a very fine balance because it can't survive otherwise.

Calcium carbonate is a powerful alkalizing agent which is why antacids like Tums use it as the active ingredient.

So when you eat an acidifying diet, your body has to balance the PH. In order to do so it uses the calcium carbonate in the bones.

This was all explained in the article.

The reason I keep saying you haven't read things is because you keep demonstrating by what you post that you haven't carefully read this thread, requiring me to repeat myself.



this makes sense. though I do wonder about eminence's question in lieu of your explanation since the general understanding for bone weakness is lack of calcium. I suppose there simply isn't enough or as much calcium available in a vegan diet.


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    #23526012 - 08/09/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I am not sure. I haven't heard that and don't know if that is true or not.

As I understand it many western people get an excess of animal protein, resulting in calcium loss and osteoporosis/weaker bones.

But people who get no/very little animal protein might have weaker bones for other reasons. I don't know for sure.


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Koods, there is a difference between an acidic food and and an acidifying food just as there is a difference between an alkaline food and an alkalizing food.

In fact, they are often the exact opposite of each other.

For example, red meat is in itself alkaline but has an acidifying effect in the body as a result of how it is broken down by metabolism.

Likewise lemons are extremely acidic in themselves but are very alkalizing in their post metabolic effects.

It's not As simple As eating acidic foods is acidifying and eating alkaline foods is alkalizing.

Refer again to the quote in my previous post.





this!

foods that are alkaline have an "alkaline ash" and foods that are considered have an "acidic ash"


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Moonshoe said:
Koods, there is a difference between an acidic food and and an acidifying food just as there is a difference between an alkaline food and an alkalizing food.

In fact, they are often the exact opposite of each other.

For example, red meat is in itself alkaline but has an acidifying effect in the body as a result of how it is broken down by metabolism.

Likewise lemons are extremely acidic in themselves but are very alkalizing in their post metabolic effects.

It's not As simple As eating acidic foods is acidifying and eating alkaline foods is alkalizing.

Refer again to the quote in my previous post.





this!

foods that are alkaline have an "alkaline ash" and foods that are considered have an "acidic ash"




Correct.

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    #23526056 - 08/09/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

how come when i have heart burn from too many cigaretes eating alkaline forming foods like oranges make it go away very quick?

how come when i eat green apples before my adderal it absorbs much better and gets me way higher?


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:thumbup:

I am sure a properly planned, well balanced vegetarian diet wouldn't lead to weaker bones, but many vegetarians/vegans are deficient in some important nutrients.

I respect and appreciate vegetarians and vegans for their discipline and I think there is a huge amount to comend about a reduced/no meat diet if properly planned and executed.

However, I am not a vegetarian or vegan and eat a high meat diet. My aim is simply to not eat any factory farmed meat and to eat only wild/game meat such as elk, bison, fresh water fish, venison, shellfish etc, and to eat no pork, beef, chicken etc that is factory farmed in inhumane conditions.

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how come when i have heart burn from too many cigaretes eating alkaline forming foods like oranges make it go away very quick?

how come when i eat green apples before my adderal it absorbs much better and gets me way higher?




I would assume heart burn is from excess stomach acidity, and alkaline foods neutralize acidity.


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how come when i have heart burn from too many cigaretes eating alkaline forming foods like oranges make it go away very quick?

how come when i eat green apples before my adderal it absorbs much better and gets me way higher?



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how come when i have heart burn from too many cigaretes eating alkaline forming foods like oranges make it go away very quick?

how come when i eat green apples before my adderal it absorbs much better and gets me way higher?




I would assume heart burn is from excess stomach acidity, and alkaline foods neutralize acidity.





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    #23526150 - 08/09/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If I get heartburn, fruit sure as shit doesn't help me like some tums do.


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If I get heartburn, fruit sure as shit doesn't help me like some tums do.




tums just treats the side effects of over acidicity....

consider trying this next time....eat a bunch of alkaline forming foods, then you won't get heart burn.  or at least try and keep it balanced between acid and alkaline forming foods....


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Yea, my point is you can't live off an acidic diet, which is comprised of most everything except for fruits and veggies. We all eat a somewhat alkaline diet.




I read an report from Vilhjalmur_Stefansson that was very interesting, he lived with the eskimos off and on for five years
and adapted to their diet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilhjalmur_Stefansson

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Stefansson documented the fact that the Inuit diet consisted of about 90% meat and fish; Inuit would often go 6 to 9 months a year eating nothing but meat and fish—what was perceived to have been a no-carbohydrate diet. He found that he and his fellow explorers of European descent were also perfectly healthy on such a diet."

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I ate a mostly acidic diet until recently and honestly if it affected me all that negatively, other than being overweight, I didn't notice it.


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I ate a mostly acidic diet until recently and honestly if it affected me all that negatively, other than being overweight, I didn't notice it.




