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Re: The Value of Life [Re: laughingdog]
    #23528488 - 08/10/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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We are insulated from the struggle for survival thanks to modern society,




LOL and here's me thinking you a pessimist! I am not sure how in da money you are mate, but I can assure you plenty people are struggling for survival in the modern world



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There is a reason therapists charge money to listen to complaints, especially of those who fight to stay stuck.

We had another nihilist on the board (T) for many months who loved to broadcast nihilism and how meaningless everything is, and dogmatically proclaim everyone wrong about everything.

Suicide hotlines are free, but to use them you need to keep up an act of being really upset and stay on the phone for as long as you want to keep getting attention.

The internet is free, and one can keep up the fussing for days and involve many people, so it appeals to some with this predilection, style of attention getting through negativity, who actually do not want to change or be uplifted, or even learn anything new.

With such folks "debate" is a waste of time, and only perpetuates the syndrome.




Most of the counterpoints people make for staying alive aren't rooted in any sound reason. It's more for the other people in life. I have spoken to many people about it but in the end they can't find any reason to keep living and just ignore or deny what I say.

On a side note, I don't think those suicide hotline people are qualified to do anything. All they have are empty promises and appeals to emotion.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: FlowerofTitania]
    #23528499 - 08/10/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Most of the counterpoints people make for staying alive aren't rooted in any sound reason. It's more for the other people in life. I have spoken to many people about it but in the end they can't find any reason to keep living and just ignore or deny what I say.

On a side note, I don't think those suicide hotline people are qualified to do anything. All they have are empty promises and appeals to emotion.




exactly according to the pattern
it's nice to see predictions come true


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: laughingdog]
    #23528545 - 08/10/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Most of the counterpoints people make for staying alive aren't rooted in any sound reason. It's more for the other people in life. I have spoken to many people about it but in the end they can't find any reason to keep living and just ignore or deny what I say.

On a side note, I don't think those suicide hotline people are qualified to do anything. All they have are empty promises and appeals to emotion.




exactly according to the pattern
it's nice to see predictions come true




I don't know what imaginary pattern you are seeing, but there is none.

But like I said, there is no real reason to be alive.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: FlowerofTitania]
    #23528900 - 08/10/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't know what imaginary pattern you are seeing, but there is none.





:tongue:


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: laughingdog]
    #23530360 - 08/11/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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With such folks "debate" is a waste of time, and only perpetuates the syndrome.




I try and encourage people like this to either change or leave the board. Unfortunately all these negative dribblers need someone with a martyr complex to complete them, and the martyrs all gangbang me for being mean to their vampires.

It's not easy fighting the good fight.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: viktor]
    #23530870 - 08/11/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

lol, you can look at it as that this Mystery we are all involved in which really really cannot be pinned down and sold on the market can yet accommodate all kinds of views. that is the freedom we have
someone believes and says life is just a pile of shit? well for them 'it' will be so---ta daaaaa


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: FlowerofTitania]
    #23532503 - 08/11/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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But like I said, there is no real reason to be alive.





You could decide to abandon your search for a reason.

I can't find a reason to hang myself. There's just no point in it.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #23532689 - 08/11/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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But like I said, there is no real reason to be alive.





You could decide to abandon your search for a reason.

I can't find a reason to hang myself. There's just no point in it.




but i need to have a reason, to have a reason, to have a reason, to...


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: laughingdog] * 1
    #23532752 - 08/11/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Some ‘neebeies’ stumble on nihilism and think they have found something world changing and new.

Failing to realize  that they are only exposing their total ignorance of the most basic literature a good high school would have exposed them to. In particular A. Camus, F.Dostoevsky, & J.P.Satre, for starters.
The stranger, The plague, Notes from underground, and Satre’s amazing plays (not his unreadable ‘philosophy), also the Catcher in the Rye. Many have explored this area.

Let alone  a couple of the most interesting chapters of the old testament: The book of Job and Ecclesiastes.

Then among those who make this “discovery” are those who only have the social skills to garner attention thru negativity, and therefore misappropriate some of the points considered by the Existentialists and Nihilists, and of course have no hint that all the arguments and counter arguments are ancient history by now.

