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Natural ways to rid intense depression?
#23519249 - 08/07/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I feel like my last resort would be some sort of pill, I've seen people turn into lifeless zombies who never leave the house when they start on antidepressants. But I'm growing more desperate every day. I don't think I could act on the thought at this time, but not a day goes by when I don't think about the peace that death would bring. I don't want attention and I don't want anyone to feel bad for me, I just want to shake this off somehow.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23519289 - 08/07/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have you tried SAM-e? It's fuckin' worked wonders for me. No shitty side effects at all.
Asante has talked of one too.. Sarcosine. Might be worth a PM to him on that one.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23519327 - 08/07/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Exercise. As much as you can muster.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23519334 - 08/07/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Get to the root cause and grow past that. I found cannabis was useful yet didn't rid it when not smoking.
Rohdalia Rosea is a useful herb.
Treatment is the key. Gotta be careful though
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23519358 - 08/07/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: Exercise. As much as you can muster.

And quit the drugs.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Spiritwithin]
#23519364 - 08/07/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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CBT ... antidepressants don't "zombify" people... But meh St johns wart is a natural antidepressant
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Glameow] 2
#23519887 - 08/07/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Glameow said: CBT ... antidepressants don't "zombify" people...
I beg to differ.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23519894 - 08/07/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I found Paxil to be world changing and in a very bad way in the long run.
Wtf is a zombie?
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23520150 - 08/07/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Someone oh high doses of various pharmaceutical poisons IME.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23521900 - 08/08/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Someone oh high doses of various pharmaceutical poisons IME.
Man made drugs are usually just too damn potent. Nature doesn't usually concentrate a chemical so purely.
White lotus might be a good herbal to try. The active is a dopamine agonist while antagonizing seritonin. Something of a mix that nobody creates on purpose in a lab for treatments.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23522530 - 08/08/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: I feel like my last resort would be some sort of pill, I've seen people turn into lifeless zombies who never leave the house when they start on antidepressants. But I'm growing more desperate every day. I don't think I could act on the thought at this time, but not a day goes by when I don't think about the peace that death would bring. I don't want attention and I don't want anyone to feel bad for me, I just want to shake this off somehow. 
Cut the drugs for a bit and exercise a lot.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Spiritwithin] 2
#23523030 - 08/08/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: Exercise. As much as you can muster.

And quit the drugs.
I exercise daily(and work a lot outdoors, and spend time hiking) and the only drugs I do is mushrooms once or twice a year, not bullshitting whatsoever, I am clean and have been for a very long time. I don't smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol either.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#23523034 - 08/08/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Have you tried SAM-e? It's fuckin' worked wonders for me. No shitty side effects at all.
Asante has talked of one too.. Sarcosine. Might be worth a PM to him on that one.
Thanks I'll look into that right now.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23523940 - 08/09/16 02:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: I exercise daily(and work a lot outdoors, and spend time hiking) and the only drugs I do is mushrooms once or twice a year, not bullshitting whatsoever, I am clean and have been for a very long time. I don't smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol either.
Whats depressing you then?
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Spiritwithin]
#23523950 - 08/09/16 03:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Find something to OCD. Fishing(catch that species) rocks, sunsets,sunrise, photography, cycling, rocks, growing shit, anything and everything.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl] 1
#23523990 - 08/09/16 04:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I exercise daily(and work a lot outdoors, and spend time hiking) and the only drugs I do is mushrooms once or twice a year, not bullshitting whatsoever, I am clean and have been for a very long time. I don't smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol either.
Do you have friends you can go out and socialize with?
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: big_scrappy97]
#23523999 - 08/09/16 04:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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big_scrappy97 said: Do you have friends you can go out and socialize with?
Good question man.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23524085 - 08/09/16 06:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are you really smart?
Sometimes smart people exaggerate life's problems because they need challenges.
Or at least, they need to have a HUGE life.
You may need to expand dramatically...
