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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23514851 - 08/06/16 01:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Women promote the submissive role just as much as the men do. Women are rhe first to discourage promescuity amoung eachother and the last to intiate anything sexually. Theyre the ones that expect to be takin care of and theyre the ones that swoon over the badboy violent type image. Both genders play their roles.

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23514887 - 08/06/16 01:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Women promote the submissive role just as much as the men do. Women are rhe first to discourage promescuity amoung eachother and the last to intiate anything sexually. Theyre the ones that expect to be takin care of and theyre the ones that swoon over the badboy violent type image. Both genders play their roles.




Why do people conflate and confuse "bad boys" with violence?

The typical "bad boy" that women swoon over is just some lean guy with abs, and a tattoo on his upper arm who rides a motorcycle. He's the guy in the boy band that puts his hair in a mohawk and maybe wears leather jackets and is a LITTLE bit of a rebel, but not too much.

THAT is a "bad boy," the so-called "violent criminals" people are talking about are bad people.

There's a difference between being a bad BOY, and a bad PERSON.

I don't think today's women discourage promiscuity among each other, at least not the women I hang around. Maybe that was something women back in the day did. Maybe religious women do. Maybe married women do. I don't know, I don't hang around those circles.

But I would say that men often slut-shame as well. A lot of men say they would prefer to marry a virgin, that they do not ever want to date or marry a "slut."

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23514908 - 08/06/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Why do people conflate and confuse "bad boys" with violence?

The typical "bad boy" that women swoon over is just some lean guy with abs, and a tattoo on his upper arm who rides a motorcycle. He's the guy in the boy band that puts his hair in a mohawk and maybe wears leather jackets and is a LITTLE bit of a rebel, but not too much.

THAT is a "bad boy," the so-called "violent criminals" people are talking about are bad people.

There's a difference between being a bad BOY, and a bad PERSON.




:whatwhat:

Your generalization is really random.
That aside, my own anecdotal experience implies that you are incorrect.

Scum or otherwise, violent men generally seem to do well with women.

This is anecdotal bullshit however, like all of the content in this thread, and the idea of male privilege.

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23514911 - 08/06/16 01:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Repertoire89 said:
Scum or otherwise, violent men generally seem to do well with women.




What do you mean seem to do well with women?

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #23514930 - 08/06/16 01:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

He means he's had violent men in his life


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23514933 - 08/06/16 01:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Repertoire89 said:
Scum or otherwise, violent men generally seem to do well with women.




What do you mean seem to do well with women?




We're talking about our personal experiences and observations here
For the sake of conversation though

The first five who come to mind, who I know personally
(Infantry, gang-banger, 3 brawlers) all sleep around, never single, basically have women chasing after them

They all attract much more attention than average

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23514936 - 08/06/16 02:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Repertoire89 said:
We're talking about our personal experiences and observations here
For the sake of conversation though

The first five who come to mind, who I know personally
(Infantry, gang-banger, 3 brawlers) all sleep around, never single, basically have women chasing after them

They all attract much more attention than average




Are you implying that there are studies out there that have quantified exactly what percentage of women slut-shame promiscuous women? Because I have never heard of such a source, ergo what else could I possibly use aside from anecdotal evidence?

How attractive or confident would you say those guys are? Because these are definitely factors one should not overlook before concluding that it is the violence women are attracted to.

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23514966 - 08/06/16 02:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Crystal G said:

Are you implying that there are studies out there that have quantified exactly what percentage of women slut-shame promiscuous women?




:lolwut:

Why dont you hold your accusations to your own standards?

http://thoughtcatalog.com/james-b-barnes/2014/09/new-study-proves-that-men-dont-slut-shame-rich-women-do/

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23514971 - 08/06/16 02:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

CG, I disagree with what you said about female on male rape... believe it or not, being forcibly mounted really fucks with your insides. It feels like your asshole is going to get torn loose from inside, seriously. Imagine that your dick is a battering ram being slammed backward against the muscular lining of your anus while its own connective tissue with the pelvis is being stretched in a way it's not supposed to. It hurts in a very alarming sort of way.

Edited by Sophistic Radiance (08/06/16 02:31 AM)

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23514977 - 08/06/16 02:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
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Crystal G said:

Are you implying that there are studies out there that have quantified exactly what percentage of women slut-shame promiscuous women?




:lolwut:

Why dont you hold your accusations to your own standards?

http://thoughtcatalog.com/james-b-barnes/2014/09/new-study-proves-that-men-dont-slut-shame-rich-women-do/




Congratulations on being able to use Google.

Anyway, it's untrue to say that men never slut-shame, plenty of men to this day still prefer virgin brides and say they don't want to be with a woman who's had over X amount of partners.

For example, here's a notorious website run purely by males, for men:

http://www.returnofkings.com/46543/women-should-save-their-virginity-for-marriage

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23514984 - 08/06/16 02:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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CG, I disagree with what you said about female-on-mal rape... believe it or not, being forcibly mounted really fucks with your insides. It feels like your asshole is going to get torn loose, seriously. It hurts in a very alarming sort of way. Imagine that your dick is a battering ram being slammed backward against the muscular lining of your anus, it's not good.




