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Gurdjieff
    #2351596 - 02/18/04 07:50 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know how many here are familliar with his teachings but i strongly suggest to those of a spiritual bent to please check him out.
he's long dead but his teachings are carried on around the world to this day and he really had a keen insight into human nature and the psyche.His teachings are multifaceted but one aspect that always strikes me strongly is his emphasis that we have an essence..pure like a mirror at birth and almost like dust that gathers on a mirror so does our personality form.Anyway the essence is pure and ours by birthright but our personality is a patchwork of influences that we aquire.so we lose touch with our essence and identify with our artificial personality.part of the spiritual quest is to get back in touch with that buried essense.when i trip these realizations really hit home.check him out if i've peaked you interest.read "in search of the miraclulas" by ouspensky,his chief puplil for a good synopsis of the teaching.


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Re: Gurdjieff [Re: nethrill]
    #2351718 - 02/18/04 08:28 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I've read "The Fourth Way" by Ouspensky, but it was entirely too esoteric to teach me any practical, applicable knowledge.


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Re: Gurdjieff [Re: nethrill]
    #2351788 - 02/18/04 08:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I am extremely glad this thread was brought up. I have just recently got aquainted with gurdjieff's works and have now started reading Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson, which is fantastic. This is also the book I recommend starting out with when selecting something from the works of Gurdjieff. He seems to find the best words to choose for any person or occasion depending on what message he wishes to display to the reader. There are 10 books in Three series that should be read from the beginning if the reader wishes to fully grasph his concepts and understand what it is he is trying to get across.

Ten Books in Three Series

FIRST SERIES Three books under the title of Beelzebub's
Tales to His Grandson. An Objectively Impartial Criticism
of the Life of Man.

SECOND SERIES Two books under the common title of
Meetings with Remarkable Men.

THIRD SERIES Five books under the title of Life Is Real Only
Then, When "I Am. "

All written according to entirely new principles of logical
reasoning and directed toward the accomplishment of the
following three fundamental tasks:

FIRST SERIES To destroy, mercilessly and without any
compromise whatever, in the mentation and feelings of the
reader, the beliefs and views, by centuries rooted in him,
about everything existing in the world.

SECOND SERIES To acquaint the reader with the material
required for a new creation and to prove the soundness and
good quality of it.

THIRD SERIES To assist the arising, in the mentation and in
the feelings of the reader, of a veritable, nonfantastic
representation not of that illusory world which he now
perceives, but of the world existing in reality.


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Re: Gurdjieff [Re: ]
    #2351823 - 02/18/04 08:52 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Max Headroom said:
I've read "The Fourth Way" by Ouspensky, but it was entirely too esoteric to teach me any practical, applicable knowledge.




Perhaps the information I provided would give you a better grasp on where to start if you are ever interested on picking up any of Gurdjieff's books.  I have struggled with understanding the esoteric meaning of certain readings I have come across.  That is the reason I have come to like Gurdjieff's works.  If you start at his more elementary level books, he is very skilled in making everything clear down to the last detail and making his writing flow in a very easy to understand manner.  I am also pleased with how unlike most books it almost feels like I get an impression that he is in the room with me, and I can get involved and entranced in the book.  But at the same time, he makes it clear to me that I am reading the book while this is going on.  It is very hard for me to explain.  I have always thought in an intellectual way, this not being a good or bad thing.  And I find his wording gets across to be much more efficiently than other readings. 

IMHO  :grin:


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Re: Gurdjieff [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #2353628 - 02/19/04 05:51 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

earth droid,glad to find someone else interested in mr.G's idea's.However i wouldn't recommend to a newbie trying to read beelzubub...there are a lot of people put of by his unorthodox style of writing and odd terms.In search of the miraclulas is an excellent introduction and an accessable approach to the idea's.i found his pupil's writings more accessable than gurdjieff himself.


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Re: Gurdjieff [Re: nethrill]
    #2353706 - 02/19/04 07:27 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

much fourth way info is worked into robert s deropp's book _the master game_
(some other authors with strong G influences: orage, r dumal, j g bennett, e j gold,k riordan-speeth...)
there are G & ouspensky sites on the web...
i think that www.thefane.org (a canadian shroom spiritiual community!)has some fourth way tie-ins & hella plenty hypertext links (not all links current, but most are...)


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Re: Gurdjieff [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #2353930 - 02/19/04 09:56 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Earth_Droid said:
Ten Books in Three Series

FIRST SERIES Three books under the title of Beelzebub's
Tales to His Grandson. An Objectively Impartial Criticism
of the Life of Man.

SECOND SERIES Two books under the common title of
Meetings with Remarkable Men.

THIRD SERIES Five books under the title of Life Is Real Only
Then, When "I Am. "

All written according to entirely new principles of logical
reasoning and directed toward the accomplishment of the
following three fundamental tasks:

FIRST SERIES To destroy, mercilessly and without any
compromise whatever, in the mentation and feelings of the
reader, the beliefs and views, by centuries rooted in him,
about everything existing in the world.

SECOND SERIES To acquaint the reader with the material
required for a new creation and to prove the soundness and
good quality of it.

THIRD SERIES To assist the arising, in the mentation and in
the feelings of the reader, of a veritable, nonfantastic
representation not of that illusory world which he now
perceives, but of the world existing in reality.




Sounds well structured, but what's his motivation to convince other people of his own viewpoints?


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- Aristotle


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Re: Gurdjieff [Re: Alan Stone]
    #2354170 - 02/19/04 11:35 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

when once asked what exactly he teaches people,he replied"i teach them that when it rains the streets get wet"essentially his teachings concern that fact that most people live their lives in a sort of waking sleep,cut off from higher centers within.it's about waking up and living more consciously.man is basically an organic machine he taught ,and he set forth various exercisies to awaken him to full consciousness,to awaken from the limitations of concensus or ordinary consciousness.sometimes in an enhanced state from certain substances we get a glimpse of what he was referring to.the point is work consciously to bring about this state and make it permanent.


Edited by nethrill (02/19/04 11:43 AM)


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Re: Gurdjieff [Re: nethrill]
    #2354874 - 02/19/04 03:21 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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nethrill said:
when once asked what exactly he teaches people,he replied"i teach them that when it rains the streets get wet"essentially his teachings concern that fact that most people live their lives in a sort of waking sleep,cut off from higher centers within.it's about waking up  and living more consciously.man is basically an organic machine he taught ,and he set forth various exercisies to awaken him to full consciousness,to awaken from the limitations of concensus or ordinary consciousness.sometimes in an enhanced state from certain substances we get a glimpse of what he was referring to.the point is  work consciously to bring about this state and make it permanent.




:thumbup:

Anytime I've sort of tuned into the more moment and was able to really experience what I was doing, I loved it. I learned from what I was doing a lot more so and I truly enjoyed it.. it felt so natural and fufilling. I am always trying to live in the now, but I tend to get distracted... not so much as it used to be, though. hehe. I'm on the way! :wink:

Hell, right now is the only time we have.. to be preoccupied with thoughts that cut us off from the here and now experience is pretty much a waste..
Peace.


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Re: Gurdjieff [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #2358087 - 02/20/04 06:09 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Is there a theme common to all teachers? e.g. "his emphasis that we have an essence..pure like a mirror at birth" & " become like little children"


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Re: Gurdjieff [Re: nethrill]
    #2360825 - 02/20/04 08:57 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Gurdjieff [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #6187470 - 10/19/06 08:07 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

All right, who did the mystery bump? :lol:

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


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