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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23525698 - 08/09/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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But our country doesn't explicitly approve of it.  Bringing in people from countries that DO condone it as a right is where the concern comes in, and trying to invalidate that concern by pointing to a different albeit similar subject serves to disarm the discussion and change the focus.





it's not trying to circumvent the topic at hand.  it's completely related. 


that being said, if/when these people are brought in, and if/when they don't assimilate enough to even follow the laws of the respective municipality/county/state/country, they will be held responsible for their actions. 

while personally i prefer isolationism, that will likely never be a reality in this country, especially since this country has a long history of immigration.  since this is the case, people have to be (or will be) given a chance.  and even though i don't believe this is true, this country also likes to espouse "innocent until proven guilty"


not all Muslims support the fundamental beliefs of those that are having sex with children or sexually assaulting women or assaulting homosexuals, etc...


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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #23525709 - 08/09/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Even if a majority of them don't actually go out and commit rapes, I am still very concerned if they consider it normal to have rape apologist beliefs or sexist tendencies in their culture.

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It's a question that many women in Germany are asking themselves in the wake of Cologne. There is myriad anecdotal evidence of German women experiencing the culture clash firsthand. There are reports of men who refuse to shake hands with women. Some female teachers have to deal with fathers of students who refuse to speak to them, or parents who don't want a woman teaching their child. And there are instances in the business world where men refuse to work with women and demand that a woman's male superior be appointed as their point of contact in dealings. "This macho culture can already be found in Germany," says Ahmad Mansour, a Palestinian-Israeli who works as a psychologist focused on integration issues.




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The Erich Gutenberg College is a trade school in Mülheim, an economically underdeveloped district in Cologne. Two-thirds of the students here are first- or second-generation immigrants, and most are Muslim. A few days after the incidents in Cologne on New Year's Eve, in which a large crowd of men with supposed immigrant backgrounds harassed and sexually assaulted women in the city's main train station, a female teacher stood in front of her class at the school and tried to talk to her students about that night's events.

She was horrified by their reaction. "What exactly do you want?" one of the students shouted. "That's what women can expect if they walk around there at night!" No one in the classroom protested. The girls were silent. "They have their thoughts on the issue, but they often say nothing," says the school's principal, Rolf Wohlgemuth. After the incident, he went into the teacher's classroom and tried to explain to the students that the government protects the rights of everyone, including women. He is skeptical that the message will have a lasting impact on all the students.




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Representatives of official Muslim religious organizations claim that discrimination and violence against women have nothing to do with Islam. "Islam assumes that woman and man are equal before God and the law," says Aiman Mazyek, chairman of the Central Council of Muslims in Germany. It is true that Islam and patriarchy are not inevitably intertwined, and because Islam has no supreme leader like the pope who can establish a binding interpretation, the religion permits a liberal interpretation of the Koran. In reality, however, the global Muslim mainstream has very different notions of equality than the West, and the Koran is often used to justify patriarchal and misogynistic convictions.

In predominantly Muslim regions, the state of women's rights is especially troubling. Polling indicates that the majority of Muslims do not take it for granted that men and women have the same rights. The Pew Research Center in Washington surveyed 38,000 Muslims between 2008 and 2012. More than half -- and a whopping 87 percent in the Middle East and North Africa -- held the view that a woman should always obey her husband. In fact, only a quarter of those questioned in the Middle East and North Africa felt that daughters and sons should inherit equal shares of their parents' money, and only a third said that women have the right to get divorced.




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"Muslim offenders often have a problem accepting female judges," says one judge from Hamburg. She claims they treat her with contempt, and use gestures or facial expressions to show that they do not respect a woman in her position. A female flight attendant says she "often has problems with Muslim men working as ground personnel." To avoid unpleasant situations, she says, crews often decide to send a male coworker instead.

Female German Federal Police officers who process immigrants at the border with Austria say that men ignore or berate them. Some spit on the ground in front of them, says one officer. "That sometimes requires a more robust effort."

The personnel manager for a company in the southwestern state of Baden-Württemberg remembers how a male employee snapped at her, saying that she, as a "German woman," had no business telling him what to do. On another occasion, an employee asked to meet with a male colleague instead of her. "I have nothing against you," he said, "but where I'm from, this is handled by men."