That's, hmm.... interesting.

But if a woman was forcibly fucking a man that hard, wouldn't it hurt her too? I mean, I've noticed whenever one of us moves the wrong way and the dick bends weird in the pussy or something, it doesn't just hurt him, it hurts me as well. I imagine it'd be almost impossible for a woman to fuck a man to cause him pain without it causing her pain too.

Definitely gives me thought to consider though.

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23514985 - 08/06/16 02:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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He means he's had violent men in his life



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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23514995 - 08/06/16 02:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Sophistic Radiance said:
CG, I disagree with what you said about female-on-mal rape... believe it or not, being forcibly mounted really fucks with your insides. It feels like your asshole is going to get torn loose, seriously. It hurts in a very alarming sort of way. Imagine that your dick is a battering ram being slammed backward against the muscular lining of your anus, it's not good.




That's, hmm.... interesting.

But if a woman was forcibly fucking a man that hard, wouldn't it hurt her too? I mean, I've noticed whenever one of us moves the wrong way and the dick bends weird in the pussy or something, it doesn't just hurt him, it hurts me as well. I imagine it'd be almost impossible for a woman to fuck a man to cause him pain without it causing her pain too.

Definitely gives me thought to consider though.




It's fairly common for men to have their dicks injured when bottoming even in consensual sex. So if the receptive top doesn't care about the bottom's well being, there is potential for them to do real harm, especially if they are physically larger. The top has control over the angle of penetration, they can adjust if the angle is uncomfortable for them. The bottom can't because they're pinned down.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23514998 - 08/06/16 02:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Crystal G said:

Are you implying that there are studies out there that have quantified exactly what percentage of women slut-shame promiscuous women? Because I have never heard of such a source, ergo what else could I possibly use aside from anecdotal evidence?




Polls could work to a degree.
Although getting an honest answer to "Do you like violent men?" would be problematic

I'm not necessarily criticizing anecdotal arguments as a whole, so much as being dismissive of this issue.


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How attractive or confident would you say those guys are? Because these are definitely factors one should not overlook before concluding that it is the violence women are attracted to.




All of the individuals discussed are arrogant.
There's no way to tell really, but the arrogance alone would help their cases.

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23515008 - 08/06/16 03:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Sophistic Radiance said:
Quote:

Crystal G said:
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Sophistic Radiance said:
CG, I disagree with what you said about female-on-mal rape... believe it or not, being forcibly mounted really fucks with your insides. It feels like your asshole is going to get torn loose, seriously. It hurts in a very alarming sort of way. Imagine that your dick is a battering ram being slammed backward against the muscular lining of your anus, it's not good.




That's, hmm.... interesting.

But if a woman was forcibly fucking a man that hard, wouldn't it hurt her too? I mean, I've noticed whenever one of us moves the wrong way and the dick bends weird in the pussy or something, it doesn't just hurt him, it hurts me as well. I imagine it'd be almost impossible for a woman to fuck a man to cause him pain without it causing her pain too.

Definitely gives me thought to consider though.




It's fairly common for men to have their dicks injured when bottoming even in consensual sex. So if the receptive top doesn't care about the bottom's well being, there is potential for them to do real harm, especially if they are physically larger. The top has control over the angle of penetration, they can adjust if the angle is uncomfortable for them. The bottom can't because they're pinned down.




Wouldn't this statement imply though, that the potential for pain is primarily exerted by the penetrators, rather than the people being penetrated?

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23515010 - 08/06/16 03:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Female privilege does not exist outside of the troubled imaginations of desperate men




No need to read the rest of the thread, this says it all.

Anyone who actually spends time with women knows this.

All these men's rights PUA MGOW Pokemon GO hipster losers are just sad manchildren living in basemens playing with their manchild toys.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23515016 - 08/06/16 03:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Sophistic Radiance said:
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Crystal G said:
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Sophistic Radiance said:
CG, I disagree with what you said about female-on-mal rape... believe it or not, being forcibly mounted really fucks with your insides. It feels like your asshole is going to get torn loose, seriously. It hurts in a very alarming sort of way. Imagine that your dick is a battering ram being slammed backward against the muscular lining of your anus, it's not good.




That's, hmm.... interesting.

But if a woman was forcibly fucking a man that hard, wouldn't it hurt her too? I mean, I've noticed whenever one of us moves the wrong way and the dick bends weird in the pussy or something, it doesn't just hurt him, it hurts me as well. I imagine it'd be almost impossible for a woman to fuck a man to cause him pain without it causing her pain too.

Definitely gives me thought to consider though.




It's fairly common for men to have their dicks injured when bottoming even in consensual sex. So if the receptive top doesn't care about the bottom's well being, there is potential for them to do real harm, especially if they are physically larger. The top has control over the angle of penetration, they can adjust if the angle is uncomfortable for them. The bottom can't because they're pinned down.




Wouldn't this statement imply though, that the potential for pain is primarily exerted by the penetrators, rather than the people being penetrated?




I'm not sure if I understand what you mean.