Smart people have huge energies inside, if they aren't poured into activity and the world / field of experience, they sort of turn on you, or the unconscious turns on you, until you realise.
Any nightmares?
What are the themes?
What about how broadly you think ... similar to exaggeration.
Not in touch with your intellect, truly?
Think about how your life features in the grand scale?
How your life doesn't quite add up ... obsess over details ...
Confused easily?
It could be something really simple, you know.
I used to have a huge depression, you know what it was?
My neck... I had injured it and the tension was working the body in such a way as to depress me.
OVERTHINK. OVERTHINK. EXAGGERATE. EXAGGERATE.
Who are you and what are you capable of? Figure it out, you're meant to be here, everything is holistic - you get your potential figured and your depression will go. Even if you're not the best you will feel like the best.
Life ain't about who's better...
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: beforethedawn]
#23524187 - 08/09/16 07:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you are seriously depressed nothing will help. Best you can do is find comfort and stay safe. However there are worse things than depression.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23524427 - 08/09/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can be intensely depressed simply because of ideas.
Think of Africa right now. How do you feel? What if you don't stop thinking about it, unconsciously?
What about anger from the past?
Forgiveness is the answer to most social problems like that, as Jesus suggested.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23525058 - 08/09/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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One thing that has helped myself and others that I have seen is simply to try helping someone less fortunate than yourself every day. It doesn't have to be a big thing but must be given freely with no strings attached. Give someone a lift that can't drive or mow someones lawn that can't do it for themselves. You take beautiful photographs ...maybe teach someone your craft?
I don't know...but I do know that it is very hard to feel shitty when I'm doing something nice for someone.
Good luck, OP...you seem like a really good guy...I hope you get this worked out.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23525066 - 08/09/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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When I was suffering from depression I was microdosing anywhere from .1-.2g of cubes in gel caps and it was honestly great. Joined of like nature's prozac. It seems to have minimal physical and mental effects at such a dosage as well. Be warned though, too high of a dose can make you feel spacey and uncomfortable.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Spiritwithin]
#23526087 - 08/09/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: I exercise daily(and work a lot outdoors, and spend time hiking) and the only drugs I do is mushrooms once or twice a year, not bullshitting whatsoever, I am clean and have been for a very long time. I don't smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol either.
Whats depressing you then?
Life just seems generally pointless, nothing I do has a noticeable affect, and I pour my heart into projects for years at a time, nothing I've done has amounted to anything, even my photography getting published by National Geographic got me nowhere. I can't make a living doing what I love, and everyday is just a struggle to get by, doing what I hate just to afford shelter I don't want and food I know is unhealthy. Minutes feel like hours.. do I want to fight through this again and again until I die, or just skip the whole shitshow and die now? I don't think the latter would affect the world in any noticeable way.
I see that whatever I achieve will shortly be followed by the want of a higher achievement ad infinitum. I see that who I am is just a pattern of conditioning, nothing I am is legit or authentic, I am a product of a sick culture. I see that anytime I am happy it's only a temporary delusion, and soon it will be back to normal.
I spent an entire year homeless in a forest last year, I literally gave away everything I owned and just started over, just to see if it made me feel better. And here I am.
I don't feel sorry for myself, this just seems like truthful observation to me.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23526103 - 08/09/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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big_scrappy97 said: Do you have friends you can go out and socialize with?
Good question man.
Honestly no, I was working at an animal shelter recently and there was a really open-minded girl there who was just amazing to talk with, but now there is geographical distance between us and the intellectual connection feels severed. There is nobody out here I connect with in any meaningful way.
However, in my defense, I never gained much from socialization, it's a very short-term feelgood. I don't mind being alone though.
I am considering micro dosing some spare LSD tabs I have though. An extremely heavy dose of LSD was just too intense to gain any clarity from. So I may try micro.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23526964 - 08/10/16 02:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mate It is a roller coaster. You cant have happy without sad. Love without hate. If it was all stable it would be numb and boring. Enjoy the ride take the ups with the downs. Stand back and look from above. Your ride your game. Make your own rules. Go out one day and if someone pisses you off hammer them. Then next time try love em. Fuck it fun if you sit up the front and really get into the ride.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Anonymous #2]
#23527464 - 08/10/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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However, in my defense, I never gained much from socialization, it's a very short-term feelgood. I don't mind being alone though.