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Sineb El Masrar was born in Hanover in 1981, the daughter of Moroccan immigrants. She's also a member of the German Islam Conference and a pioneer in the Islamic women's movement. Her book "Emancipation in Islam -- a Reckoning with Its Enemies," is set to be published in Germany next month. "There is a misogyny, a hatred for women," she says.




http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/sexism-and-islam-debated-in-germany-after-cologne-attacks-a-1073751.html


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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: demiu5]
    #23525725 - 08/09/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The ones making the laws for Islam DO approve of it.



HE says they practice Sharia in their community in Florida.  If you listen to what the professor says, he is endorsing cutting off hands... The guy next to him tries to do damage control when the crowd disapproves and says the professor was talking about ISIS but his statement is very clear he is suggesting that Sharia would be superior to the US law and he admits that his community abides by Sharia.






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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #23525732 - 08/09/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Refugees are escaping these countries. Why would you believe they support their policies?

https://www.globalfundforwomen.org/refugee-crisis-rozinas-story/

What about these Syrians and Iraqis who have escaped Isis territory because of the rape: you want to send them back?


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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23525742 - 08/09/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So, basically, Germany has given into the cultures of these immigrants, or at the very least, not equally enforced standing laws?


in court, if a defendant is acting out of line, they are generally placed in court-custody.  why does this judge not do the same?  if female teachers are being disrespected, why are the students causing problems not being disciplined?  if the higher-ups of companies are having to deal with employees disrespecting women, or refusing to do business with women, why are they not either disciplined or fired?


this seems like a really simple situation.  if the people don't want to abandon their culture, they need to go somewhere that will accommodate then or go back home

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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23525743 - 08/09/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The evidence is clear, the majority, even if they don't practice it, approve of it. I was in Indonesia a few years ago and of course the topic of 9/11 came up, they had no reservations of informing me that our country deserved what it got, other than that, they were friendly to me and were not hostile to me personally, the ones I talked to were not jihadi's, but they approved of people that were, this reminds me of the same thing


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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23525751 - 08/09/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The ones making the laws for Islam DO approve of it.



HE says they practice Sharia in their community in Florida.  If you listen to what the professor says, he is endorsing cutting off hands... The guy next to him tries to do damage control when the crowd disapproves and says the professor was talking about ISIS but his statement is very clear he is suggesting that Sharia would be superior to the US law and he admits that his community abides by Sharia.










in the US, Islamic law has no bearing.  If these people are breaking laws in Florida, they need to pay the consequences.  it's very simple.


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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: koods] * 1
    #23525761 - 08/09/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Refugees are escaping these countries. Why would you believe they support their policies?




Because they are raping the women and exploiting social services in the countries they flee to.

Two of the videos I posted were from Florida.  The other was in Europe and the whole crowd (except one white dude who was appeared to be a guest) approved of killing apostates and gays.  One of the men sitting on the stage in the last video is a well-known speaker in the Islamic world.  You can find him in debates all over youtube.  They have set up a parallel society with no-go zones and are doing the same here.

Islam is a religion of conquest.


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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23525762 - 08/09/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The evidence is clear, the majority, even if they don't practice it, approve of it. I was in Indonesia a few years ago and of course the topic of 9/11 came up, they had no reservations of informing me that our country deserved what it got, other than that, they were friendly to me and were not hostile to me personally, the ones I talked to were not jihadi's, but they approved of people that were, this reminds me of the same thing




So in reality, it's not about the paedophelia, it's about the Muslim religon.  Did you know, you both use the Old and New Testaments in your belief systems?


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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23525763 - 08/09/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Comparing the US to Europe is totally disingenuous. The US gets to vet these refugees for suitability. European countries do not have that luxury.


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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: KenInVic]
    #23525773 - 08/09/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



I have no "religious belief system" I'm just smart enough to see that dismissing Muslim crimes becuase Christians are guilty of some too is total BS


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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23525789 - 08/09/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I have no "religious belief system" I'm just smart enough to see that dismissing Muslim crimes becuase Christians are guilty of some too is total BS






again, who has either dismissed their crimes or defended them?


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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23525794 - 08/09/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The ones making the laws for Islam DO approve of it.



HE says they practice Sharia in their community in Florida.  If you listen to what the professor says, he is endorsing cutting off hands... The guy next to him tries to do damage control when the crowd disapproves and says the professor was talking about ISIS but his statement is very clear he is suggesting that Sharia would be superior to the US law and he admits that his community abides by Sharia.










