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Re: Democrats. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23502425 - 08/02/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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there are a boatload of economists who agree with Bernie.  The only way to resolve it is to look at the numbers, which is exactly what we've done in past posts like the one I linked to above.




Right, and you choose to believe progressive economists who want the numbers to work knowing full well once instituted, it will have have to be funded, no matter what the cost



Wrong again, Mr Straw Man King.  I choose the ones who back their results with verifiable calculations.




Hey you remember when your economists said O'care was only gonna cost us 800 billion? I do!


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Re: Democrats. [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23502441 - 08/02/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No, I don't remember analyzing those numbers.  Got a link?


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Re: Democrats. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #23502458 - 08/02/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I remember Republicans spending roughly 3x the cost of the entire Obamacare plan trying to fight against it.

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Re: Democrats. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23502476 - 08/02/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I remember Republicans spending roughly 3x the cost of the entire Obamacare plan trying to fight against it.




Gotta link?

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No, I don't remember analyzing those numbers.  Got a link?




938 billion, my bad, and now it's projected to cost over 2 trillion, funny how those numbers change, isn't it?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/cbo-obamacares-10-year-costs-will-now-eclipse-2-trillion/article/778723


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Re: Democrats. [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23502484 - 08/02/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I never analyzed those numbers.  And why use 10 year costs?  Why not 100 years to make it sound REALLY scary?!?


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Re: Democrats. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23502504 - 08/02/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I never analyzed those numbers.  And why use 10 year costs?  Why not 100 years to make it sound REALLY scary?!?




I don't know, why did Obumble use ten year numbers? You tell me

I know it's becuase they had to, as the real costs didn't start kicking in until recently and using ten year, when costs didn't kick in until year 4, would bring the projected cost down dramatically, democrats aren't as smart as they think they are, that's why they rely on low info voters for reelection


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Re: Democrats. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23502542 - 08/02/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Can't find my original source, though my original source is fairly outdated. Here's one that says approximately half a bil was spent running attack ads on the ACA in 2014:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/04/04/billions-spent-on-attacking-obamacare/

Disregard my full argument until I find my data, which may take a while. For now, let's work with this half a bil number.

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Re: Democrats. [Re: Kryptos]
    #23502601 - 08/02/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Can't find my original source, though my original source is fairly outdated. Here's one that says approximately half a bil was spent running attack ads on the ACA in 2014:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/04/04/billions-spent-on-attacking-obamacare/

Disregard my full argument until I find my data, which may take a while. For now, let's work with this half a bil number.




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I remember Republicans spending roughly 3x the cost of the entire Obamacare plan trying to fight against it.




So 500 million is a heck of a lot less than 2 trillion, by about $1,950,000,000,000, so I think your original post is off by quite a bit. Regardless, yes, a lot of money was spent to keep this job killing, healthcare expense raising monstrosity from becoming law. No one like it, not repubs or dems, and yet the dems saw fit to ram this piece of shit legislation down our throats. I've yet to meet a poor person who is happy with it or a middle class person, it's just another example of elitist democrats forcing a law, which none of them intend to live under, onto us peons, it's disgusting


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Re: Democrats. [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23503030 - 08/02/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't remember analyzing those numbers.  Got a link?




938 billion, my bad, and now it's projected to cost over 2 trillion, funny how those numbers change, isn't it?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/cbo-obamacares-10-year-costs-will-now-eclipse-2-trillion/article/778723



You link shows GROSS costs.  Net costs is what matters, and that is FAR less than $2 trillion. Not only that, but net cost projections have gone down significantly:

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/45231

This is why it's important to analyze the data.  If you just accept what conservative news sources spew, you'll be proven wrong every time.


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Re: Democrats. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23504003 - 08/02/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't remember analyzing those numbers.  Got a link?




938 billion, my bad, and now it's projected to cost over 2 trillion, funny how those numbers change, isn't it?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/cbo-obamacares-10-year-costs-will-now-eclipse-2-trillion/article/778723



You link shows GROSS costs.  Net costs is what matters, and that is FAR less than $2 trillion. Not only that, but net cost projections have gone down significantly:

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/45231

This is why it's important to analyze the data.  If you just accept what conservative news sources spew, you'll be proven wrong every time.




You obviously have no clue how the CBO gets its numbers do you?


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    #23504075 - 08/02/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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You obviously have no clue how the CBO gets its numbers do you?



Sure I do.

https://www.cbo.gov/about/processes#methodology

Do you?


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Re: Democrats. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23505800 - 08/03/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hillary gets heckled off stage in LA, the bastion of liberal love and progressive ideology



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Re: Democrats. [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23515850 - 08/06/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This could be the start of president Bernie...



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Re: Democrats. [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23515929 - 08/06/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Things will only get worse in the near future as she's forced out of hiding.

Clinton: 'RAISE TAXES ON THE MIDDLE CLASS!'



Hillary Clinton calling Trump her husband



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Re: Democrats. [Re: Astral Pain]
    #23515941 - 08/06/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

And yet, they keep voting democrat, the very party that has destroyed them...



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Re: Democrats. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23516162 - 08/06/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hillary is suffering from a lot of mental health issues. Like I noticed that she has signs of PBA, tourette syndrome and a little of dementia. I believes that corporate america is trying to hurry up and get her in office, and then have her appointed Vice president to take over when she is unable to control her behavior no more. Right now, they are trying to cover up her mental health problems. Maybe she is not aware that she has been lying. Maybe that is why the FBI did not want to indicted her, because they see the effects of her health is declining. She claims that there are still a conspiracy trying to get rid of her and Bill. But she must of had forgotten about the case about the women accused her husband Bill, of sexual harassment, that he was found guilty and wanted to settle out of court for his acts. But she forgotten that, and still believes that the case wasn't settled, they way she put it. But obama has been lying, and I doesn't see any signs of mental illness, but only recognized a sinister look on his face at times as if he is taking advantage of a mental patient. waiting to get her alone, away from the media so that he can have her to perform sexual favors on him.





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Re: Democrats. [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23516194 - 08/06/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)




Karl Rove stunned a conference when he suggested Hillary Clinton might have brain damage.

Onstage with Robert Gibbs and CBS correspondent and “Spies Against Armageddon” co-author Dan Raviv, Rove said Republicans should keep the Benghazi issue alive.

He said if Clinton runs for president, voters must be told what happened when she suffered a fall in December 2012.

The official diagnosis was a blood clot. Rove told the conference near LA Thursday, “Thirty days in the hospital? And when she reappears, she’s wearing glasses that are only for people who have traumatic brain injury? We need to know what’s up with that.”

Americans should think more carefully than Rove about just what Clinton’s illness may have been (and what her susceptibility to illness currently is).

The Clintons do not exactly tell the truth all the time (but what difference does it make, right?).

And, clearly, if Hillary wants to be president she has an overwhelming incentive to conceal an illness more serious than that which has been publically described.

That much is obvious.

What is not so obvious is that one can accept much of what Clinton said about her illness as true, and yet find that a quite rational conclusion to draw is that she might have suffered a stroke.



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