Short term feel goods add up and if you can string some together, you may begin to tip the scales.
Do you have any family?
Also....So you had photos published in Natty Geo? That is fucking awesome. They have some of the most beautiful photography of any publication out there. You are talented and bright ...I have always enjoyed your comments here. Please just keep pushing forward ...you will get through this. Try to stay into today and not get hung up in the past or the future...The old saying goes..."If you have one foot in tomorrow and the other in yesterday....you are probably shitting on today."
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23527594 - 08/10/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you would, please describe what you mean by intense, and how did you come to experience this depression?
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23529373 - 08/10/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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PaulyAnna said: If you would, please describe what you mean by intense, and how did you come to experience this depression?
By intense I mean it is crippling, I can't motivate myself to care about anything, not even the things I love, the feeling is just dark & barren. Everything is just pointless for me, as I said before, I can and I will likely push through this, but then what? It will always be back, and I am constantly reminded that it will be back even in a happy moment. If life can't be enjoyed, is it so wrong to want to end it? I have no pride for this form.
I come to experience this upon waking up most times, I typically wake up to a strong feeling of "back here again.. fuck." Some days are worse than others, on days when I'm not active the depression is far worse, however even on days when I'm highly active it's still present.
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However, in my defense, I never gained much from socialization, it's a very short-term feelgood. I don't mind being alone though.
Short term feel goods add up and if you can string some together, you may begin to tip the scales.
This is true but when I was working with someone I liked to talk with, I spent several months with short-term-feel-goods and it never made a long-term difference.
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However, in my defense, I never gained much from socialization, it's a very short-term feelgood. I don't mind being alone though.
Try to stay into today and not get hung up in the past or the future...The old saying goes..."If you have one foot in tomorrow and the other in yesterday....you are probably shitting on today."
I like that, I'm aware of the importance of the present moment, it's all there ever is and ever was, I've read 3 books on it, I noted correlations between every great philosophical and religious figure mentioning the "present", everyone from Jesus to Buddha to Einstein, b it doesn't seem to help me shake anything. I'm well aware that all depression is some form of past manifesting in the present, anxiety is some form of future manifesting in the present, but it doesn't seem to make a difference knowing that.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23530239 - 08/11/16 04:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you meditate at all TML?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
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I like that, I'm aware of the importance of the present moment, it's all there ever is and ever was, I've read 3 books on it, I noted correlations between every great philosophical and religious figure mentioning the "present", everyone from Jesus to Buddha to Einstein, b it doesn't seem to help me shake anything. I'm well aware that all depression is some form of past manifesting in the present, anxiety is some form of future manifesting in the present, but it doesn't seem to make a difference knowing that.
Knowledge alone does little to improving things IME, it must be followed with some constructive action. You said that you lived alone in the woods for a year....That in itself would be enough to spin anyone into a depression, especially with a noisy mind. I know, that for myself...solitude is a nice escape from time to time but I can't stay there....I start listening to that committee in my head too much. Occasional solitude can turn into isolation and that is a terrible place for me to be. I'm a recovering alcoholic and there is a saying that "A drunk that isolates is a drunk in bad company." That can apply to anyone, actually.
Are you working? Even menial labor can help a little...Just doing something rather than sitting around thinking of what you're not doing and sinking deeper.
Prayers to you ...you may want to try some prayers yourself....what have you got to lose?
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
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PaulyAnna said: If you would, please describe what you mean by intense, and how did you come to experience this depression?
By intense I mean it is crippling, I can't motivate myself to care about anything, not even the things I love, the feeling is just dark & barren. Everything is just pointless for me, as I said before, I can and I will likely push through this, but then what? It will always be back, and I am constantly reminded that it will be back even in a happy moment. If life can't be enjoyed, is it so wrong to want to end it? I have no pride for this form.
