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MPs face six-year Sharia booze ban: Parliament to move to Islamic-owned Health department [UK] 1
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3726924/MPs-face-six-year-booze-ban-Parliament-Sharia-owned-office-block-2020-Palace-Westminster-refurbished.html
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6 August 2016
- Department of Health building is governed by the body of Islamic law
- The lease was transferred to finance an Islamic bond scheme in 2014
- A recent plan to nationalise the nearby Red Lion pub was abandoned
- Each year MPs get through some 50,000 bottles of House Sauvignon
MPs face a six-year drinking ban after a committee decided they will move to an office block operating under Islamic laws while the Palace of Westminster is refurbished.
Their new home, Richmond House in Whitehall, was transferred to finance an Islamic bond scheme in 2014.
The building, currently the offices of the Department of Health, will house MPs when a multi-billion-pound refurbishment of Parliament begins in 2020.
The parliamentary committee created to decide on options for renovating the Palace of Westminster decided against MPs remaining in the building while work takes place.
Their recommendations, which will be voted on by MPs when they return after the summer recess, was contained in a report leaked to The Times.
A plan to nationalise the nearby Red Lion pub so it could be kept private for MPs was shelved after owners Fuller's Inns spoke out against the idea.
Peers will go to the QEII Centre at the other end of Parliament Square.
Renovating the Palace of Westminster while it is vacant is expected to cost between £3.5billion and £3.9billion and take six years.
The committee rejected two other plans, which would have been more expensive.
One was to move MPs and peers out of the Palace of Westminster at different times as the building was repaired, costing £4.4billion and lasting 11 years, while the other would have seen them stay put as repairs were carried on around them.
This third choice would have taken 32 years at a cost of £5.7billion.
MPs will vote on whether to accept the committee's recommendations after they return from the summer recess.
The Palace of Westminster has dozens of bars and restaurants, where MPs, peers, staff and other passholders can enjoy pints for as little as £2.90.
This is 70p cheaper than the average price of a pint in London thanks to taxpayer subsidies worth £4million a year.
The landmark, opened in 1859, has a leaky roof, crumbling stonework and faulty cabling.
The Queen Elizabeth Tower, which supports Big Ben, is also tilting by 18 inches.
Richmond House is one of three Whitehall buildings that were transferred to the £200million Islamic bond scheme, which switched their ownership from British taxpayers to wealthy Middle Eastern businessmen and banks.
George Osborne announced the move in June 2014 as part of an effort to make the UK a global hub for Islamic finance.
But critics say the scheme would waste money and could undermine Britain's financial and legal systems by imposing Sharia law onto government premises.
The bonds – known as Sukuk – are only available for purchase by Islamic investors.
The money raised will be repayable from 2019.
But instead of interest, bond-buyers will earn rental income from the three Government offices as interest payments are banned in Sharia law.
The Treasury agreed to make the sukuk fully compliant with Sharia law to ensure investors were not put off investing in the scheme, meaning each of the buildings used to finance the products must meet the terms of Sharia law, including the ban on alcohol.
Previous proposals for relocating MPs caused controversy, with a plan to house politicians in an underground car park generating outrage because it was the spot where Tory MP Airey Neave was killed by an IRA car bomb in 1979.
 MPs plough through 33,000 pints of guest ale and 50,000 bottles of House Sauvignon every year
WHAT PARLIAMENT DRINKS IN ONE YEAR
- House Sauvignon: 50,000 bottles
- House Merlot: 26,000
- Guest ale: 33,000
- Champagne: 8,500 bottles
- Guiness: 11,000 pints
- Stella Artois: 5,500 points
- Corona lager: 12,000
- Peroni: 11,000
- Baileys: 10.5 liters
- Gordon’s Gin: 463 litres
- Jack Daniels: 13.3 liters
- Famous Grouse whiskey: 52 litres
- Malibu: 4.5 litres
WHY ARE WHITEHALL BUILDINGS GOVERNED BY SHARIA LAW?
- In June 2014 George Osborne announced that Britain was launching the first Islamic bond scheme in the non-Muslim world.
- Three Government buildings in Whitehall were transferred to Islamic bonds, switching the ownership from British taxpayers to wealthy Middle Eastern businessmen and banks.
- The issue of bonds raised £200million and was the first carried out by a Western country and Osborne said it would turn the UK into 'the western hub of Islamic finance' and the 'undisputed centre of the global financial system.'
- But critics say the scheme would waste money and could undermine Britain's financial and legal systems by imposing Sharia law onto government premises.
- The bonds – known as Sukuk – are only available for purchase by Islamic investors.
- The money raised will be repayable from 2019.
- But instead of interest, bond-buyers will earn rental income from the three Government offices as interest payments are banned in Sharia law.
