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What fills the Jar for the Drop Tiger Method?
    #23514928 - 08/06/16 01:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hi there,

I read elasticaltiger's "drop tiger" technique and I am sold. I have two questions, though:

1. You pour the colonized-agar-agar-inoculate-stuff into a jar once it is colonized. I'm curious what "filler" or "bulk" he has in these jars. Is it vermiculite + brown rice power + water? Looks far too grainy for that to work. 
 
2. Does this harden into a cake like the ones shown in "shea25 pf tek" that you would turn the jar upside down once it is fully colonized to smack out? Would you still roll it and put it into a fruiting chamber?

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Re: What fills the Jar for the Drop Tiger Method? [Re: jimbobape]
    #23515096 - 08/06/16 04:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm pretty sure that the tiger drop is used on grain spawn, not cakes. With cakes, you will have a dry verm layer on top that is essentially your filter. Dropping a wedge on there is useless.

By the way, the word "bulk" refers to a bulk substrate, which is normall either poo, straw or coir, or a mix of those. In this case, what you are referring to is considered as spawn. Cakes are generally called cakes but can act as spawn as well.

Do not mix the PF cakes with grains, they are two entirely different techniques. If you have a PC, you should do grains.


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Re: What fills the Jar for the Drop Tiger Method? [Re: jimbobape]
    #23515145 - 08/06/16 05:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You tiger drop into a jar filled with steralized oats, birdseed, RGS, WBS, unpopped Popcorn, millet, rye grain, whole rice brown or white, and probably some other grains.

Then once 100% colonized you smash it up and spawn it to bulk. No cake about it.  More skill is required though.


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Re: What fills the Jar for the Drop Tiger Method? [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23515173 - 08/06/16 06:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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More skill is required though.




False. Nothing skillful about shaking a jar of grains and mixing it with coir and verm. I can give it to my 2 year old nephew and she can do a pretty good job with it.

If you mean that the inoculation is what requires this "skill", inoculating a cake will be just as risky, if not more due to the 4 inoculations that you have to do.

IMHO, if someone owns a PC, he should just do grains from the get-go. This is what I did, I have never looked back and I am thankful for the people who encouraged me when I started out.

Lots of folks say that cakes are the go-to method to reduce your chances of losing everything, this is entirely inaccurate. You can use a single grain jar to spawn a single tray. Use multiple grain jars to spawn multiple trays and you fill a monotub with those trays. While with a cake, you use one jar to get one cake, with grains, you can have the same odds of success/failure with the above method.

Nothing complicated about bulk, it's time folks started to learn this.


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Re: What fills the Jar for the Drop Tiger Method? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23515237 - 08/06/16 07:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The tiger drop to grains is the shit :rockon:
Especially tic tac toe, I will do other inoculation methods out of boredom, but I always come back to the tiger drop. As far as simplicity, speed, and ease its hard to beat.


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Re: What fills the Jar for the Drop Tiger Method? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23515530 - 08/06/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Whats funny is I've never done the tiger drop xD. I prefer just dropping wedges into grain jars. 4-12 jars a plate.. Fuckin awesome!

Tho LI is boss too


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Re: What fills the Jar for the Drop Tiger Method? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23515636 - 08/06/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I love LI as well, you should give tic tac toe a shot, with all the dispersed wedges sometimes a jar will finish not too far behind LI even without a shake.


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Re: What fills the Jar for the Drop Tiger Method? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23515717 - 08/06/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thing I like about the drop methods is you can see very fast colonization and expansion is pretty quick. Take that one plate you would use for 4 masters and transfer it to 12 more plates. You can see easily if those transfers were successful. Then tic tac toe those to 12 quarts and they are done super quick. Now ya got 2 66 quart monos worth of spawn without having to fumble with g2g and like ND said it's very fast. I have seen full colonization from this as fast as it took me to see recovery on the LI.


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Re: What fills the Jar for the Drop Tiger Method? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23515900 - 08/06/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Tic tac toe :thumbdown:

Pizza slices FTW! :cookiemonster:


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Re: What fills the Jar for the Drop Tiger Method? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23515907 - 08/06/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Tic tac toe :thumbdown:

Pizza slices FTW! :cookiemonster:




I make 4 cuts and get 9 wedges. 4 pizza slice cuts gets 8 wedges. Less exposure & more nock points FTW :derfase:


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Re: What fills the Jar for the Drop Tiger Method? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23515915 - 08/06/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I make 4 cuts and get 9 wedges. 4 pizza slice cuts gets 8 wedges.




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Re: What fills the Jar for the Drop Tiger Method? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23515930 - 08/06/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: What fills the Jar for the Drop Tiger Method? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23515943 - 08/06/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:laugh2:

BTW I dont do pizza slices myself, I do ampersands! (FTW!!)


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Re: What fills the Jar for the Drop Tiger Method? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23515973 - 08/06/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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:laugh2:

BTW I dont do pizza slices myself, I do ampersands! (FTW!!)




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Re: What fills the Jar for the Drop Tiger Method? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23516103 - 08/06/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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False. Nothing skillful about shaking a jar of grains and mixing it with coir and verm. I can give it to my 2 year old nephew and she can do a pretty good job with it.

If you mean that the inoculation is what requires this "skill", inoculating a cake will be just as risky, if not more due to the 4 inoculations that you have to do.

IMHO, if someone owns a PC, he should just do grains from the get-go. This is what I did, I have never looked back and I am thankful for the people who encouraged me when I started out.

Lots of folks say that cakes are the go-to method to reduce your chances of losing everything, this is entirely inaccurate. You can use a single grain jar to spawn a single tray. Use multiple grain jars to spawn multiple trays and you fill a monotub with those trays. While with a cake, you use one jar to get one cake, with grains, you can have the same odds of success/failure with the above method.

Nothing complicated about bulk, it's time folks started to learn this.


 

Ok thank you for the info. I will probably try WBS and something else with it. Do you think you could elaborate on what to do with the colonized jar of mash after you shake it up really hard? Do you pour it onto soil? I'm guessing the "fruiting" is going to be different than simply laying the cakes down into the chamber. And I'm guessing the chamber would be built differently, too?

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Re: What fills the Jar for the Drop Tiger Method? [Re: jimbobape]
    #23516116 - 08/06/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



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