I come to experience this upon waking up most times, I typically wake up to a strong feeling of "back here again.. fuck." Some days are worse than others, on days when I'm not active the depression is far worse, however even on days when I'm highly active it's still present.
Can you remember when, where and why this intense depression surfaced in your life? Did it all of a sudden just occur? Or was it a traumatic event or series of disappointments that lead to the present? Is it possible to trace back to the source of the cause and resurrect the former that you might recover and live a happy life, free of this intense depression?
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: PaulyAnna]
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Like others said.
Diet, exercise, lifestyle...
Not going to recommend any particular things, but experimenting with a lot of different lifestyle changes can help. A lot of times looking at different diets or healthy mindfulness practices (meditation) and all that can seem overwhelming and hopeless because there are so many different things that people will suggest to you and you don't know where to begin or what to try.
But I can tell you that the best thing I've done for the depression I used to just swim around in constantly every day was to explore many different dietary and lifestyle changes, practices like meditation/exercise, etc...
Anything I could learn about and then try out for myself, I tried it. And after going through all kinds of different things, I found a lot of things that worked for me. And none of them are things that are harmful or have negative long-term consequences (like antidepressants, harmful drugs, etc...)
The thing is you really want to explore a lot of different options. There really are a lot of great things you can try to improve your life as far as simple lifestyle changes. Honestly, there are so many good things you can do that it's overwhelming. And there really aren't that many bad things either. It's just that the average modern Post-Industrial Western-Lifestyle focuses all the negative things and spoon-feeds you only things that are toxic to you.
I don't know what your lifestyle is like, but I would really suggest trying some of the things I mentioned. And explore lots of different options. You really just have to find what works for you and then stick with it. I used to be completely alienated, isolated, and depressed. Now, I'm actually the person who puts smiles on other people's faces. I can strike up conversations with random people I don't know and make other people feel good just by letting my positivity flow to them. Trust me. A couple of years ago, I would have never been that kind of person.
I'm making new friends, learning what to focus on, how to live better every day.
You just have to recognize habits that are toxic to you, and learn a new way to live day-to-day that helps you.
And you have Psychedelics. Don't be afraid to use them more often if you need to. At least for a while. I don't rely on Psychedelics. I would honestly be fine without them. Although I still love doing them and learning from them. But there have been periods in my life where doing High-doses of Psychedelics often helped me push through barriers in myself that I'm not sure I could have gotten past otherwise.
Just explore all options man. Don't be afraid to push boundaries. Do things that put you out of your comfort-zone. Don't feel like taking up new things in your life that some people would consider 'strange' is a bad thing. And don't feel bad for letting go and stopping things that most people do and consider 'normal' if they make you less of who you really want to be. Just really explore different options. You have tons of information at your fingertips.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
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In my experience the best antidepressant is S Adenosyl methionine. I highly recommend it for depression and consider it far superior to pharmaceutical antidepressants . I intend to go back on it ASAP and stay on it. It's expensive but if taken correctly it works wonders. Price is the only reason I ever stopped taking it
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Spiritwithin]
#23567837 - 08/22/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: I exercise daily(and work a lot outdoors, and spend time hiking) and the only drugs I do is mushrooms once or twice a year, not bullshitting whatsoever, I am clean and have been for a very long time. I don't smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol either.
Whats depressing you then?
shocker, eh? it's not just as easy as exercise to take depression away for some people. crazy, right?
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: akira_akuma]
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Tmethyl said: I exercise daily(and work a lot outdoors, and spend time hiking) and the only drugs I do is mushrooms once or twice a year, not bullshitting whatsoever, I am clean and have been for a very long time. I don't smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol either.
Whats depressing you then?
shocker, eh? it's not just as easy as exercise to take depression away for some people. crazy, right?