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    #23526313 - 08/09/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

We used to get calceum from veg and the water we drank. eople are doing pretty, well, terrible. I assume we could be worse off considering our diets tend to be meat and sugar with some veg on the side.
I dont even think meat is bad for health, but people dont knw what their bodies need


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We used to get calceum from veg and the water we drank. eople are doing pretty, well, terrible. I assume we could be worse off considering our diets tend to be meat and sugar with some veg on the side.
I dont even think meat is bad for health, but people dont knw what their bodies need




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I ate a mostly acidic diet until recently and honestly if it affected me all that negatively, other than being overweight, I didn't notice it.




it shows



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I ate a mostly acidic diet until recently and honestly if it affected me all that negatively, other than being overweight, I didn't notice it.




it shows



Yes, my diet changes do show, thanks for noticing






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    #23526368 - 08/09/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I eat alkaline dumbass. you fail at reading comprehension

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I ate a mostly acidic diet until recently




my diet consists of vegetables and meat. kale, spinach, cucumbers, onions, avocados, beef, salmon, peanut butter. that's pretty much it. nice try though.

if I lost 30lbs I would be a 140lb skinny little bitch. no thank you.


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I eat alkaline dumbass. you fail at reading comprehension

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I ate a mostly acidic diet until recently




my diet consists of vegetables and meat. kale, spinach, cucumbers, onions, avocados, beef, salmon, peanut butter. that's pretty much it. nice try though.

if I lost 30lbs I would be a 140lb skinny little bitch. no thank you.





avocados are a fruit, and you probably don't even have 140 pounds of lean body mass in that pic you posted


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He looks healthy to me.
all of those foods are delicious.
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If I get heartburn, fruit sure as shit doesn't help me like some tums do.




tums just treats the side effects of over acidicity....

consider trying this next time....eat a bunch of alkaline forming foods, then you won't get heart burn.  or at least try and keep it balanced between acid and alkaline forming foods....




I pretty much never get heartburn, I don't even know how long it's been since the last time..and my diet mainly consists of meat, fat, and vegetables. I don't even eat fruit


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He looks healthy to me.
all of those foods are delicious.
holy fuck what a rude poster



his entire account is a troll account, started with a thread intended to parody my thread and put me down in the process, and for someone reason he has continued to post under the account and take every available opportunity to ridicule


also oh no god forbid you eat a healthy fruit that is high in the unsaturated fats that are necessary to absorb the nutrients you eat from vegetables and meat


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    #23526443 - 08/09/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Report him and let him be banned


Ill troll also




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sam harris is wrong about free will


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    #23526462 - 08/09/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

sam harrs is great. Just released a new podcast. More important then consistantly being right is intellegent honest discussion


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: yestersaved]
    #23526473 - 08/09/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wait I just noticed your comment to Morrowasted about eating alkaline to avoid being skinny fat, and your other comment about peoples' meat addiction. What? The best way to lose fat without muscle, diet-wise, is to eat high protein and sufficient fat. Idk enough about this alkaline vs acidic stuff to know if I'm understanding you 100%, but if you're saying avoiding meat and eating more fruits and vegetables is the best way to get shredded without losing LBM, you're so wrong.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23526475 - 08/09/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, it's his method of thinking that I adore. I consider him to be one of the few free-thinkers I can depend on for quality ruminations on current issues


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Eminence]
    #23526477 - 08/09/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Wait I just noticed your comment to Morrowasted about eating alkaline to avoid being skinny fat, and your other comment about peoples' meat addiction. What? The best way to lose fat without muscle, diet-wise, is to eat high protein and sufficient fat. Idk enough about this alkaline vs acidic stuff to know if I'm understanding you 100%, but if you're saying avoiding meat and eating more fruits and vegetables is the best way to get shredded without losing LBM, you're so wrong.



Dude he is just trying to get under my skin


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: morrowasted]
    #23526495 - 08/09/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I enjoy his point of view, though I like him more when he gets upset, which he needed to do to Cenk Uyger, not Kyle Kulinski after the fact.

I thught it was high fat sufficient protein. i heard too much can be very unhealthy.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Eminence]
    #23526515 - 08/09/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Wait I just noticed your comment to Morrowasted about eating alkaline to avoid being skinny fat, and your other comment about peoples' meat addiction. What? The best way to lose fat without muscle, diet-wise, is to eat high protein and sufficient fat. Idk enough about this alkaline vs acidic stuff to know if I'm understanding you 100%, but if you're saying avoiding meat and eating more fruits and vegetables is the best way to get shredded without losing LBM, you're so wrong.




listen to the jimmy buffet song cheeseburger in paradise.

he talks about amending his carnivorous habits, he made it nearly 70 days.

losin' weight without speed eatin' sunflower seeds,

he was prob lean as fuck


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: yestersaved]
    #23526560 - 08/09/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Haha, oh god..I've had to endure way too much Jimmy Buffet growing up, no thanks. You're probably kidding altogether, but seriously, as nutritionally devoid as it probably is, the most muscle sparing and fastest cut I've ever done was low calorie, 90+% protein.


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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: morrowasted]
    #23526949 - 08/10/16 02:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Eminence said:
Wait I just noticed your comment to Morrowasted about eating alkaline to avoid being skinny fat, and your other comment about peoples' meat addiction. What? The best way to lose fat without muscle, diet-wise, is to eat high protein and sufficient fat. Idk enough about this alkaline vs acidic stuff to know if I'm understanding you 100%, but if you're saying avoiding meat and eating more fruits and vegetables is the best way to get shredded without losing LBM, you're so wrong.



Dude he is just trying to get under my skin





my bad man, i owe ya an apology....i seen ur pics in the pubber thread, keep up the good work.


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