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ruaware

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Peyote Road
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Re: Can you control yourself on high doses [Re: ruaware] 1
#23514893 - 08/06/16 01:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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my advice would be don't jump from 130 ug to 500 ug. Why do you want to do that? The proper procedure is to work your way up. That way you wont even need to ask whether or not you can control yourself because you'll know how it effects you.
Different people react to high doses of psychedelics in different ways. I have never run through the streets naked or anything but i used to have a friend who ride a bike naked when he took 7 grams.
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Re: Can you control yourself on high doses [Re: ruaware]
#23514898 - 08/06/16 01:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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how is losing all control of yourself at all appealing? I like being able to control what I think. Its totally unpredictable what can happen. I like knowing im going to live to see tomorrow, and knowing im not going to put anyone is danger.
reminds me of alcoholics. I am one but Ive never been falling down shit face drunk. Or woke up in a strange place wondering how I got there or what I did with who.
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Re: Can you control yourself on high doses [Re: sprinkles]
#23514927 - 08/06/16 01:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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What kind of alcoholic has never been falling down drunk? I agree its bad to not control yourself but if youre an alcoholic then youre still damaging/killing yourself just in a different way.
i recommend kava for alcoholics. it can give you that drunk feeling you crave but without the harmful effects alcohol has on your body, nor will it cloud your mind and your judgement like alcohol. In fact, some alcoholics dont like it for that reason. They actually want their mind clouded.
Make sure you get the natural root and prepare it in the traditional method. DOn't buy the kava pills, they are a scam and dont work as well. PM me if you need a list of good vendors.
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Mike4aco
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Re: Can you control yourself on high doses [Re: Peyote Road]
#23515006 - 08/06/16 02:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im usually alone when i trip. I like doing larger doses too. Just remember i am on a drug. This drug is very powerful and there's nothing i can do about it.
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Re: Can you control yourself on high doses [Re: Mike4aco]
#23515011 - 08/06/16 03:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I trip alone too. I dont find a sitter necessary in the sense of keeping me from losing contact with reality and running through the street naked but there are times when I would like a sitter for emotional/moral support.
Sometimes I get depressed during my trips and I would like to have someone to talk about my feelings with or just keep me company. Do you feel that way Mike4aco?
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Re: Can you control yourself on high doses [Re: Peyote Road]
#23515012 - 08/06/16 03:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Honestly, there really is no preparing yourself for the experience once you reach a certain dose. 500ug is a big dose, but nothing insane. Could I hold a coherent conversation on 500ug and keep the person from realizing I was on something? Highly doubt it, however you should have enough sense of self to not do anything too stupid. Once you settle in, you actually begin to deeply analyze your decisions and actions as opposed to just doing random shit.Pretty much any dose becomes manageable after you've spent an hour or two in the void in my experience.
I've done 1000ug+ a few times, all solo. I never really did anything too stupid, although I almost called 911 admittedly when I got in over my head on 1500ug. My heart rate increased to unfathomable levels, and language completely ceased to make sense to me whether it was read or heard. I had what felt like hundreds of thoughts all making a loud case for themselves at once in my head while lacking the ability to process them...it essentially became insanity. After I looked at the clock...only a few minutes had passed.Luckily I was able to get in touch with a friend who talked me through it.
Point is if you're at least decently experienced and don't bump up your dose too much at once, you should be fine. As always, make sure you have a nice comfy setting with good music, easily accessible food/water, and maybe a benzo just in case the worst happens or you just can't fall asleep afterwards. Again this is all based on my own experience, good luck!
Edited by xThunder (08/06/16 03:07 AM)
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Mike4aco
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Re: Can you control yourself on high doses [Re: Peyote Road]
#23515015 - 08/06/16 03:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Peyote Road said: I trip alone too. I dont find a sitter necessary in the sense of keeping me from losing contact with reality and running through the street naked but there are times when I would like a sitter for emotional/moral support.
Sometimes I get depressed during my trips and I would like to have someone to talk about my feelings with or just keep me company. Do you feel that way Mike4aco?
I like a sitter to translate for me. Someone i can just tune on and talk about what i see and who can help guide the experience but not direct it. I dont like when a sitter tries to play too big of a role
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Re: Can you control yourself on high doses [Re: xThunder]
#23515017 - 08/06/16 03:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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dang 1500 ug i dont know if will ever work my way up to these dosages. For me the time i took 600 ug was insane and i have not repeated it. its not so much the losing contact with reality that makes it so insane for me, but when i go through psychologically and spiritually. a whole crazy world of insane divinity opened up and threatened to swallow me when i took 600 ug.
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Re: Can you control yourself on high doses [Re: Peyote Road]
#23515039 - 08/06/16 03:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I feel you man. Ever since that one extreme experience which was about a year ago, I haven't gone past 300ug. My trip anxiety got a lot worse after that, even taking moderate doses terrified me for a while because I just couldn't help but think back to that feeling of completely losing my mind. The substance has taught me so many beautiful, irreplaceable, life changing lessons and it killed me that I spoiled it for myself. I don't blame the substance in the slightest, I completely acknowledge that it was my own mistake for not respecting its power to the fullest. The recent trips I've done have been mostly for the purpose of "making peace" with the molecule, as we were such great friends before and I'd love to dive back into the abyss and learn more of what it has to offer me.
