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Actually, the body always maintains its alkalinity within a narrow band so that regardless Of how acidic/alkaline your diet, your ph always stays almost the same.
However, when your diet is too acidic, your body leeches Calcium from your bones in order to compensate.
Therefore, although an alkaline diet doesn't actually change your body's PH, it is not bunk.
If your diet is too acidic your bones get leeched of calcium with negative effects.
Plus many highly acidifying foods such as alcohol and red meat increase cancer Risk while alkalizing foods like vegetables reduce cancer Risk.
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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: goop]
#23522377 - 08/08/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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goop said: I read that the body is unaffected by eating ot drinking alkaline things.
Theres some quacks that think you can cure cancer by drinking a bunch of baking soda, but there's a bunch of people who seem to have debunked thus myth
Great way to take too much sodium.
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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Moonshoe]
#23522380 - 08/08/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Actually, the body always maintains its alkalinity within a narrow band so that regardless Of how acidic/alkaline your diet, your ph always stays almost the same.
However, when your diet is too acidic, your body leeches Calcium from your bones in order to compensate.
Therefore, although an alkaline diet doesn't actually change your body's PH, it is not bunk.
If your diet is too acidic your bones get leeched of calcium with negative effects.
Plus many highly acidifying foods such as alcohol and red meat increase cancer Risk while alkalizing foods like vegetables reduce cancer Risk.
Wut. Red meat and alcohol are way more neutral than vegetables and fruit, which can be extremely acidic.
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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Moonshoe] 2
#23522399 - 08/08/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Actually, the body always maintains its alkalinity within a narrow band so that regardless Of how acidic/alkaline your diet, your ph always stays almost the same.
However, when your diet is too acidic, your body leeches Calcium from your bones in order to compensate.
Therefore, although an alkaline diet doesn't actually change your body's PH, it is not bunk.
If your diet is too acidic your bones get leeched of calcium with negative effects.
Plus many highly acidifying foods such as alcohol and red meat increase cancer Risk while alkalizing foods like vegetables reduce cancer Risk.
Wrong, it's completely bunk. it has nothing to do with the acidity of your foods and drink. alcohol metabolizes to acetaldehyde, a known carcinogen, and i'm fairly certain meats (particularly red meats) are probably carcinogenic due to the iron binding more closely to hemoglobin, the iron being a source of free radicals http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1820488
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YaMoonSun said: Anyone actively partaking in a alkaline diet? How's that working out for ya? 
It's bunk, and anyone else that tells you otherwise is a retard. Your kidneys and lungs regulate the pH of your blood - your lungs at a quicker rate than your kidneys.
You're retarded... They may regulate PH but obviously the more alkaline things you consume, the more alkaline your PH.
Oh yeah? tell me what the pH of your stomach acid is, smart guy. Your stomach produces hydrochloric acid... which is more acidic than anything you're gonna put in your body. You have no idea what you're talking about, lol. Neither does Moonshoe
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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: 404]
#23522420 - 08/08/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I didn't say that the reason alcohol or red meat is carcinogenic is because it is acidifying.
That your body leeches calcium from your bones to balance your PH when you eat too much acidic food is true.
The link you posted has no relevance to anything I said.
If you have a source disproving that your body leeches calcium from your bones when your diet is overly acidic I would like to see it.
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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Moonshoe]
#23522438 - 08/08/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you have a viable source that backs up your original claim - one that shows that calcium being leeched from your bones from, let's say drinking coffee or orange juice, causes cancer - I'd like to see it as well
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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: 404]
#23522451 - 08/08/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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He never did claim that calcium leaching from bones caused cancer... osteoporosis isn't cancer but does suck.
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You're right, he did however say
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Plus many highly acidifying foods such as alcohol and red meat increase cancer Risk while alkalizing foods like vegetables reduce cancer Risk.
the pH being what he attributed the risk of cancer to.
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idunno are beer and hot dogs alkaline?
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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: 404]
#23522485 - 08/08/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would say that correlation does not imply causation.
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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: 404]
#23522507 - 08/08/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You are incorrect 404.
What I said was that when you eat an acidic diet your body compensates by leaching calcium from your bones to normalize PH, and therefore a more alkaline diet does indeed have benefits for bone health and thus is not "complete bunk"
I also said many acidifying foods are also carcinogenic. I did not say the reason they are carcinogenic is because they are acidic or has anything to do with PH.
Likewise I pointed out that many alkaline foods have anti cancer properties, but never said the reason for their anti cancer properties is because they are alkaline.
