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nooneman


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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23567987 - 08/23/16 01:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is true to an extent. Like people say, antidepressants do turn you into a kind of zombie depending on the antidepressant, and that's an effect you can feel immediately.
I get progressively better effects over the course of about 1-2 weeks after which it levels off. But even the first day I tend to notice a difference. On the other hand, I've been on and off (mostly off) antidepressants for most of my life so it's possible that someone else wouldn't notice effects on the first day or maybe even the first couple of days.
But you do definitely feel different from day 1, kinda zombie like as people say. Things hit you less hard, your brain is kinda fuzzy, you care less about things, colors are brighter but you care less about them, kindof a general apathetic feeling, etc.
It really depends on the antidepressant though. Prozac is pretty shit and super weak, zoloft is also pretty weaksauce but better than prozac, paxil is mediocre at best, effexor is strong and turns people into hardcore zombies instantly, celexa is pretty good, cymbalta is okay-ish but had bad side effects for me.
The only one I genuinely thought was pretty good was celexa, but prozac, zoloft and paxil were okay just weak.
Effexor has an almost recreational aspect to it. It's just so strong immediately that it's kinda vaguely nice giving absolutely zero fucks about anything. But I honestly never want to take effexor again just because of how much of a zombie it turns me/people in general into.
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akira_akuma
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: nooneman]
#23568003 - 08/23/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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i took Effexor, after a friend gave me some, and i vomited it up, because like an idiot, i took a double dose, with no tolerance. felt like what i could term a bad MDMA trip...up until it became relaxing, and yeah, i did feel empty, with zero fucks.
it turned out to be a pretty shitty feeling, and i was glad to be done with it, when it was over.
but yeah, i don't know...i don't know, man. i probably couldn't really stand it. drugs are powerful. frankly, i'm definitely still in favor of making access easier to psychedelic drugs, because no matter what, even if you have a bad trip, or a good one, or neutral, wahtever...you always feel cleaner out the otherside, or at least i do...and it lasts a good while; and you don't need to be on a consistent dosage, either.
i don't know if there is any sure-fire way, other than that, through my experience. other than that, it's just one day at a time, and somedays i might get up feeling able to take on the day, and it may or may not be bumpy -- while most days i just have to push on through, as it were, to the otherside...makes for a real up and down sorta trip, if you catch my drift...but it's better than nothing.
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Tmethyl
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23569756 - 08/23/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I guess what doesn't kill you gives you a lot of unhealthy coping mechanisms and a dark sense of humor, unless you kill yourself, in which case the levity of a good joke won't do so much for you.
A man went into a library and asked for a book on how to commit suicide. The librarian said: “Fuck off, you won’t bring it back.”
I don't really know where to go from here, there are some things to try, I like the idea of taking an anti depressant temporarily. Another option is just to become a Buddha, how to kill an ego again? Isn't the one killing it an ego itself? If I kill my ego, than I am an ego who killed my ego. The desire to be egoless is egotistical in and of itself. hmm..
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akira_akuma
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23569796 - 08/23/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I guess what doesn't kill you gives you a lot of unhealthy coping mechanisms and a dark sense of humor, unless you kill yourself, in which case the levity of a good joke won't do so much for you.
well, it's good to be able to laugh....LOL.
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library and asked for a book on how to commit suicide. The librarian said: “Fuck off, you won’t bring it back.”
there are some good ones.
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I don't really know where to go from here, there are some things to try, I like the idea of taking an anti depressant temporarily. Another option is just to become a Buddha, how to kill an ego again?
look into the Buddha thing. nature. just nature, inner and outer, and forget about humanity, because humanity doesn't generally understand nature, hence all the conflict.
instead of honing in on what is needed, we are lazy, and require the dire circumstances of the knowledge of death to push us. don't worry about death. don't worry about life. it's corrupted because we are humans, and conflict drives us, and because we don't care that we can work together, against our "better" natures, and be intelligent. put your thoughts to your intellect, and say, when it comes to the world, follow me. if that sounds too egotistical to you, then realize that you are not your head.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23581933 - 08/26/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: I feel like my last resort would be some sort of pill, I've seen people turn into lifeless zombies who never leave the house when they start on antidepressants. But I'm growing more desperate every day. I don't think I could act on the thought at this time, but not a day goes by when I don't think about the peace that death would bring. I don't want attention and I don't want anyone to feel bad for me, I just want to shake this off somehow. 
Shrooms, hands down.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: FuckIDK]
#23582025 - 08/26/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well first is comprehend your issue, which I'd guess you've most likely done, you know; What happened? Why it happened? The "why" question can be the hardest thing to face.
But depression can be a long road to recovery, and relying on the short term relief will only make it worse, so you figure out a structure to the path of your recovery, I myself wrote my own personal journal as a reference to all the things that made me happy, things that can last.
But the feeling of individual depression is something no one else can comprehend besides you, people may see how upset you are on the external view but the inside is where the demons rave and the poison chokes you.