Finally somehow they have missed all the psychological studies on self fulfilling prophecy that are now readily available.

All of which shows the power of both habit
and the need we all have for attention, regardless of the tools we have for getting it.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: laughingdog]
    #23532816 - 08/11/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

fuck ur smart


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23532821 - 08/11/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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fuck ur smart




my dad was smart
I'm an old fart


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: laughingdog]
    #23532863 - 08/11/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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fuck ur smart




my dad was smart
I'm an old fart




well my dad ate ken-l-ration or was that my dog


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: Alonzo] * 1
    #23533670 - 08/12/16 05:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

this guy is even more to the point



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Re: The Value of Life [Re: laughingdog]
    #23534559 - 08/12/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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this guy is even more to the point






he LOOKS like a clown but is laughing all the way to the bank!


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: laughingdog]
    #23542220 - 08/14/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, our misery is born when we can't accept what is.

It's an ancient idea.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23543304 - 08/15/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

OK then, you find yourself living in a terrible slum. it is full of trash, disease, even the air aint fit to breathe. WHY should I have to accept that?
WHY should I accept oppressors making my life and the life of others a complete hell on Earth?


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: zzripz]
    #23543652 - 08/15/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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OK then, you find yourself living in a terrible slum. it is full of trash, disease, even the air aint fit to breathe. WHY should I have to accept that?
WHY should I accept oppressors making my life and the life of others a complete hell on Earth?




1) the example you have chosen seems to give you a choice

if you change the example to say a pain, perhaps a headache, or you are in the woods and twist your ankle, or it is emotional pain and your child has died.

then we get apparent choice out of the equation.

even without the spiritual dimension a psychologist will tell you that to get past grief you need to go thru it not repress it.

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2) besides the issue of choice I think there is a 2nd confusion.  you use the word ‘accept’, as if it must mean ‘surrender and remain stuck with’.

If you think of AA, the first thing an alcoholic has to do (if they want to get better,(according to them)), is get past denial and admit they have a problem. that is a form of acceptance that doesn’t mean remaining stuck.

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if these views have merit then the point of the teaching is that humans, have first a tendency to go into denial, and secondly to resist anything we don’t like, in terms of experiencing it fully.

frequently when one goes to a doctor he pokes one repeatedly and asks: “does it hurt here, and here and here…” he investigates and explores.
We on the other had often say to ourselves when we have a pain, something like: “I have a pain. I don’t like it. If it goes on much longer I can’t stand it. I wish I had something stronger than aspirin.” etc etc this is resistance.

it is like the question what is a tree? there is no ‘tree’, rather there  are processes on one level, and perception(s) on another level, etc.
like wise there is no ‘one solid unchanging pain’, but we label it as such, and then resist the label and tense up from resisting. They say that, when on the contrary, we allow ourselves to experience so called pain we may discover, all kinds of changing sensations, throbbing, stabbing, vibrations, heat, pressure, and changing locations; they say that being willing to experience it intimately actually allows it to dissolve and that the suffering is reduced, and that it is a learned skill, and one can’t start with a broken leg and expect it to work instantly, if one hasn’t done a lot of practice.

that’s the rational of teachers who teach this. they are not advocating being passive about abusive conditions.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: laughingdog] * 1
    #23544883 - 08/15/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Value of life



None except what you give it on a personal one to one basis.

I choose that all life precious. I unsteadily hold on to this as an ideal. It is a goal i strive for but rarely accomplish to my own level of satisfaction.


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I think the word is vagina


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: laughingdog]
    #23545315 - 08/15/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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even without the spiritual dimension a psychologist will tell you that to get past grief you need to go thru it not repress it.





Well stated points.

It's a paradox, but when we accept reality as it is, we're better able to adapt and change.

When we react to life with resistance and aggression, we harm ourselves.

Our habit is to blame.


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Re: The Value of Life [Re: laughingdog]
    #23545415 - 08/15/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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We had another nihilist on the board (T) for many months who loved to broadcast nihilism and how meaningless everything is, and dogmatically proclaim everyone wrong about everything.



I'm glad you pointed this out LD, turns out our little Flower and Thanatos are in fact one and the same person. Flower won't be coming back and Thanatos is now on a short holiday.


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