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Thayendanegea
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23525058 - 08/09/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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One thing that has helped myself and others that I have seen is simply to try helping someone less fortunate than yourself every day. It doesn't have to be a big thing but must be given freely with no strings attached. Give someone a lift that can't drive or mow someones lawn that can't do it for themselves. You take beautiful photographs ...maybe teach someone your craft?
I don't know...but I do know that it is very hard to feel shitty when I'm doing something nice for someone.
Good luck, OP...you seem like a really good guy...I hope you get this worked out.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23525066 - 08/09/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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When I was suffering from depression I was microdosing anywhere from .1-.2g of cubes in gel caps and it was honestly great. Joined of like nature's prozac. It seems to have minimal physical and mental effects at such a dosage as well. Be warned though, too high of a dose can make you feel spacey and uncomfortable.
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Tmethyl
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Spiritwithin]
#23526087 - 08/09/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: I exercise daily(and work a lot outdoors, and spend time hiking) and the only drugs I do is mushrooms once or twice a year, not bullshitting whatsoever, I am clean and have been for a very long time. I don't smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol either.
Whats depressing you then?
Life just seems generally pointless, nothing I do has a noticeable affect, and I pour my heart into projects for years at a time, nothing I've done has amounted to anything, even my photography getting published by National Geographic got me nowhere. I can't make a living doing what I love, and everyday is just a struggle to get by, doing what I hate just to afford shelter I don't want and food I know is unhealthy. Minutes feel like hours.. do I want to fight through this again and again until I die, or just skip the whole shitshow and die now? I don't think the latter would affect the world in any noticeable way.
I see that whatever I achieve will shortly be followed by the want of a higher achievement ad infinitum. I see that who I am is just a pattern of conditioning, nothing I am is legit or authentic, I am a product of a sick culture. I see that anytime I am happy it's only a temporary delusion, and soon it will be back to normal.
I spent an entire year homeless in a forest last year, I literally gave away everything I owned and just started over, just to see if it made me feel better. And here I am.
I don't feel sorry for myself, this just seems like truthful observation to me.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23526103 - 08/09/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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big_scrappy97 said: Do you have friends you can go out and socialize with?
Good question man.
Honestly no, I was working at an animal shelter recently and there was a really open-minded girl there who was just amazing to talk with, but now there is geographical distance between us and the intellectual connection feels severed. There is nobody out here I connect with in any meaningful way.
However, in my defense, I never gained much from socialization, it's a very short-term feelgood. I don't mind being alone though.
I am considering micro dosing some spare LSD tabs I have though. An extremely heavy dose of LSD was just too intense to gain any clarity from. So I may try micro.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23526964 - 08/10/16 02:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mate It is a roller coaster. You cant have happy without sad. Love without hate. If it was all stable it would be numb and boring. Enjoy the ride take the ups with the downs. Stand back and look from above. Your ride your game. Make your own rules. Go out one day and if someone pisses you off hammer them. Then next time try love em. Fuck it fun if you sit up the front and really get into the ride.
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Thayendanegea
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Anonymous #2]
#23527464 - 08/10/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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However, in my defense, I never gained much from socialization, it's a very short-term feelgood. I don't mind being alone though.
Short term feel goods add up and if you can string some together, you may begin to tip the scales.
Do you have any family?
Also....So you had photos published in Natty Geo? That is fucking awesome. They have some of the most beautiful photography of any publication out there. You are talented and bright ...I have always enjoyed your comments here. Please just keep pushing forward ...you will get through this. Try to stay into today and not get hung up in the past or the future...The old saying goes..."If you have one foot in tomorrow and the other in yesterday....you are probably shitting on today."
-------------------- Look Deep Into Nature,and Then You Will Understand Everything Better. Albert Einstein
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23527594 - 08/10/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you would, please describe what you mean by intense, and how did you come to experience this depression?
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Tmethyl
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23529373 - 08/10/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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PaulyAnna said: If you would, please describe what you mean by intense, and how did you come to experience this depression?
By intense I mean it is crippling, I can't motivate myself to care about anything, not even the things I love, the feeling is just dark & barren. Everything is just pointless for me, as I said before, I can and I will likely push through this, but then what? It will always be back, and I am constantly reminded that it will be back even in a happy moment. If life can't be enjoyed, is it so wrong to want to end it? I have no pride for this form.
