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Re: just a few marbles i made [Re: nooneman]
#23576000 - 08/25/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: $350 seems like a lot for a marble. How big are they, and how much do the materials cost?
and not to be a dick, but if you were selling paintings or music, i'd not inquire about materials and time required.
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Re: just a few marbles i made [Re: istandalone]
#23576023 - 08/25/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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From a business perspective, any cost past the material plus the time involved to make it is profit. You will actually make more money by selling more marbles for less money if the material cost is low (which I suspect it is).
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Re: just a few marbles i made [Re: istandalone]
#23576025 - 08/25/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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People frequently inquire about the materials and time involved to make art. In fact, it's normally listed directly next to the artwork.
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Re: just a few marbles i made [Re: nooneman] 1
#23576042 - 08/25/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your work reminds me of my homies
He gifted me this marble for my birthday, its got a few different crystals in it that i can't remember.

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Re: just a few marbles i made [Re: nooneman]
#23576269 - 08/25/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Big Worm said: Your work reminds me of my homies

This reminds me of the early sulphide marbles.
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nooneman said: $350 seems like a lot for a marble. How big are they, and how much do the materials cost?
I used to collect marbles, handmade paperweights, and early American glass. The price is not out of line at all. If you look at some of the more modern glass workers who really brought glass back into the spotlight, like say, Josh Simpson, good glass demands a premium. It is art but I find it to more in line with jewelry than artwork. Jewelry that is expertly crafted and has an amazing design will still demand a high price even if it's silver and copper, or even more pedestrian materials.
I personally haven't paid that much for a marble, only because I didn't have the cash, but I have sold marbles, and glass that I've bought for cheap for that much and more.
My uncle is an avid early American pressed glass collector. He's one of the top people in the field and has museums call him to help identify glass they're unsure of. I've seen him buy something for 500 and sell it for 3 grand.
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I have a homie that has oil rigs that cost over $15,000. Probably closed to $40,000 in glass with all of his pieces.
He has a few Joe Peters pieces and these dope Voodoo Doll ones that I can't remember the artist, that go for a few thousand. And a bunch of other ones.
He just sold one a couple weeks ago for $12,000.
$350 for a dope marble, from a reputable artist, is not crazy at all.
From a consumer aspect, thinking about the actual cost of material, of course it doesn't cost that much.
But it's marketing and reputation.
Edit: This is the piece my buddy sold for $12k