I'm thinking I just have some sort of brain damage or chemical imbalance due to childhood trauma. At this point some sort of transcendence beyond personhood is my only viable path towards some sense of calm. Or so it seems.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23567938 - 08/23/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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it's funny how alone one can feel in a world of almost several billion. i frankly have the same problem. no motivation for things. boredom, really. no inspiration. just waiting for things to suddenly make sense, to me, even if it's potentially not what i want or expect.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23567945 - 08/23/16 12:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You might consider picking up an outdoor hobby such as hiking, backpacking, surfing, etc.
Honestly though I have a bit of an unconventional suggestion: try taking an antidepressant until you feel better, and then immediately taper off of it. The idea being that you use the antidepressant just to interrupt this current episode of depression, and then once this particular episode is gone you go off it. I've had some success with this method.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: nooneman]
#23567947 - 08/23/16 12:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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walk around alot, aimlessly. it'll make you feel better. though, it doesn't really accomplish much without a goal; because as soon as you stop, you're right back where you were.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23567954 - 08/23/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If I understand I think you're saying that stopping the antidepressant will leave the person right back where they started. That's possible, but sometimes depression is episodic (as in it gets worse than usual at a specific time and then later might return to whatever normal is) rather than just at a constant level.
If it is episodic then I think it might be possible to interrupt it with an antidepressant without the person being right back to square one when they quit. Well, they'll be back at square one, but square one isn't the peak of the episode of depression. It's the normal baseline of the person involved.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: nooneman]
#23567962 - 08/23/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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i've always been under the impression that anti-depression medications need to be taken for a good while, regularly, before you start noticing much effect from them, in terms of it effecting your symptoms of depression.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23567987 - 08/23/16 01:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is true to an extent. Like people say, antidepressants do turn you into a kind of zombie depending on the antidepressant, and that's an effect you can feel immediately.
I get progressively better effects over the course of about 1-2 weeks after which it levels off. But even the first day I tend to notice a difference. On the other hand, I've been on and off (mostly off) antidepressants for most of my life so it's possible that someone else wouldn't notice effects on the first day or maybe even the first couple of days.
But you do definitely feel different from day 1, kinda zombie like as people say. Things hit you less hard, your brain is kinda fuzzy, you care less about things, colors are brighter but you care less about them, kindof a general apathetic feeling, etc.
It really depends on the antidepressant though. Prozac is pretty shit and super weak, zoloft is also pretty weaksauce but better than prozac, paxil is mediocre at best, effexor is strong and turns people into hardcore zombies instantly, celexa is pretty good, cymbalta is okay-ish but had bad side effects for me.
The only one I genuinely thought was pretty good was celexa, but prozac, zoloft and paxil were okay just weak.
Effexor has an almost recreational aspect to it. It's just so strong immediately that it's kinda vaguely nice giving absolutely zero fucks about anything. But I honestly never want to take effexor again just because of how much of a zombie it turns me/people in general into.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: nooneman]
#23568003 - 08/23/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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i took Effexor, after a friend gave me some, and i vomited it up, because like an idiot, i took a double dose, with no tolerance. felt like what i could term a bad MDMA trip...up until it became relaxing, and yeah, i did feel empty, with zero fucks.
it turned out to be a pretty shitty feeling, and i was glad to be done with it, when it was over.
but yeah, i don't know...i don't know, man. i probably couldn't really stand it. drugs are powerful. frankly, i'm definitely still in favor of making access easier to psychedelic drugs, because no matter what, even if you have a bad trip, or a good one, or neutral, wahtever...you always feel cleaner out the otherside, or at least i do...and it lasts a good while; and you don't need to be on a consistent dosage, either.
i don't know if there is any sure-fire way, other than that, through my experience. other than that, it's just one day at a time, and somedays i might get up feeling able to take on the day, and it may or may not be bumpy -- while most days i just have to push on through, as it were, to the otherside...makes for a real up and down sorta trip, if you catch my drift...but it's better than nothing.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23569756 - 08/23/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I guess what doesn't kill you gives you a lot of unhealthy coping mechanisms and a dark sense of humor, unless you kill yourself, in which case the levity of a good joke won't do so much for you.