I even clarified that already in my last post.
"Bones are the storage tank for calcium compounds that regulate the acid-base balance of the blood, which must be maintained within a very narrow range. When the blood becomes even slightly too acid, alkaline calcium compounds — like calcium carbonate, the acid-neutralizer in Tums — are leached from bones to reduce the acidity.
Studies by Dr. Bess Dawson-Hughes, at the Jean Mayer U.S.D.A. Human Nutrition Research Center on Aging at Tufts University, and collaborators have demonstrated the acid-neutralizing ability of fruits and vegetables and the crucial role they can play in maintaining healthy bones.
The researchers note that fruits and vegetables are predominantly metabolized to alkaline bicarbonate, whereas proteins and cereal grains are metabolized to acids. The more protein people consume beyond the body’s true needs, the more acidic their blood can become and the more alkaline compounds are needed to neutralize the acid."
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/11/24/health/24brod.html?_r=2
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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: badchad]
#23522697 - 08/08/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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badchad said: What is it that an alkaline diet is attempting to change? The pH of human blood has to remain really stable, or it causes problems. On the other hand, the stomach remains highly acidic.
I'm curious if there are any actual data supporting the benefits of an alkaline diet.
There's not. One of the guys that made it popular has a website touting all these benefits. Guy has a phD, so people took him seriously. We researched the guy in a nutrition class, and it turns out that he bought that phD from a diploma mill & had no background of research or science in general.
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Again, there is a legitimate reason why a more alkaline diet has health benefits - it reduce the risk of calcium depletion in the bones .
And it's also true that if you choose your foods to be more alkaline you will likely be choosing a diet rich in fruit and vegetables And lower in red meat, alcohol, refined carbs and sugars, which will on average be a Healthier diet even though the reasons are not directly related to being alkaline.
It's like saying you should eat a diet rich in green foods. If you do so you will likely be eating more broccoli, kale, spinach, Brussels sprouts , lettuce and other vegetables which are very healthy even though its not the fact that they Are green which causes them to be healthy.
Being green is not the direct cause of the healthiness of vegetables, anymore than being alkaline is. But both are useful rules of thumb and following either will result in a diet that Is more healthy on Average.
A lot of alkalizing foods are also very healthy and a lot of acidifying foods are unhealthy. Therefore Increasing alkaline foods and decreasing acidifying foods is likely to increase the healthiness of your diet on average in many cases, even though the benefits of alkalizing food and the harms of the acidifying ones may be unrelated to their PH (aside from the bone density issues which ARE directly related to PH)
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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Moonshoe]
#23522854 - 08/08/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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This doesnt seem scientific. I supose its really more a vegan diet from what I read. It cold be healthy, but i dont know if the food eing alkaline is the reason.
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Moonshoe is making shit up. Fruits and vegetables are very acidic. I ever heard anyone claim eating too many fruits and vegetables causes your bones too leech calcium.
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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: koods]
#23522933 - 08/08/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its an electrolite, so if you dont have enough or drink liquid that flush it out without replenishing it and other electrolytes, it can be taken from bones. Soda, purified water, most water is deficient.
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Worth looking into, what about citrus though?
I know that basic foods are much better for you than acidic foods, although I don't know much about nutrition I just try and stay away from artificial crap and eat from the earth and only use entheogens for my daily intoxication/self development, ganja and shrooms being my favorite. I don't use drugs anymore and never will again.
Nutrition is something I must look into really.
If anyone knows anything about nutrition or can point me in the right direction that would be most appreciated.
Wrong forum though YaMoonSun, your query would be better suited here, pubfags usually bring fuckall to the table except lame inside jokes, waste of educational time. Although I have not read this thread yet so I may be jumping the gun, but this is just my general observation. 
Try posting here your query here, I think it would be better suited, and I for one would like to know aswell. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/42
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I don't partake in any diets, I just eat what makes me feel good.
I did buy two jugs of alkaline water earlier though.
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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Lucis]
#23523270 - 08/08/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh sorry, I jumped the gun on that one, my bad, there seems to be some legit discussion in this thread, as you were, I'll be reading this now.
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Re: Alkaline diet [Re: Hashed]
#23523285 - 08/08/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol sorry guys, the pub seems to have upgraded to legitimate knowledgeable discussion since I was last here.
Last time I was keen on upping my knowlegde and I came here I just ended up wasting my time reading a whole bunch of rubbish.
Or it may just be this thread in particular, who knows, I don't frequent the pub.
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