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Re: just a few marbles i made [Re: Big Worm]
#23576689 - 08/25/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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thank you^^^
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Re: just a few marbles i made [Re: nooneman]
#23576706 - 08/25/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: People frequently inquire about the materials and time involved to make art. In fact, it's normally listed directly next to the artwork.
i've never once seen a painting or sculpture with a price tag that also states the amt of time it took to craft the piece, and the amt of time it takes to learn the medium. honestly, that's just silly. materials used, borosilicate glass, gilson opal, .9999 fine silver, a ton of oxygen and fuel, a $3k torch, another $3k in tools/tooling, $1500 kiln, and easily spent $10k in raw glass in the last four years.
but i'll revert to my original point. you don't see stuff like this listed with a recipe. you have the piece, or representative pics of said piece, and a price tag. no laundry list.
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Re: just a few marbles i made [Re: istandalone]
#23577248 - 08/25/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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In museums, below the name of the painting, they list at the very least the materials used to create the painting, and often they also list details such as the amount of time it took to create, tools involved, or other relevant things like that.
The fact that you take offense to someone asking you about the materials involved shows you're a bit sensitive about this probably because it costs you almost nothing to make an individual marble. You don't have to hide the cost of production from the consumer. The consumer isn't going to produce such an item by themselves by definition (or they wouldn't be coming to you in the first place). Legos cost almost nothing to make, they're cheap plastic, and people buy the shit out of those despite prices being in the hundreds of dollars sometimes.
I was just trying to help you by suggesting that by lowering price you can actually increase overall profit. If your material costs are low, I would suggest lowering price because you'll make more money, not less. If your material cost is high, then I would suggest trying to lower your material costs.
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Re: just a few marbles i made [Re: istandalone]
#23577492 - 08/25/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just so you know (for future reference) any sane person wouldnt pay over 50$ FOR THEM, MAYBE 80 FOR THE GALAXY.
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Re: just a few marbles i made [Re: nooneman]
#23578609 - 08/26/16 05:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: In museums, below the name of the painting, they list at the very least the materials used to create the painting, and often they also list details such as the amount of time it took to create, tools involved, or other relevant things like that.
The fact that you take offense to someone asking you about the materials involved shows you're a bit sensitive about this probably because it costs you almost nothing to make an individual marble. You don't have to hide the cost of production from the consumer. The consumer isn't going to produce such an item by themselves by definition (or they wouldn't be coming to you in the first place). Legos cost almost nothing to make, they're cheap plastic, and people buy the shit out of those despite prices being in the hundreds of dollars sometimes.
I was just trying to help you by suggesting that by lowering price you can actually increase overall profit. If your material costs are low, I would suggest lowering price because you'll make more money, not less. If your material cost is high, then I would suggest trying to lower your material costs.
i'm a glass artist....i do not need to sell this to make or break my bank acct. that's how much large marbles cost. if you know nothing of studio glass/modern art (and those who suggest i lower my prices obviously know nothing about glass at all) then please keep your comments to yourselves.
also, glass isn't cheap. the tools and materials aren't cheap. again, you all (save for big worm) know fuck all about it.
the last thing you say to an artist or craftsman is "ya know what, you should either lower your prices or whatever, you'll sell more".
i only posted it here because others asked to see what i make. i have zero issues selling though my normal channels. if you don't like it, move on. otherwise, kindly take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.
i'm pretty sure if this piece "got you high" you'd all understand.....but i digress.
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Re: just a few marbles i made [Re: istandalone]
#23578611 - 08/26/16 05:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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also, nooneman, show me a pic of a painting or sculpture that lists the time it took to make, , the time it took to learn how to make, and the amt of $ in materials in tools. actually i defy you to post a pic of such an instance, because it won't happen.
price tag, materials used, and pics. that's an industry standard, and trust me, you aren't going to school me on that
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Re: just a few marbles i made [Re: nooneman]
#23578616 - 08/26/16 05:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: From a business perspective, any cost past the material plus the time involved to make it is profit. You will actually make more money by selling more marbles for less money if the material cost is low (which I suspect it is).
you sir, are a moron. this took a whole 8 hour day, and easily $100 in materials (when take electricity into acct for the annealing kiln). next to "big name artists" this is very well priced.
metal taco...you and probably the kind of person who buys a $15 pipe from the corner gas station....it's ok, i don't expect a bunch of drug addicts/enthusiasts to get it.
http://www.pbase.com/bkbowden/marblesforsale
take a browse, and tell me again how my prices are ridiculous in comparison. and if it sounds like i'm pissed, i'm not, it's just annoying to get the opinions of non educated tossers who know fuckall about glass and maybe one person who knows high end when they see it.
after all....do you go to a museum and knock them on the prices in the gift shop?
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Re: just a few marbles i made [Re: istandalone]
#23578634 - 08/26/16 05:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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350$ isnt much for a piece of art when "art" that required zero skill or thought process sells for millions.
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very true. "contemporary abstact crap" which is a couple of contrasting colors in a couple neat shapes, painted on canvas goes for millions.
pour my blood, sweat and tears into my marbles, and get dumped on by the uneducated. it's actually rather funny.
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Re: just a few marbles i made [Re: istandalone] 1
#23600096 - 09/01/16 06:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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both of these sold for MSRP, so to whomever was dogging my prices, again, please educate yourself before you tell me how to run my business 
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