A man went into a library and asked for a book on how to commit suicide. The librarian said: “Fuck off, you won’t bring it back.”
I don't really know where to go from here, there are some things to try, I like the idea of taking an anti depressant temporarily. Another option is just to become a Buddha, how to kill an ego again? Isn't the one killing it an ego itself? If I kill my ego, than I am an ego who killed my ego. The desire to be egoless is egotistical in and of itself. hmm..
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23569796 - 08/23/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I guess what doesn't kill you gives you a lot of unhealthy coping mechanisms and a dark sense of humor, unless you kill yourself, in which case the levity of a good joke won't do so much for you.
well, it's good to be able to laugh....LOL.
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library and asked for a book on how to commit suicide. The librarian said: “Fuck off, you won’t bring it back.”
there are some good ones.
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I don't really know where to go from here, there are some things to try, I like the idea of taking an anti depressant temporarily. Another option is just to become a Buddha, how to kill an ego again?
look into the Buddha thing. nature. just nature, inner and outer, and forget about humanity, because humanity doesn't generally understand nature, hence all the conflict.
instead of honing in on what is needed, we are lazy, and require the dire circumstances of the knowledge of death to push us. don't worry about death. don't worry about life. it's corrupted because we are humans, and conflict drives us, and because we don't care that we can work together, against our "better" natures, and be intelligent. put your thoughts to your intellect, and say, when it comes to the world, follow me. if that sounds too egotistical to you, then realize that you are not your head.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23581933 - 08/26/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: I feel like my last resort would be some sort of pill, I've seen people turn into lifeless zombies who never leave the house when they start on antidepressants. But I'm growing more desperate every day. I don't think I could act on the thought at this time, but not a day goes by when I don't think about the peace that death would bring. I don't want attention and I don't want anyone to feel bad for me, I just want to shake this off somehow. 
Shrooms, hands down.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: FuckIDK]
#23582025 - 08/26/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well first is comprehend your issue, which I'd guess you've most likely done, you know; What happened? Why it happened? The "why" question can be the hardest thing to face.
But depression can be a long road to recovery, and relying on the short term relief will only make it worse, so you figure out a structure to the path of your recovery, I myself wrote my own personal journal as a reference to all the things that made me happy, things that can last.
But the feeling of individual depression is something no one else can comprehend besides you, people may see how upset you are on the external view but the inside is where the demons rave and the poison chokes you.
The thing many find hard to understand that the answer is deep within oneself, influenced by this big and harsh world; open the heart and open the mind I guess, and revelation will follow
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23589038 - 08/29/16 03:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You say that you aren't looking for pity, but rather a way to "shake this off". Well, start shaking. Better yet, consider your situation as a matter of life and death. I know, it's hard to find the ignition when your will feels sapped. Life is movement, and to battle a true depression requires constant, rigorous movement, to be sure. Depression is a nasty sonofabitch that feeds off itself. It's like some kind of zombie-gorilla-lizard that ceaselessly tries to both suffocate by strangling you with shitty memories of the past, while butt-fucking you with uncertainties of the future. Yeah, maybe not my tightest metaphor, sorry. Anyway, depression is a fucking dickhead, and you need to fight it. Some people would say that you need to just sit with it, and, in some respects, accept it, and then begin to move through it. You might call this expansion. I would rather smash the bastard with a hammer forged by the tectonic plates of a world even meaner than this one. How you say? First, be honest and willing to identify those cyclical, useless negative thoughts in your head for what they are, and when they come creeping around looking for some attention, tell them to take a fucking hike. You have to throw anything and everything you've got into creating new life-energies for yourself. Again - Constant, rigorous movement.