- The Treasury agreed to make the sukuk fully compliant with Sharia law to ensure investors were not put off investing in the scheme, meaning each of the buildings used to finance the products must meet the terms of Sharia law, including the ban on alcohol.
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Re: MPs face six-year Sharia booze ban: Parliament to move to Islamic-owned Health department [UK] [Re: Mostly_Harmless] 1
#23518131 - 08/07/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You know the daily mail isn't exactly a credible news source right? It's tabloid trash.
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Re: MPs face six-year Sharia booze ban: Parliament to move to Islamic-owned Health department [UK] [Re: hampiri] 1
#23518218 - 08/07/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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hampiri said: You know the daily mail isn't exactly a credible news source right? It's tabloid trash.
Of course. The Times article is behind a paywall so I searched for alternative sources.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-issues-first-islamic-bond
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The Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne said:
Today’s issuance of Britain’s first sovereign Sukuk delivers on the government’s commitment to become the western hub of Islamic finance and is part of our long term economic plan to make Britain the undisputed centre of the global financial system.
We have seen very strong demand for the Sukuk, resulting in a price that delivers good value for money for the taxpayer. I hope that the success of this government issuance will encourage further private sector issuances of Sukuk in the UK.
By issuing sovereign Sukuk, the government has demonstrated that it is possible to create a successful British base for Islamic finance.
Britain’s sovereign Sukuk uses the Al-Ijara structure, the most common structure for sovereign Sukuk, with rental payments on property providing the income for investors. The Sukuk is underpinned by three central government properties. Today’s issue will settle on 2 July 2014, and will be listed on the London Stock Exchange.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/five-whitehall-buildings-held-by-wealthy-businessmen-now-operating-under-sharia-rules-a6910131.html
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In 2014, the Government cited a number of organisations, including the Executive Shariah Committee of HSBC Saudi Arabia, as saying the bonds were “sharia compliant” but suggested potential investors should seek opinions from their chosen experts.
It was unclear which other aspects of sharia are being adhered to by the managers of the buildings concerned, but a government source said it had been agreed that serving pork in Richmond House would not affect the sharia compliance of the sukuk. “Alcohol being served hasn’t arisen, as you would expect for a government building,” the insider added.
In January, The Times reported that a plan to relocate MPs to Richmond House to allow refurbishment work at Westminster was meeting resistance because Richmond House was dry under the terms of the sukuk agreement.
https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/foi/foi-and-eir/commons-foi-disclosures/catering-services-retail/alcohol-consumption-in-the-house-of-commons/
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£1.336m of alcoholic drinks was sold in House of Commons venues in the financial year ended 31 March 2011. This takes into account sales to Members of Parliament, staff and others who work in and visit Parliament including guests at banqueting events, but excludes £204k of sales in the souvenir shops which are mainly made by or for members of the public for consumption off the premises.
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Re: MPs face six-year Sharia booze ban: Parliament to move to Islamic-owned Health department [UK] [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#23518895 - 08/07/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ROLMFAO Good luck trying to force MPs who have the power to change the law not to do so. FYI its against international law to legalize cannabis yet its been done and more nations are going ahead.
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Re: MPs face six-year Sharia booze ban: Parliament to move to Islamic-owned Health department [UK] [Re: rider420]
#23519025 - 08/07/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why is sharia law even relevant in the UK? pretty sure that they already have laws for this shit, why adhere to another culture's law from a distant land? If this shit is real, the brits are fucked
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Re: MPs face six-year Sharia booze ban: Parliament to move to Islamic-owned Health department [UK] [Re: 404]
#23519302 - 08/07/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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404 said: Why is sharia law even relevant in the UK? pretty sure that they already have laws for this shit, why adhere to another culture's law from a distant land? If this shit is real, the brits are fucked
Go visit Birmingham or Bradford. It's like Baghdad, you know, before we bombed the shit out of it with cluster bombs and depleted uranium.
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Re: MPs face six-year Sharia booze ban: Parliament to move to Islamic-owned Health department [UK] [Re: 404]
#23519426 - 08/07/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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404 said: Why is sharia law even relevant in the UK? pretty sure that they already have laws for this shit, why adhere to another culture's law from a distant land? If this shit is real, the brits are fucked
i ASSUMED it was a situation like an embassy. but i don't know for sure
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Re: MPs face six-year Sharia booze ban: Parliament to move to Islamic-owned Health department [UK] [Re: demiu5]
#23520560 - 08/07/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Their government is even worse than the usa
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Re: MPs face six-year Sharia booze ban: Parliament to move to Islamic-owned Health department [UK] [Re: 5150]
#23522256 - 08/08/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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With all due respect to the OP, the reader is left to verify it, for himself.