I come to experience this upon waking up most times, I typically wake up to a strong feeling of "back here again.. fuck." Some days are worse than others, on days when I'm not active the depression is far worse, however even on days when I'm highly active it's still present.
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However, in my defense, I never gained much from socialization, it's a very short-term feelgood. I don't mind being alone though.
Short term feel goods add up and if you can string some together, you may begin to tip the scales.
This is true but when I was working with someone I liked to talk with, I spent several months with short-term-feel-goods and it never made a long-term difference.
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However, in my defense, I never gained much from socialization, it's a very short-term feelgood. I don't mind being alone though.
Try to stay into today and not get hung up in the past or the future...The old saying goes..."If you have one foot in tomorrow and the other in yesterday....you are probably shitting on today."
I like that, I'm aware of the importance of the present moment, it's all there ever is and ever was, I've read 3 books on it, I noted correlations between every great philosophical and religious figure mentioning the "present", everyone from Jesus to Buddha to Einstein, b it doesn't seem to help me shake anything. I'm well aware that all depression is some form of past manifesting in the present, anxiety is some form of future manifesting in the present, but it doesn't seem to make a difference knowing that.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23530239 - 08/11/16 04:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you meditate at all TML?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Thayendanegea
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23530502 - 08/11/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like that, I'm aware of the importance of the present moment, it's all there ever is and ever was, I've read 3 books on it, I noted correlations between every great philosophical and religious figure mentioning the "present", everyone from Jesus to Buddha to Einstein, b it doesn't seem to help me shake anything. I'm well aware that all depression is some form of past manifesting in the present, anxiety is some form of future manifesting in the present, but it doesn't seem to make a difference knowing that.
Knowledge alone does little to improving things IME, it must be followed with some constructive action. You said that you lived alone in the woods for a year....That in itself would be enough to spin anyone into a depression, especially with a noisy mind. I know, that for myself...solitude is a nice escape from time to time but I can't stay there....I start listening to that committee in my head too much. Occasional solitude can turn into isolation and that is a terrible place for me to be. I'm a recovering alcoholic and there is a saying that "A drunk that isolates is a drunk in bad company." That can apply to anyone, actually.
Are you working? Even menial labor can help a little...Just doing something rather than sitting around thinking of what you're not doing and sinking deeper.
Prayers to you ...you may want to try some prayers yourself....what have you got to lose?
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23535744 - 08/12/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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PaulyAnna said: If you would, please describe what you mean by intense, and how did you come to experience this depression?
By intense I mean it is crippling, I can't motivate myself to care about anything, not even the things I love, the feeling is just dark & barren. Everything is just pointless for me, as I said before, I can and I will likely push through this, but then what? It will always be back, and I am constantly reminded that it will be back even in a happy moment. If life can't be enjoyed, is it so wrong to want to end it? I have no pride for this form.
I come to experience this upon waking up most times, I typically wake up to a strong feeling of "back here again.. fuck." Some days are worse than others, on days when I'm not active the depression is far worse, however even on days when I'm highly active it's still present.
Can you remember when, where and why this intense depression surfaced in your life? Did it all of a sudden just occur? Or was it a traumatic event or series of disappointments that lead to the present? Is it possible to trace back to the source of the cause and resurrect the former that you might recover and live a happy life, free of this intense depression?
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: PaulyAnna]
#23535926 - 08/12/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Like others said.
Diet, exercise, lifestyle...
Not going to recommend any particular things, but experimenting with a lot of different lifestyle changes can help. A lot of times looking at different diets or healthy mindfulness practices (meditation) and all that can seem overwhelming and hopeless because there are so many different things that people will suggest to you and you don't know where to begin or what to try.
But I can tell you that the best thing I've done for the depression I used to just swim around in constantly every day was to explore many different dietary and lifestyle changes, practices like meditation/exercise, etc...
Anything I could learn about and then try out for myself, I tried it. And after going through all kinds of different things, I found a lot of things that worked for me. And none of them are things that are harmful or have negative long-term consequences (like antidepressants, harmful drugs, etc...)