Here's a Christian preacher justifying men marrying 12 year old girls


You can probably find videos of leaders from every religion justifying this kind of behavior. Remember the refugees are escaping places where rape is more accepted. Some of them are escaping because they have been subject to rape.
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I have no "religious belief system" I'm just smart enough to see that dismissing Muslim crimes becuase Christians are guilty of some too is total BS



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I have no "religious belief system" I'm just smart enough to see that dismissing Muslim crimes becuase Christians are guilty of some too is total BS




So a 7 year old Muslim molesting a 5 year old is Muslim crime? Do you have any proof that religion has anything to do with the crime?


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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: demiu5]
    #23525798 - 08/09/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So, basically, Germany has given into the cultures of these immigrants, or at the very least, not equally enforced standing laws?


in court, if a defendant is acting out of line, they are generally placed in court-custody.  why does this judge not do the same?  if female teachers are being disrespected, why are the students causing problems not being disciplined?  if the higher-ups of companies are having to deal with employees disrespecting women, or refusing to do business with women, why are they not either disciplined or fired?


this seems like a really simple situation.  if the people don't want to abandon their culture, they need to go somewhere that will accommodate then or go back home

:shrug:




Yes, they are afraid to stand up for their own culture because they have been indoctrinated to believe that they would be racist if they stood against someone of a different culture.  And some of the people in this thread show symptoms of the same indoctrination.


And as for the video of the "preacher justifying 12-year olds"

That is wrong too.  So it doesn't negate anything that is being discussed in this thread.


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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23525813 - 08/09/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So, basically, Germany has given into the cultures of these immigrants, or at the very least, not equally enforced standing laws?


in court, if a defendant is acting out of line, they are generally placed in court-custody.  why does this judge not do the same?  if female teachers are being disrespected, why are the students causing problems not being disciplined?  if the higher-ups of companies are having to deal with employees disrespecting women, or refusing to do business with women, why are they not either disciplined or fired?


this seems like a really simple situation.  if the people don't want to abandon their culture, they need to go somewhere that will accommodate then or go back home

:shrug:




Yes, they are afraid to stand up for their own culture because they have been indoctrinated to believe that they would be racist if they stood against someone of a different culture. 







then they're idiots.  especially considering religious discrimination is not racism (ethnic discrimination)


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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #23525814 - 08/09/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Because they are raping the women and exploiting social services in the countries they flee to.




Lol have you seen the videos of refugees complaining. Refugees are complaining because their bed sheets weren't changed every 10 days, they are demanding plasma TV's, and they complain that the food they are given is bad. One guy is asking the Dutch government to give him money so he can buy smokes.

This girl would rather die in Syria because she doesn't have a TV and hates the food :lol:





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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23525824 - 08/09/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes, they are afraid to stand up for their own culture because they have been indoctrinated to believe that they would be racist if they stood against someone of a different culture.  And some of the people in this thread show symptoms of the same indoctrination.


And as for the video of the "preacher justifying 12-year olds"

That is wrong too.  So it doesn't negate anything that is being discussed in this thread.




That's not true, a wave of Neo-Nazi and right wing protests have been occurring in Germany ever since Cologne happened. Sometimes these people gather in the hundreds of thousands or even millions to march the streets.

Also, my friends in Germany say now the media is starting to show a different side to refugees. Before it would be that you couldn't say anything bad about them, but now they are finally starting to publicize the crimes they are committing and the problems they are causing in the media.


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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23525826 - 08/09/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

fuck those self-entitled people in that video

they are as useless as the homeless person that asks for handouts then yells at you for not giving them enough


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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: koods]
    #23525831 - 08/09/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Comparing the US to Europe is totally disingenuous. The US gets to vet these refugees for suitability. European countries do not have that luxury.




That is true, Muslims in the USA are not as fanatical or anywhere near as bad as Europe. A lot of Muslim women in the USA don't wear religious wear and tend to be more secular with their religion. Partially too, also because in the USA the largest percentage of Muslims are black Americans.

A lot of them still do have conservative and sexist viewpoints however.


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Re: You know that little girl that was raped in Idaho? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23525851 - 08/09/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Why don't we look at some facts:

These are the states with the largest Muslim populations: California, New York, Illinois, New Jersey, Indiana, Michigan, Virginia, Texas, Ohio, and Maryland.

These are the states with the lowest rape rates: New Jersey, New York, Virginia, Vermont, North Carolina, Hawaii, California, Maryland.

I see a lot overlap here. Many of the least rapey states also have the largest Muslim populations.

Conversely, the most rapey state is the only state that doesn't have a single mosque: Alaska. Why does Alaska, which doesn't even have enough Muslims to support a single mosque have 7.5 times as many rapes per capita as New Jersey, which has 56 mosques?


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