I assume that a sukuk can be named, just as plainly as a stock or hedgefund.
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Re: MPs face six-year Sharia booze ban: Parliament to move to Islamic-owned Health department [UK] [Re: rider420]
#23522657 - 08/08/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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rider420 said: ROLMFAO Good luck trying to force MPs who have the power to change the law not to do so. FYI its against international law to legalize cannabis yet its been done and more nations are going ahead. 
damn dude, you that stupid?
international law..that makes legalization of marijuana legal?
you wanna tell that to the countries where the shit is legal that they broke the law?
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Re: MPs face six-year Sharia booze ban: Parliament to move to Islamic-owned Health department [UK] [Re: 404]
#23522660 - 08/08/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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404 said: Why is sharia law even relevant in the UK? pretty sure that they already have laws for this shit, why adhere to another culture's law from a distant land? If this shit is real, the brits are fucked
the brits have been fucking themselves... the brexit is their only hope....
also, a fucking muslim is a mayor of london, that's why they are going to fuck themselves, and continue to fuck themselves.
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Re: MPs face six-year Sharia booze ban: Parliament to move to Islamic-owned Health department [UK] [Re: keyser_soze]
#23522664 - 08/08/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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keyser_soze said:
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rider420 said: ROLMFAO Good luck trying to force MPs who have the power to change the law not to do so. FYI its against international law to legalize cannabis yet its been done and more nations are going ahead. 
damn dude, you that stupid?
international law..that makes legalization of marijuana illegal?
you wanna tell that to the countries where the shit is legal that they broke the law?
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Re: MPs face six-year Sharia booze ban: Parliament to move to Islamic-owned Health department [UK] [Re: keyser_soze] 1
#23522829 - 08/08/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://www.londonstockexchange.com/specialist-issuers/islamic/base-prospectuses/base-prospectuses.htm
It looks like they're just ticker symbols, in the stock exchange.
Firstly, you don't have to be Islamist, to cash in.
Secondly, the sukuk is paying interest, in spite of the Islamic prohibition against collecting interest.
fwiw, some theorists, using "law"fare (contraction of law and warfare), never sue a municipality, at large, but focus on it's financial presence.
Going forward, you could just as well engage in the same level of activity, and write the rules your way.
So, the article is ultimately very educational, if you're willing to work with the premise.
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Re: MPs face six-year Sharia booze ban: Parliament to move to Islamic-owned Health department [UK] [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#23522851 - 08/08/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/06/mps-wanted-to-nationalise-westminster-pub-for-their-own-use
MPs wanted to nationalise Westminster pub for their own use
Parliamentarians considered taking Red Lion into public ownership while Palace of Westminster is being refurbished People enjoy a drink outside the Red Lion pub on Whitehall, Westminster Some MPs proposed taking the Red Lion pub, located between Parliament and Richmond house, into public ownership and banning entry to the general public. Photograph: Jack Taylor/Getty Images
Saturday 6 August 2016 05.49 EDT Last modified on Saturday 6 August 2016 09.28 EDT
MPs considered nationalising a Whitehall pub to avoid a drinking ban while they are relocated to the Department of Health’s offices for the duration of refurbishment works at the Palace of Westminster.
Richmond House, which hosts the department, is one of three government buildings owned by Middle East financiers who have bought into an Islamic bond issued by the government. One of its stipulations is that no alcohol will be sold on the premises.
To get around the restriction, some MPs proposed taking the Red Lion pub, located between parliament and Richmond house, into public ownership and banning entry to the general public. However, according to the Times, the move was opposed by Fuller’s Inns, the Red Lion’s owners, and a parliamentary subcommittee eventually ruled out the proposal.
Alternative drinking arrangements will still need to be made for MPs and peers – who at Westminster can choose from 10 licensed bars and restaurants – when they are moved out for the building’s renovation from 2020 onwards.
David Cameron, the former prime minister, unveiled the Islamic bond, known as a Sukuk, in 2013, as part of a drive to raise cash from Islamic investors, who cannot buy into interest-paying government bonds because of religious rules against usury. The stories you need to read, in one handy email Read more
Instead, the £200m bond sees investors effectively take ownership of three government buildings – Richmond House, Wellington House and a third Whitehall property – and take rent from the UK government for their use.
However, the small print of the deal means that the buildings must be run according to the principles of sharia law. Any attempt to serve alcohol in the buildings could lead to a conflict with investors.
Staff at the Department of Health have already been told to get ready to make space for MPs and their staff, says the Times, citing an allegedly leaked report from the committee set up to look at refurbishment options for Westminster.
They will move to premises in Victoria next year, the paper says, giving officials three years to transform Richmond House into a working parliament including, it is thought, a debating chamber.
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