The thing is you really want to explore a lot of different options. There really are a lot of great things you can try to improve your life as far as simple lifestyle changes. Honestly, there are so many good things you can do that it's overwhelming. And there really aren't that many bad things either. It's just that the average modern Post-Industrial Western-Lifestyle focuses all the negative things and spoon-feeds you only things that are toxic to you.
I don't know what your lifestyle is like, but I would really suggest trying some of the things I mentioned. And explore lots of different options. You really just have to find what works for you and then stick with it. I used to be completely alienated, isolated, and depressed. Now, I'm actually the person who puts smiles on other people's faces. I can strike up conversations with random people I don't know and make other people feel good just by letting my positivity flow to them. Trust me. A couple of years ago, I would have never been that kind of person.
I'm making new friends, learning what to focus on, how to live better every day.
You just have to recognize habits that are toxic to you, and learn a new way to live day-to-day that helps you.
And you have Psychedelics. Don't be afraid to use them more often if you need to. At least for a while. I don't rely on Psychedelics. I would honestly be fine without them. Although I still love doing them and learning from them. But there have been periods in my life where doing High-doses of Psychedelics often helped me push through barriers in myself that I'm not sure I could have gotten past otherwise.
Just explore all options man. Don't be afraid to push boundaries. Do things that put you out of your comfort-zone. Don't feel like taking up new things in your life that some people would consider 'strange' is a bad thing. And don't feel bad for letting go and stopping things that most people do and consider 'normal' if they make you less of who you really want to be. Just really explore different options. You have tons of information at your fingertips.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23565603 - 08/22/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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In my experience the best antidepressant is S Adenosyl methionine. I highly recommend it for depression and consider it far superior to pharmaceutical antidepressants . I intend to go back on it ASAP and stay on it. It's expensive but if taken correctly it works wonders. Price is the only reason I ever stopped taking it
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Spiritwithin]
#23567837 - 08/22/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: I exercise daily(and work a lot outdoors, and spend time hiking) and the only drugs I do is mushrooms once or twice a year, not bullshitting whatsoever, I am clean and have been for a very long time. I don't smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol either.
Whats depressing you then?
shocker, eh? it's not just as easy as exercise to take depression away for some people. crazy, right?
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23567898 - 08/23/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: I exercise daily(and work a lot outdoors, and spend time hiking) and the only drugs I do is mushrooms once or twice a year, not bullshitting whatsoever, I am clean and have been for a very long time. I don't smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol either.
Whats depressing you then?
shocker, eh? it's not just as easy as exercise to take depression away for some people. crazy, right?
I'm thinking I just have some sort of brain damage or chemical imbalance due to childhood trauma. At this point some sort of transcendence beyond personhood is my only viable path towards some sense of calm. Or so it seems.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23567938 - 08/23/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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it's funny how alone one can feel in a world of almost several billion. i frankly have the same problem. no motivation for things. boredom, really. no inspiration. just waiting for things to suddenly make sense, to me, even if it's potentially not what i want or expect.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23567945 - 08/23/16 12:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You might consider picking up an outdoor hobby such as hiking, backpacking, surfing, etc.
Honestly though I have a bit of an unconventional suggestion: try taking an antidepressant until you feel better, and then immediately taper off of it. The idea being that you use the antidepressant just to interrupt this current episode of depression, and then once this particular episode is gone you go off it. I've had some success with this method.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: nooneman]
#23567947 - 08/23/16 12:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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walk around alot, aimlessly. it'll make you feel better. though, it doesn't really accomplish much without a goal; because as soon as you stop, you're right back where you were.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23567954 - 08/23/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If I understand I think you're saying that stopping the antidepressant will leave the person right back where they started. That's possible, but sometimes depression is episodic (as in it gets worse than usual at a specific time and then later might return to whatever normal is) rather than just at a constant level.
If it is episodic then I think it might be possible to interrupt it with an antidepressant without the person being right back to square one when they quit. Well, they'll be back at square one, but square one isn't the peak of the episode of depression. It's the normal baseline of the person involved.
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Re: Natural ways to rid intense depression? [Re: nooneman]
#23567962 - 08/23/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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i've always been under the impression that anti-depression medications need to be taken for a good while, regularly, before you start noticing much effect from them, in terms of it effecting your symptoms of depression.
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