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Re: The Value of Life [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23547470 - 08/16/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If time of money, and the perception of time is a subjective malleable construct of the brain. By this training I am infinitely rich because I have all of it in my life.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: nuentoter]
    #23547544 - 08/16/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

this is one of the keys.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23551782 - 08/17/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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... the aim is to be vigilant and hold true to your beliefs, and opinions, and essentially rebel.





This would be viewed by many as pure ego.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23551804 - 08/17/16 11:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i view it as a healthy ego. one that has constancy. particularly of a cogent intellect, it can be distancing to some people who, i feel, either have an aversion to a healthy ego, do the perception of it's forcefulness; and/or they are simply cynical to the extent of their own ego, thus project.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23551820 - 08/17/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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i view it as a healthy ego. one that has constancy.





This is the delusion we so often embrace.

Do you like the food or music you loved 25 years ago?

We want so much to be a constant entity.  But we constantly change.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23551955 - 08/18/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

the delusion 'we' so often embrace is that everyone works exactly the same as 'they' do.

and yes, i do enjoy the same stuff. what does that say?


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23552274 - 08/18/16 05:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I also believe in a certain stoicism. The ego is not some horribly thing, it is undeniable there and inseparable from us in our daily lives. It is a tool that once you learn to recognize, you can use to strengthen your image of who you choose to be in this life.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23552467 - 08/18/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've never identified a part of myself that never changes.

I hated green olives with a passion for 25 years. Now I love them.

I've found certain people to be repulsive, only to later care deeply for them.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23552858 - 08/18/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

maybe that change is simply a shattering of an illusion. maybe nothing really changed?

who knows. people can change, i never said they can't. i just said i still think of things the way i have in the past, considering some things...most ways i've changed have been in small ways, really the only determination of any significant change is putting these ways together to see the overall difference.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23553356 - 08/18/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The phenomena of massive 'brain-change' is well-documented in history. 
St. Paul, Mohammed, Buddha, various poets such as Rumi and Hafiz.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: hTx]
    #23553407 - 08/18/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

means very little. if they decided to "change their brains" or twas decided for them, whichever is the case, they would've learned what? that it's unethical to ever hurt any living being?

obvious...

that there is an afterlife/reincarnation?

means nothing, because there is no good reason to end it all now, so live until the end, and the end may not be "the end", but does "the end" really change anything about you? no. it may change the mind to realize these things, but that doesn't change the nature of man. this is why Buddha taught...and Jesus spoke of sin. the man can realize these things without changing too; which is my point.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23553434 - 08/18/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I wasn't disagreeing nor agreeing per say.

Mostly just relating the fact that people have and do occasionally dramatically and significantly change in adult-hood.

It may be they change for good or for bad, for external reasons, internal reasoning, or both.


It may mean very little to you, but I find it very interesting.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: hTx]
    #23553451 - 08/18/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

means nothing to me as a counter-point to my thoughts on the ego's constancy, is what i mean.

as far as interest goes, of course, psychology is interesting, and how people change is of course interesting and important.

but a strong ego will help in that very endeavor, i think. it's fine to think that identification with the ego is a hindrance when it comes to ones character...but when it comes to conforming to the world...no, no longer a hindrance, as long as you are leaving it healthy.

a healthy ego does not bend the world to it's will, but bends to the world's will.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23553518 - 08/18/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Why think of it in such absolutes?
either/or seems so limiting.

seems much more likely that a healthy ego does a bit of both ?


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: hTx]
    #23553625 - 08/18/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

because absolutes help illustrate my point. but yeah, it does a little bit of both. true. granted, a healthy ego doesn't lord over anyone else because it thinks it can. it lords over itself.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23554021 - 08/18/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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a healthy ego doesn't lord over anyone else because it thinks it can. it lords over itself.





Well said


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