You say you have no motivation. Is there anything left in this life that you'd like to accomplish? Any particular experiences that you crave to explore? Is there anything at all that you'd still be interested in doing or becoming? I bet there is. You got published in National Geographic, which is fucking awesome, man. You say you can't make a living shooting pictures, but can you not at least cultivate new hope by pursuing your passion? I'm a photographer as well, and I know that regardless of critical success, I ALWAYS feel better if I'm at least trying. I don't believe that photography has lost all of its luster for you, but maybe you're just temporarily uninspired. It happens. How about starting up a new project, or even shoot a totally different genre that you've never tried before. Dream up something amazing and begin taking steps (how to eat an elephant). It doesn't matter how outlandish the goal seems, the point is to simply have a goal. Without one, it can be awfully hard to move. But you also mentioned the disheartening dilemma of quenchless desire that seems inherent for us humans in the modern world. I get it. However, if having goals can help achieve a momentum, and whisk you out of apathy and stagnation, then I say go for it.
I was a bloated, dying, odious fleshbag just several months ago. I awoke every morning, hungover in physical agony and psychological terror. Most of those days consisted of sitting around in my boxers, eating cold pizza and listening to the same Elliott Smith song on repeat. I was apathetic, listless, uninspired, and, like you, felt a growing inclination towards the idea of vanishing from this world. Then I fell down outside a bar one night, suffered a concussion, and somehow managed to check myself into rehab.
I make lists of things I'd like to change and accomplish, every single morning. I look at the list before I go to sleep and cross out the tasks completed. The unfinished tasks simply go into the list for the next day. I do about 30 pushups first thing upon waking, no matter how shitty I feel. I work on my photography daily, and at least work on drawing up photo concepts in my sketchbook on days when I'm not shooting. I'm writing two screenplays, and a spec script for an episode of Rick and Morty, which pays homage to The Big Lebowski (The Big Rickowski). I want to be a writer/director eventually, so I'm also doing PA work on small-budget film sets. I'm not operating the camera yet, and I'm given some pretty menial duties, but I'm on a path that gives clear meaning to my life. Maybe none of these things will pan out, and that's OK too. I have an ongoing gratitude list which must have over two hundred things written down now that I'm grateful for. Maybe this stuff sounds cheesy, but I'll say that I hardly ever find myself sitting around at home anymore, idle and depressed, because I don't have time for that shit. I still have moments of sadness, but I don't allow myself to wallow in it til it turns to a state of depression, and this distinction is really important.
When you're depressed, life doesn't feel so short at all. It can feel never-ending, like you mentioned. When you give yourself purpose to live, the movement becomes so much easier, the path clearer, and the whole question of "what's the point?" begins to seem pretty silly. You want to shake it off, then start shaking
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23589637 - 08/29/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: I feel like my last resort would be some sort of pill, I've seen people turn into lifeless zombies who never leave the house when they start on antidepressants. But I'm growing more desperate every day. I don't think I could act on the thought at this time, but not a day goes by when I don't think about the peace that death would bring. I don't want attention and I don't want anyone to feel bad for me, I just want to shake this off somehow. 
I see you like Terence, that's a good reason to live. Do you need an empathetic friend?
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Alyssa]
#23594105 - 08/30/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I find fasting food helps. Anything to force some change and rewire the nervous system. It's slow and painful. Not going to happen over night but it's effective at permanent change. I notice energy habits that I wired into growing up. Seeing things a bit from a slight distance. Over time things just get different.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23594711 - 08/30/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kind of counter-intuitive to most folks, but I have found fasting to be beneficial also.
In fact, I think that is how some anorexics start their decent - I believe it makes one more sensitive to serotonin or the opposite. I don't remember the method of action per se, but I think it is helpful at times to fast.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23595055 - 08/30/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Testosterone helps. Did you get your levels checked? Low testosterone correlates highly with depression. I found out that this was a major part of my decade-long depression upon getting them checked. If it's bad enough, they'd give you some artificial, which I wouldn't decline at first, for diagnostic purposes. Then, diet, exercise and productive consumption of erotica.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23595860 - 08/30/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I feel like my last resort would be some sort of pill
Have you taken an inventory of your negative thinking and self-loathing thoughts?
I believe that's the best place to start. Our disturbing emotions are created by our thoughts.
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