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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517054 - 08/06/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Thankfully the courts are there to knock them down for what they are - racist.

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/jul/11/eric-holder/eric-holder-says-recent-studies-show-25-percent-af/
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African Americans are less likely than whites to hold varied kinds of government-issued IDs, with percentages of blacks without such IDs ranging from nearly 4 percent to more than 26 percent and percentages of whites having such an ID ranging from 1 percent to nearly 14 percent.







lol... eric holder said. you mean obama's former lapdog that lat the racist black
people go that were intimidating voters at the polls


are you trying to claim that black people are unable to register to vote if we have voter ID laws?


is holder claiming that they dont issue IDs to black people?



Holder was right. The polifact link has the evidence.

You don't need a picture ID to register to vote. You just need to prove the person registering lives at the address they are registering at. This is federal law for registering to vote in federal elections.






states make their voting laws and once more...


are you and eric holder claiming that black people cannot get an ID?

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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517057 - 08/06/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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why do these blacks not have an ID? are you and eric holder claiming they dont issue IDs to blacks?



Because they don't drive. Because they don't have bank accounts. Because they don't fly on airplanes.





does any of that prevent them from getting a state ID?

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And they usually do have some kind of way to prove their identity. They just don't have the kind of ID these laws require, and that is by design.





are you claiming that they arent allowed to have an ID?

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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23517080 - 08/06/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

he's avoiding giving you a solid answer


those hillary videos were great.  it's too bad trump is equally as flip-floppy



p.s. do you happen to know the song at the end of the 13min clinton video?


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: demiu5]
    #23517097 - 08/06/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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states make their voting laws



States must comply with federal law.

There are federal laws concerning voter registration for federal elections. These laws specify document requirements for registering. States could choose to have separate registering processes for federal and non federal elections, but must comply with federal law.

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In a 7-2 decision written by Justice Antonin Scalia, the court said Arizona's proof of citizenship requirement -- passed by voters in 2004 -- went too far beyond the 1993 federal "motor voter" law that was designed to simplify voter registration procedures.

The federal law requires registrants to claim U.S. citizenship on a mail-in post card, under penalty of perjury. The Arizona law requires separate physical proof of citizenship. The justices' decision upholds congressional authority over federal elections and could make it harder for states to impose additional restrictions.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/17/supreme-court-arizona-voting-citizenship-states-congress-registration/2166965/


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: demiu5] * 1
    #23517117 - 08/06/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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he's avoiding giving you a solid answer




Most of his questions are facetious.

Why doesn't he answer why a state issued gun license is acceptable, but a state issued student ID is not?

Why don't states that require ID offer a state issued voting ID that doesn't cost anything. Voting is a right and you shouldn't have to pay anything to qualify to vote. If the only reason someone needs an ID is to vote, then making them pay for that ID is making them pay to exercise their right.

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does any of that prevent them from getting a state ID?




Money. Time. Most of them do have ID. They have voter registration cards. They have social security cards. The have student ID. They have plenty of ways that are acceptable forms of ID for demonstrating your identity. These laws selectively choose IDs that republicans are more likely to have than democrats.


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517134 - 08/06/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

They should make you show an ID to use EBT card.

Problem solved. :cookiemonster:

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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517137 - 08/06/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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he's avoiding giving you a solid answer




Most of his questions are facetious.

Why doesn't he answer why a state issued gun license is acceptable, but a state issued student ID is not?

Why don't states that require ID offer a state issued voting ID that doesn't cost anything. Voting is a right and you shouldn't have to pay anything to qualify to vote. If the only reason someone needs an ID is to vote, then making them pay for that ID is making them pay to exercise their right.

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does any of that prevent them from getting a state ID?




Money. Time. Most of them do have ID. They have voter registration cards. They have social security cards. The have student ID. They have plenty of ways that are acceptable forms of ID for demonstrating your identity. These laws selectively choose IDs that republicans are more likely to have than democrats.






student id's don't have addresses on them, as far as i've ever seen


social security cards don't have addresses

every state i've lived in, a standard id, non-driver license costs money.  not as much as a driver license, necessarily, but something

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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: demiu5]
    #23517143 - 08/06/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Passports don't have addresses on them. Military IDs don't have addresses on them.

Again, the ID check isn't to confirm your address it is to confirm your identity. So...

Why aren't state issued student IDs acceptable.


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: mycosis]
    #23517144 - 08/06/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Voter ID laws are racist. No one should have to show ID to vote.

It is a constitutional right! :crankey:




By this logic, we shouldn't have to show ID to buy an AR-15 either, right?


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23517152 - 08/06/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Exactly! :naughty:

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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517159 - 08/06/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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every state i've lived in, a standard id, non-driver license costs money.  not as much as a driver license, necessarily, but something



This true. So why can't there be a state issued voter ID that one can obtain without cost? If these laws are intended to prevent fraud and not disenfranchise anyone who has the legal right to vote, then the state should go out of their way to make proving your identity as simple as possible, which would include not making someone pay money.

In maryland, it costs $40 to get a non-dl ID. If you are poor, $40 is a lot of money, especially if the only reason for spending it is to vote.


