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specialpeopleclub said: consciousness is not that simple. There is a reason it is a debated philisophical topic. I dont think things that have no language are conscious, for example. If you cant speak with your mind to make assumptions on the physical and abstract world, how can you be?
People debating the idea, has no bearing on how obvious of a concept it is.
This mentality of viewing everything as subjective is an excuse, a cop out, rhetorical propaganda. You say subjective, but your views are objective, you think you're right and use the word subjective to diminish the views of others.
The fact is the world doesn't bend to our will, it is what it is, reality is objective and life starts where it does. Animals can be observed running around being alive, as former fetuses we know the fetus is not yet alive.
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a laps in consciousnrss means you arent conscious, and you are bending defenitions to suit your adgenda.
A lapse, of something which is, not of something which may someday be. Hypocrisy, your argument is full of it.
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'life starts when it begins' wow, thats so deep its actually empty. that type of thinking is what I want to base my ethical descisions on.
I offer direct perception on the matter, you speak of emptiness while defending a life which is still nothing more than an idea. Defending that theory of a life which may someday be, with empty words which cannot make it anymore alive than it is not.
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Re: Do you believe that #BlackLivesMatter? [Re: liloldme]
#23541638 - 08/14/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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liloldme said: have you ever met or seen a baby born premature after 30 weeks of gestation? People get abortions all the time in their third trimester, they are very much alive, can look around, have needs, wants, have no one to trust or rely on but their parents. I had a daughter born at 34 weeks, she lived a little over a month before passing away due to health complications, was very fucked up, she was very real...
You did mention that she was born
That may explain the part about being alive
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Re: Do you believe that #BlackLivesMatter? [Re: Repertoire89]
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the life is literally in the process of developing. consciousness itself is subjective. Human consciousness deserves protection.
a lapse means, durring the laps, nothing is there. Its called linier time. I know its a difficult concept. The fact you value a body that had consciousness and not a body that will have consciousness if alloed to come to term is subjective
'objective life starts when it does' just more nothing
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Re: Do you believe that #BlackLivesMatter? [Re: Repertoire89]
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I dont find much of what you say enlightened. really, it avoids the issue of individual sovergenty and women killing their babies because they are shitty people consciousness and the self are etherian concepts that mean nothing to me
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Re: Do you believe that #BlackLivesMatter? [Re: Repertoire89]
#23541694 - 08/14/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You did mention that she was born
That may explain the part about being alive
Trying to justify killing a 34 week old baby that can live outside the womb that's cool bro. Most of these opinions are to justify actions of their own. I know how to be responsible and wear a condom,I don't have to kill babies..
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Re: Do you believe that #BlackLivesMatter? [Re: liloldme]
#23541704 - 08/14/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I dont find much of what you say enlightened. really, it avoids the issue of individual sovergenty and women killing their babies because they are shitty people consciousness and the self are etherian concepts that mean nothing to me
Convoluted thinking is convoluted.

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You did mention that she was born
That may explain the part about being alive
Trying to justify killing a 34 week old baby that can live outside the womb that's cool bro. Most of these opinions are to justify actions of their own. I know how to be responsible and wear a condom,I don't have to kill babies..
So you say.
Also, that sperm is living, by denying it the opportunity to merge with an egg, you are murdering it. Condoms are not natural, you should retain your semen like a good christian.
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Re: Do you believe that #BlackLivesMatter? [Re: liloldme]
#23541749 - 08/14/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think your view that a coma patient is conscious before the fact vs a baby being conscious later to be subjective nationality, as at the time, both are unconscious. laps means nothing
you bring up the killing of reproductive cells that havent been joined, which I addressed several times. They only have the parents dna, and left to their on, wouldnt develop a new identity.
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You did mention that she was born
That may explain the part about being alive
Trying to justify killing a 34 week old baby that can live outside the womb that's cool bro. Most of these opinions are to justify actions of their own. I know how to be responsible and wear a condom,I don't have to kill babies..
you, making excuses for their convenience. seems being pro life is not a popular position
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I'm all for abortions... But they shouldn't be tossed around and turned into some kinda feminist bullshit that it is these days.. Yes babies should legally be aborted if: Moms life is in danger birth defects Rape or incest Not because you're a shitbag and that's your birth control method of choice.. Man up and wear a fucking condom, don't fuck girls you wouldn't be ok with long term.. life is soo hard..
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black lives is simply another, Saul Alinsky style splinter movement to cause social disruption in the US.
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Re: Do you believe that #BlackLivesMatter? [Re: liloldme]
#23541782 - 08/14/16 06:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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liloldme said: I'm all for abortions... But they shouldn't be tossed around and turned into some kinda feminist bullshit that it is these days.. Yes babies should legally be aborted if: Moms life is in danger birth defects Rape or incest Not because you're a shitbag and that's your birth control method of choice.. Man up and wear a fucking condom, don't fuck girls you wouldn't be ok with long term..
This coming from a sinner who spills and wastes his semen?
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life is soo hard..