The one who has the potential to cause harm to the other through reckless disregard for their well being is the one who is in control.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Turtletotem]
    #23515025 - 08/06/16 03:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Turtletotem said:
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Sophistic Radiance said:
Female privilege does not exist outside of the troubled imaginations of desperate men




No need to read the rest of the thread, this says it all.

Anyone who actually spends time with women knows this.

All these men's rights PUA MGOW Pokemon GO hipster losers are just sad manchildren living in basemens playing with their manchild toys.




Cringe worthy  "You are one of us, or you are a POS."


Personally I think gender "privileges" are about even, give or take.
I'd happily give a little here to gain a little there, but really :shrug:

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23515031 - 08/06/16 03:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not sure if I understand what you mean.

The one who has the potential to cause harm to the other through reckless disregard for their well being is the one who is in control.




Well, for the record, I think anal rape should have a worse criminal sentence than vaginal rape. I mean, getting raped in the butt HAS to be more painful.

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23515310 - 08/06/16 08:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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that would be reported victims but that becomes skewed in many instances because
in most cases where a woman strikes a man and that man strikes her back, it's the
woman the cops side with because of the female privilege of 'a man should never
hit a woman' and it's the woman's report that's filed while the man goes to jail




Well, if you're ranking based on severity, you can bet that women are suffering far more severe beatings in domestic disputes, just based on the fact that an overwhelming majority of those hospitalized for domestic battery are women.




"well it's always worse for women because they're women"

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If you're going to cite that statistic that claims that "40% of victims of domestic violence are male," you should know that study used a methodology that merely cited ANY form of hitting/kicking/spitting/hair-pulling/clawing/whatever, no matter how severe or mild, into those statistics.





or how ever nonexistent it is, plenty of women have never suffered abuse but have
filed reports against their spouse/SO simply because they could for what ever
vindictive reason they choose even when no violence occurred on the man's part


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Important thing to note, that study also did not take who was the aggressor into account.

Meaning, if a man hit a woman, and she claws his face back in self defense, that man is also considered a "victim" under that methodology.






except that it's nearly always the man that goes to jail if both parties had a
part in it and the one that's arrested is always considered the aggressor

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But I've said previously, I personally don't think that female-on-male rape should carry the same offense as male-on-female rape. The reason for this, is because when you're being penetrated against your will, it is a lot more painful and can cause all sorts of tearing. Whereas simply having your penis enveloped is not as traumatic physically, or even mentally.





rape is rape, but suddenly it's different when a woman does it to a man, she
shouldnt be punished for the act of rape because of some arbitrary bullshit
you've concocted


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For this reason alone, I don't believe women are capable of rape, unless they anally or vaginally penetrate somebody else. They are most definitely capable of sexual assault or molestation, but the word rape is not used when you touch somebody, perform oral sex on somebody, or perform other sexual acts on them.





and there's the feminazi double standard, so to you, no means yes as long as you
arent doing butt stuff to your victims, men shouldnt have a say in whether they
have sex or not, that only women have that power


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Furthermore, I hate to say this, but a lot of men really like it when women "molest" them. At least when an attractive woman does it, provided she is not too much older. I'm sure an 18 year old would be grossed out by me molesting them now and so I wouldn't dare do it and risk being that skeevy old lady, but probably if I was 20 they would have enjoyed a grope here and then I'm sure. :cookiemonster: You know that's exactly the kind of story guys would be talking on and on and bragging for years about at the bar. :ilold:





so you're saying that those make victims wanted it, was it because they were incapable of giving consent, maybe it was the way they were dressed or the way they looked at you.

you're promoting the rape of men because you believe they have fantasies of being
assaulted by a woman, so when you raped some guy it was because he wanted it


Quote:

Quote:

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/rape-happens-almost-just-as-often-to-men/





I honestly don't know why people try to cite prison statistics to make the claim that men are raped more. Like first of all, the main reason male on male rape is so high in prison is only because women aren't there. If women and men were housed together in prison, of course the primary numbers of rape victims would be primarily women.





feel free that even when excluding the prison rape statistics men are victimized
more than women and most times it's by women

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22375635
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We investigated men's experience with unwanted sexual activity-including unwanted kissing, petting, or intercourse-engaged in because of physical or psychological pressure or from societal expectations about male sexuality. We developed a questionnaire asking if respondents had ever engaged in unwanted sexual activity for any of 51 reasons. This questionnaire was administered to 507 men and 486 women. More women (97.5%) than men (93.5%) had experienced unwanted sexual activity; more men (62.7%) than women (46.3%) had experienced unwanted intercourse. Using factor analysis, we grouped the 51 questionnaire items into 13 general reasons; we then compared percentages of men and women who had engaged in unwanted sexual activity for these 13 reasons. There were seven sex differences in reasons for unwanted sexual activity: Five were more frequent for women than men; two reasons were more frequent for men than women-peer pressure and desire for popularity. There were eight sex differences in reasons for unwanted intercourse; more men than women had engaged in unwanted intercourse for all eight. The double standard for male and female sexuality and implications for therapy are discussed.



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