The thing many find hard to understand that the answer is deep within oneself, influenced by this big and harsh world; open the heart and open the mind I guess, and revelation will follow
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23589038 - 08/29/16 03:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You say that you aren't looking for pity, but rather a way to "shake this off". Well, start shaking. Better yet, consider your situation as a matter of life and death. I know, it's hard to find the ignition when your will feels sapped. Life is movement, and to battle a true depression requires constant, rigorous movement, to be sure. Depression is a nasty sonofabitch that feeds off itself. It's like some kind of zombie-gorilla-lizard that ceaselessly tries to both suffocate by strangling you with shitty memories of the past, while butt-fucking you with uncertainties of the future. Yeah, maybe not my tightest metaphor, sorry. Anyway, depression is a fucking dickhead, and you need to fight it. Some people would say that you need to just sit with it, and, in some respects, accept it, and then begin to move through it. You might call this expansion. I would rather smash the bastard with a hammer forged by the tectonic plates of a world even meaner than this one. How you say? First, be honest and willing to identify those cyclical, useless negative thoughts in your head for what they are, and when they come creeping around looking for some attention, tell them to take a fucking hike. You have to throw anything and everything you've got into creating new life-energies for yourself. Again - Constant, rigorous movement.
You say you have no motivation. Is there anything left in this life that you'd like to accomplish? Any particular experiences that you crave to explore? Is there anything at all that you'd still be interested in doing or becoming? I bet there is. You got published in National Geographic, which is fucking awesome, man. You say you can't make a living shooting pictures, but can you not at least cultivate new hope by pursuing your passion? I'm a photographer as well, and I know that regardless of critical success, I ALWAYS feel better if I'm at least trying. I don't believe that photography has lost all of its luster for you, but maybe you're just temporarily uninspired. It happens. How about starting up a new project, or even shoot a totally different genre that you've never tried before. Dream up something amazing and begin taking steps (how to eat an elephant). It doesn't matter how outlandish the goal seems, the point is to simply have a goal. Without one, it can be awfully hard to move. But you also mentioned the disheartening dilemma of quenchless desire that seems inherent for us humans in the modern world. I get it. However, if having goals can help achieve a momentum, and whisk you out of apathy and stagnation, then I say go for it.
I was a bloated, dying, odious fleshbag just several months ago. I awoke every morning, hungover in physical agony and psychological terror. Most of those days consisted of sitting around in my boxers, eating cold pizza and listening to the same Elliott Smith song on repeat. I was apathetic, listless, uninspired, and, like you, felt a growing inclination towards the idea of vanishing from this world. Then I fell down outside a bar one night, suffered a concussion, and somehow managed to check myself into rehab.
I make lists of things I'd like to change and accomplish, every single morning. I look at the list before I go to sleep and cross out the tasks completed. The unfinished tasks simply go into the list for the next day. I do about 30 pushups first thing upon waking, no matter how shitty I feel. I work on my photography daily, and at least work on drawing up photo concepts in my sketchbook on days when I'm not shooting. I'm writing two screenplays, and a spec script for an episode of Rick and Morty, which pays homage to The Big Lebowski (The Big Rickowski). I want to be a writer/director eventually, so I'm also doing PA work on small-budget film sets. I'm not operating the camera yet, and I'm given some pretty menial duties, but I'm on a path that gives clear meaning to my life. Maybe none of these things will pan out, and that's OK too. I have an ongoing gratitude list which must have over two hundred things written down now that I'm grateful for. Maybe this stuff sounds cheesy, but I'll say that I hardly ever find myself sitting around at home anymore, idle and depressed, because I don't have time for that shit. I still have moments of sadness, but I don't allow myself to wallow in it til it turns to a state of depression, and this distinction is really important.
When you're depressed, life doesn't feel so short at all. It can feel never-ending, like you mentioned. When you give yourself purpose to live, the movement becomes so much easier, the path clearer, and the whole question of "what's the point?" begins to seem pretty silly. You want to shake it off, then start shaking
-------------------- "All but one man died. There at Bitter Creek. And they say he ran awayyy." - A little show called Branded
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Alyssa
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23589637 - 08/29/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: I feel like my last resort would be some sort of pill, I've seen people turn into lifeless zombies who never leave the house when they start on antidepressants. But I'm growing more desperate every day. I don't think I could act on the thought at this time, but not a day goes by when I don't think about the peace that death would bring. I don't want attention and I don't want anyone to feel bad for me, I just want to shake this off somehow. 
I see you like Terence, that's a good reason to live. Do you need an empathetic friend?
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Alyssa]
#23594105 - 08/30/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I find fasting food helps. Anything to force some change and rewire the nervous system. It's slow and painful. Not going to happen over night but it's effective at permanent change. I notice energy habits that I wired into growing up. Seeing things a bit from a slight distance. Over time things just get different.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23594711 - 08/30/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kind of counter-intuitive to most folks, but I have found fasting to be beneficial also.
In fact, I think that is how some anorexics start their decent - I believe it makes one more sensitive to serotonin or the opposite. I don't remember the method of action per se, but I think it is helpful at times to fast.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23595055 - 08/30/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Testosterone helps. Did you get your levels checked? Low testosterone correlates highly with depression. I found out that this was a major part of my decade-long depression upon getting them checked. If it's bad enough, they'd give you some artificial, which I wouldn't decline at first, for diagnostic purposes. Then, diet, exercise and productive consumption of erotica.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23595860 - 08/30/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said:
I feel like my last resort would be some sort of pill
Have you taken an inventory of your negative thinking and self-loathing thoughts?
I believe that's the best place to start. Our disturbing emotions are created by our thoughts.
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