Keep crying about all the injustices then, since it bothers you so much. If you lament the difficulty of this life, why the emphasis on bringing more people into this world?
It would make more sense if you ceased complaining
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Re: Do you believe that #BlackLivesMatter? [Re: Repertoire89]
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I don't think you're picking up on my sarcasm. Life isn't hard, and I cum in my wife every chance I get.. So you use abortions as your number one form of birth control? you a feminist bro?
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Re: Do you believe that #BlackLivesMatter? [Re: liloldme]
#23541819 - 08/14/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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liloldme said: I don't think you're picking up on my sarcasm. Life isn't hard, and I cum in my wife every chance I get.. So you use abortions as your number one form of birth control? you a feminist bro?
Never had an abortion, usually I pull out and cum on her The pill is secondary, condoms third

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Re: Do you believe that #BlackLivesMatter? [Re: liloldme]
#23541845 - 08/14/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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liloldme said: I'm all for abortions... But they shouldn't be tossed around and turned into some kinda feminist bullshit that it is these days.. Yes babies should legally be aborted if: Moms life is in danger birth defects Rape or incest Not because you're a shitbag and that's your birth control method of choice..
That doesn't make sense. Why should rape or incest determine whether a fetus should live or die, when you're not okay with it under normal relationship situations. What difference does it make in the morality regarding conception? Either abortions are okay, or they are not okay. You're just cherry picking because you have no real ethical cause to worry about any of it, and don't want to seem like you support rape babies at the same time.
Your rational that this has anything to do with feminism is dumb.
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Re: Do you believe that #BlackLivesMatter? [Re: PatrickKn]
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liloldme said: I'm all for abortions... But they shouldn't be tossed around and turned into some kinda feminist bullshit that it is these days.. Yes babies should legally be aborted if: Moms life is in danger birth defects Rape or incest Not because you're a shitbag and that's your birth control method of choice..
That doesn't make sense. Why should rape or incest determine whether a fetus should live or die, when you're not okay with it under normal relationship situations. What difference does it make in the morality regarding conception? Either abortions are okay, or they are not okay. You're just cherry picking because you have no real ethical cause to worry about any of it, and don't want to seem like you support rape babies at the same time.
Your rational that this has anything to do with feminism is dumb.
Fucking hell. I agree with you on something. That's once in a row.
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Re: Do you believe that #BlackLivesMatter? [Re: starfire_xes]
#23541912 - 08/14/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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rapes should be reported as soon as possible; not only for forensic evidence, but for the fact of checking for any signs of possible pregnancy; then there should be following psychological (optional) and pregnancy check-ups.
either abort if your standing permits you not a baby, or abort not if your standing is clear. then you should have the baby, as it's your baggage at that point.
God has spoken.
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Re: Do you believe that #BlackLivesMatter? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23542018 - 08/14/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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God has spoken.
Or abort the unwanted fetus.
If nature or "god" has anything to do with this, then it would be worth noting at this point that many animals practice infanticide. Nature does not seem to share the bleeding heart of modern man.
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Re: Do you believe that #BlackLivesMatter? [Re: Repertoire89]
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nature is abominable. i'm asking to be rational, and ethical, and not kill the baby if you've afforded oneself to be debauched to a degree that it's flagrant that you not keep the child. basically, i'm speaking legally here. there should be a rule of thumb...that rule of thumb is, look, i'm a women who's aborted so many times...i've had my run...i'm morally corrupt. that's all.
yeah. it's unethical to simply keep pounding your pleasure portal and forsaking the fetuses to simply gruel. that's essentially placing humanity and it's nature in the same category.
so what i aim for is discernment. not this, not that; but middle way. "if you've the choice to abort then abort", of course, that, i did not say; but i gave reciprocal advisement. that is all. i never said not to abort, i said to only abort if you're not in good standing.
there's nothing wrong with mistakes. having a child when you cannot care for it is a mistake. it's that simple. nature made the rules, i didn't make them.
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Re: Do you believe that #BlackLivesMatter? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23542143 - 08/14/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It would be more rational to me if one opted not to have a child, unless circumstances are "ideal".
Two parents who have time, resources and affection to spare.
Nature: "anything goes" Logic: build your ship before taking it out to sea
Petty sentimentality: orphans, overpopulation, poverty, the resulting crime tied to single parent homes, abject misery for everyone involved. * Can't forget to mention the environmental destruction which comes from more people
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Re: Do you believe that #BlackLivesMatter? [Re: Repertoire89]
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yeah, but i was just saying, if the women are going to keep having abortions that should at some point, stop, but not by aborting, because they are morally corrupt. that's the line, i find.
of course, you're right, the couple should be able and willing to raise a child, not merely just "have one". and if so, if it's an economic affair, then it should be handled delicately. if you can't do that, then here's the line, are you morally corrupt, or not? are you simply just flinging this child into existence with no care, or are you gonna care...? that's the line. if you can care, then you can manage, and you can make it. otherwise, you're an assgolem, it's that simple.
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