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Do Right wingers use psychedelics?
    #23517517 - 08/07/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This has always been something that confuses me.
I always thought that the use of mind altering substances was a liberal thing and that conservatives strictly oppose it for political reasons because it clashes with their identity.

But it seems thats not the case, seems you cant really group people under a label like that and expect them all to share the same traits.
I have seen a lot of people who are trump supporters who are actually interested in psychedelics and i thought this was pretty neat.

And i think i read somewhere that the person who coined the term "psychonaut" was a conservative which i thought was funny although im not sure if thats true or not.

I have nothing against conservatives or anyone.
That being said i would say i identify as liberal because it agrees more with my personality and i just dont personally understand right-wing philosophy, or seems incompatible with my personality.
When i think of the 60's with the hippie movement it just makes me drool with happiness and wishing i was there. I just love the idea of peace love and unity and i think liberals agree with that concept more than conservatives.
But im going to go off on a tangent here a little because all this has been on my mind lately because something happened to a friend of mine and hes been going on political rants and raging on facebook because of it.

So this friend of mine is like some type of anarchist or something i dont really understand the specifics but i doubt hes conservative or liberal.

So anyways a few months ago he started a vegan food truck company and it started to pick up pretty quickly in the Greater toronto area with people give nice reviews and whatnot.
But then he began to go under fire on his reviews because a group of people were offended when they searched his personal facebook and found messages which they feel are bigoted/sexist/racist/transphobic, etc.

So he has been posting a lot about it on facebook and getting a lot of support from people i know in my town.
Ive never really been offended by anything he says, because hes a rapper and i just assume they say controversial stuff and arent serious and i just dont have the time to care or take him seriously. I still listen to eminem even though he says faggot a lot :shrug: i dont care.

But yea my friend has posted trying to clear up the things he said, some things he defended, others he agreed that it was wrong and doesnt know why he said those things, (one was liking a transphobic post)

But hes saying that hes underfire by the "liberal hoard" as he says.
he had to close his facebook reviews and was kick out of some events because people threatened to protest.
So hes been going off on "liberals hippies" and all this stuff about how liberals are fundamentally destroying society and whatnot and how all liberals should be round up and "executed by a firing squad"

but do you think his blame is misplaced?
I dont want to see liberals shot and killed. especially not hippies because i love that culture. And i identify as a liberal hippie type.
i havent really explained my political preferences but i dont want to ask him if he hates all liberals because he might start hating me if i tell him i like the idea of being a liberal.

I just like which ever side is most chill :shrug:

Sorry if some find this post pointless, this stuff has just been on my mind and i wouldnt mind having some feedback on your take on stuff like this.
I love liberals and i dont think all of them are ultra PC like in southpark. but like i dont have a problem with that because i really try to watch what i say around people, but i understand that some people feel like they should be allowed to be openly rude to different groups of people and not be harassed for it.

i do think that ultra PC people should just focus on the important things and fixing the big problems in the world like hunger etc.


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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23518100 - 08/07/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's a fucking shame that your friend lost some business because of the SJW squad... Based on what I read he's just a guy trying to make it in this world and he's been harassed because of his personal opinions... If they started protesting where I do business, I'd called the cops and charge them with trespassing or some shit...

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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: Patlal]
    #23518135 - 08/07/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think some pure conservatives take to psychedelics because some of the positive revelations have a "bootstrapper" feeling to them, in that you can feel personally empowered and motivated to change your situation in the world, all while understanding your "place" therein.

Look into Al Hubbard. He seems to have been a classy combo of conservative and mystic to me.