I'm pretty much there now, had a fantastic experience on just 200ug and I'm truly looking forward to my next experience where I plan to bump it up. Sooner or later it should be just like old times.
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Mike4aco
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Re: Can you control yourself on high doses [Re: xThunder]
#23515046 - 08/06/16 03:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I read that as if ronald j. Swanson was standing in front of me lol
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Re: Can you control yourself on high doses [Re: Mike4aco]
#23515305 - 08/06/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I took 2.6mg (2600ug) and did lose my mind entirely.
It was MUCH MORE intense because I was with people who were also on 2.6mg when I did it. High doses alone are much easier for me because I don't have to worry about what my friends might do when they're dosed that hard.
I definitely forgot my name or that I had taken drugs. It's a good idea to write yourself a note when you dose really big that says something like, "I dosed 500ug LSD at 12pm. I should be down by 12am. Relax and enjoy the experience."
Then when my concept of time gets all weird, I can count how many hours until I feel like I'll be down.
Get yourself a benzo if you're going to eat a half milligram of LSD. Even if you don't need it during the trip, you might want one so you have a way to get some sleep at the end of your trip. Enjoy the ride, friend.
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Re: Can you control yourself on high doses [Re: WeAreMushroom]
#23515356 - 08/06/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If I were you I would go to 300ug and work your way up especially if you don't have a sitter. I myself have experienced and ego death before briefly on 300 ug actually. That's nowhere near the most I have ever took but what I'm trying to say is that you don't need as much as you prolly think to have a real profound experience. Than after you have a 300ug trip think about uppin the anty next time around after that will just help you get a feel for what a strong dose will be like. Also I read someone else saying this earlier to tell yourself that your just on a drug everything is OK and its all in your head if for some reason your feeling anxious. That has helped me in times of anxiety during tough times. I myself have no problem when I'm tripping after I learned that its OK to let go and that everything that's happening is the drugs I've have had very little issues. I can think of two times within the last 10 years where I've had moments of anxiety and panic and those were both on 500-600ug sometimes on those doses even if you know its the drugs it can be tough that's why its a good idea to work your way up to taking yourself to that place. The more comfortable you are with lucy the better she will treat ya.
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Edited by AVShroomer (08/06/16 08:45 AM)
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Re: Can you control yourself on high doses [Re: ruaware]
#23515417 - 08/06/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, I can control myself with heroic doses.
The most powerful experience I ever had with a high dose of mushrooms I couldn't move, which is common when taking large doses especially with lignicolous fungi, I was very mushroom drunk when I tried to walk, so just laid down and enjoyed the ride. As with all heroic doses, I lay down and fall into myself, fall into the universe within.
I think some people can handle such doses time and time again without any problems, but others might freak out. I knew a girl that took 7grms cubes, she ended up freaking out, pulling cat shit out of a litter box and painting the walls of her place with it.
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Re: Can you control yourself on high doses [Re: Lucis]
#23515721 - 08/06/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah its true you dont need mega super doses to have profound experience. mega high doses are for people who have already swum through the waters of lower and moderate doses and desire for whatever reason to keep going. but if youre nlot experienced in the high dose range, there is no reson to jump to the mega high dose range in my opinion.
there are many ways to set up for a profound experience without a mega dose.
set and setting of course. perform a ritual, use candles and incense and/ or read passages from a spiritual book. the psychedelic exp. by timotjhy lesary aplert and metsnzer has been amazing for me in helping me to recognize what is happening during a psychedelic experience and remain calm.
learn how to really let go.
select music that takes you really deep.
meditate beforehand.
try the mckenna method (5 gram in silent darkness)
there are so many different ways to approach a psychedelic experience and make it profound dose is just one factor.
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Re: Can you control yourself on high doses [Re: Peyote Road]
#23515815 - 08/06/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I never drank to the point of non-functional or annebriated. I didn't have to beacuse I lived it every single day as a child having to witness the horrendous affects alcohol has and the destructive behavior associated with it.
I swore i would never be like that. That I would never drink ever. No one told me that despite the conviction I had about it, it is a genetic disease and I should never pick it up, not even once. I didnt even drink on my 21st birthday. I didnt start drinking till I was in my late twenties. Well 26 when I started dating a cop, before then I smoked weed. It wasnt legal here and he hates drug users with a passion. Anyway Id have a wine cooler occassionally after work, then daily, then heavily at 30.
I dont drink anymore, and havent for years. Going on 3 now.
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Re: Can you control yourself on high doses [Re: sprinkles]
#23515932 - 08/06/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oops, I thought this thread was about real drugs, not alcohol.
I did one alcohol one time. Going to go for a heroic dose next time, I'm gonna do 2 alcohol. Wish me luck.
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Re: Can you control yourself on high doses [Re: WeAreMushroom]
#23515946 - 08/06/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree with AVShroomer. I almost did 450 mics but ended up doing 300, and that ripped my head off. Never have I gone that insane from a dose. Maybe because I wasn't in the right state of mind as well, but I was tripping hard, flipped out on somebody, and had an ego death.
And no, I couldn't control myself. People say that can't control themselves on shrooms but I can do a whole lot better with them than acid. Lucy is a fierce woman.
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