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods] * 1
    #23517167 - 08/06/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

To collect welfare you need ID, the only reason to not have ID to vote is for promote voter fraud, plain and simple


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517169 - 08/06/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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every state i've lived in, a standard id, non-driver license costs money.  not as much as a driver license, necessarily, but something



This true. So why can't there be a state issued voter ID that one can obtain without cost? If these laws are intended to prevent fraud and not disenfranchise anyone who has the legal right to vote, then the state should go out of their way to make proving your identity as simple as possible, which would include not making someone pay money.

In maryland, it costs $40 to get a non-dl ID. If you are poor, $40 is a lot of money, especially if the only reason for spending it is to vote.





i'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you about voter disenfranchisement.  but to claim it only for blacks is ridiculous, imo.  there are just as many impoverished white people, equally applicable in this situation

i have no answers for you

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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23517179 - 08/06/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If you can't get your shit together enough to obtain a photo ID perhaps you shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway. :shrug:

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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517195 - 08/06/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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every state i've lived in, a standard id, non-driver license costs money.  not as much as a driver license, necessarily, but something

This true. So why can't there be a state issued voter ID that one can obtain without cost?






Holy fucking shit!  Praise the lord!  Koods doesn't want government shoving another fee or tax up peoples asses.


Nice to see you've changed.  :smirk:


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23517201 - 08/06/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Voter ID laws are racist. No one should have to show ID to vote.

It is a constitutional right! :crankey:




By this logic, we shouldn't have to show ID to buy an AR-15 either, right?



Nice try. Buying a gun and voting are not the same thing. There are background checks for gun purchases because certain people don't have the right to purchase one - criminals, mental patients etc. Checking ID for gun purchases is about making sure you are legally permitted to own a gun.

You have already been determined eligible to vote if your name is on the list of registered voters. Nobody is claiming that voter ID laws ensure that someone is eligible to vote. They simply say it is proving you are the person registered. Again, checking ID would be reasonable if actual fraud were being committed, but the voter ID laws are a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and only serve as impediment to certain people who have been already determined qualified to vote.


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: mycosis] * 1
    #23517204 - 08/06/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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If you can't get your shit together enough to obtain a photo ID perhaps you shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway. :shrug:




Personally, I think we should go back to having only landowners voting, only fucking democrats want the poor and stupid voting :facepalm:


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517207 - 08/06/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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states make their voting laws



States must comply with federal law.

There are federal laws concerning voter registration for federal elections. These laws specify document requirements for registering. States could choose to have separate registering processes for federal and non federal elections, but must comply with federal law.

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In a 7-2 decision written by Justice Antonin Scalia, the court said Arizona's proof of citizenship requirement -- passed by voters in 2004 -- went too far beyond the 1993 federal "motor voter" law that was designed to simplify voter registration procedures.

The federal law requires registrants to claim U.S. citizenship on a mail-in post card, under penalty of perjury. The Arizona law requires separate physical proof of citizenship. The justices' decision upholds congressional authority over federal elections and could make it harder for states to impose additional restrictions.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/17/supreme-court-arizona-voting-citizenship-states-congress-registration/2166965/






but they havent established a means for a federal only polling place

you do realize that federal law requires some form of ID for people to vote, right
and as such it also allows for a great deal of fraud, that seems to be the way the
democrats like it, then they of course make up likes about how it disenfranchises
voters which it of course doesnt unless it's the dead people and illegal aliens
that democrats want voting for them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_America_Vote_Act#Voter_identification

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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517213 - 08/06/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Voter ID laws are racist. No one should have to show ID to vote.

It is a constitutional right! :crankey:




By this logic, we shouldn't have to show ID to buy an AR-15 either, right?



Nice try. Buying a gun and voting are not the same thing. There are background checks for gun purchases because certain people don't have the right to purchase one - criminals, mental patients etc. Checking ID for gun purchases is about making sure you are legally permitted to own a gun.

You have already been determined eligible to vote if your name is on the list of registered voters. Nobody is claiming that voter ID laws ensure that someone is eligible to vote. They simply say it is proving you are the person registered. Again, checking ID would be reasonable if actual fraud were being committed, but the voter ID laws are a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and only serve as impediment to certain people who have been already determined qualified to vote.




Nice try, fact is not having voter ID encourages voter fraud, criminals can't vote and also can't buy guns, so surely neither would abuse a system that prevents them from doing so, right?

And again, you need ID to get welfare, so the only reason to oppose voter ID is to commit fraud, that's a fact


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517218 - 08/06/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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every state i've lived in, a standard id, non-driver license costs money.  not as much as a driver license, necessarily, but something



This true. So why can't there be a state issued voter ID that one can obtain without cost?





that's actually what people are trying to achieve but liberals are unwilling to
compromise on this issue and allow for voter ID laws but they refuse to work with
republicans on anything

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If these laws are intended to prevent fraud and not disenfranchise anyone who has the legal right to vote, then the state should go out of their way to make proving your identity as simple as possible, which would include not making someone pay money.





voter ID laws dont disenfranchise anyone. is there a law that prevents anyone from getting an ID?





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In maryland, it costs $40 to get a non-dl ID. If you are poor, $40 is a lot of money, especially if the only reason for spending it is to vote.




how do they survive?

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