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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: Bozko]
    #23518241 - 08/07/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

thanks for the input guys, yeah i think it isnt fair his business got fucked with.
hes a nice guy, just says some questionable shit from time to time.
i cant judge, ive said some terrible things that weren't me either and i would hate to be harassed for mistakes ive made in the past.
I just hope he doesnt literally hate all liberals because not all of them are super PC nazis. I know im not and i identify as liberal.
I just think you shouldnt just generalize groups like that, seems kind of unintelligent to do that but im hoping hes just responding mostly emotionally right now cuz his company has been pretty fucked by it

but i understand that some people feel that people should try to watch what they say which i agree with i just dont think they deserve to be harassed to the point of harming their business

did the 60s hippie liberals give a shit about this SJW stuff? or would they have wanted to focus on more important things like protesting war?

Also i really dont agree with the SJW stuff only because i believe harassing people because they are offending others doesnt help them change it just makes their life miserable so they hate other groups more.
I think its better to have a passive approach on this and dont harass them but instead just set a good example by living by your philosophy of equality and inspire others to do the same, it would definitely cause some people to rethink all the offensive things they believe and perhaps get inspired to change. But i dont know.


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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: SleepyE] * 2
    #23520949 - 08/08/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The ultra left wing SJW crowd give the entire left wing a seriously bad name - I actually used to be much more liberal until I realised that they're the biggest assholes you could ever side with. At least when referring to the present day.

All the words they use - fascist, racist, bigoted etc are actually much more relevant descriptions to their attitudes... they're the ones who get away with that crap unpunished (i.e. it's OK to be bigoted if you're bigoted in a PC way).

In other words they're reactionaries.

In terms of taking shrooms I guess it depends on who you hung out with and if you were introduced to psychedelics at some point - some of the more socially conservative westerners are somewhat marginalised compared to their loud mouth liberal counterparts so less likely to be completely intolerant of stuff like drugs etc.


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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: boilingpoint] * 1
    #23521393 - 08/08/16 08:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i agree that the ultra leftist SJW stuff is just a waste of time and we should focus on actual important issues. Someone told me both the far left and far right have big issues,
But i still identify as a lefty, i just dont support the SJW stuff because i think it divides more than unites.


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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #23521910 - 08/08/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23524446 - 08/09/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

is it bad that I had to google swj?  I love psychedelics, and lean more right than left.  but I really don't identify with the republican party at all.  and almost despise the democratic party.


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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23524474 - 08/09/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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How amusing that you don't grasp that a minimum wage advocate is a SJW.


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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: trscstghst]
    #23524476 - 08/09/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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but I really don't identify with the republican party at all.  and almost despise the democratic party.




Neither is worth two knobs of goat-shit.


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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23524482 - 08/09/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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but I really don't identify with the republican party at all.  and almost despise the democratic party.




Neither is worth two knobs of goat-shit.




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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23525285 - 08/09/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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How amusing that you don't grasp that a minimum wage advocate is a SJW.



What's amusing is your lack of understanding of what a SJW is.


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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23525497 - 08/09/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I know what it is and you are one.


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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23525632 - 08/09/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

He doesn't care, he's a "brilliant debater" he just ignores facts that way he's always right


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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23525664 - 08/09/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

ive never heard of sjw having anything to do with minimum wage advocacy, but then again im not an expert on this stuff so i could be wrong.

but i doubt most people on the shroomery give a fuck about minimum wage, If they need to they probably just supplement their income by selling drugs. But like you cant blame people for needing to do that if that system is set up to benefit the elite only. People are forced to find a way to get by.


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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23525672 - 08/09/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The system is set up to benefit the rich and illegals, it was set up by democrats

#Hillary2016


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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23525679 - 08/09/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

ahah, well im sure there is some truth to that.
but i think no political group is perfect they just seem to represent a spectrum of different personality types i think.
i dont think there is one group that doesnt have any issues.


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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23525766 - 08/09/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No political party is perfect, some are better than others


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    #23526140 - 08/09/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Do Right wingers use psychedelics? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23542894 - 08/15/16 04:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I started using psychedelics when I was in High School. I self-identified as both liberal and atheist with an interest in eastern philosophy (pretty obvious, huh?). Now over a decade later and I identify more with conservative values and I believe in the God of the Bible. I couldn't have foreseen this shift all those years ago.


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