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partyboy420247
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First time grow in spawn bags
#23514493 - 08/05/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello. I just got my deluxe spawn bag incubation kit and 5-grain spawn bags, and my spore syringes in the mail today. I pulled the needles out of the sterile wrappers and immediately injected the self healing ports, and then I put the bags in the dark. I haven't done much more than that since they didn't send me any kind of directions. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this grow kit, or that could possibly help me figure out what I'm doing, because they won't even respond to my e-mail for the instructions that they're supposed to include in the box. Any help would be greatly appreciated
Edited by partyboy420247 (08/06/16 12:44 PM)
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dankington
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In the dark? without flaming the needle or anything? 
And Growkits suck
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partyboy420247
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Re: First time grow in spawn bags [Re: dankington]
#23514543 - 08/05/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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What should I do, then? I watched a YouTube video for a similar bag, and the guy in the video said that you don't have to flame the needle if it's already sterile. Please help me, I guess I don't know how to do this very well
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dankington
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spores shouldn't even be taken straight to grain! 
It's okay. See what you get, and don't cry if it's not great. Because it won't be. There's tons of great info on here, if you use the search post function, and use the filters. Don't search past a couple of years or so, and you can check the TC checkbox. Learn everything you can in there.
SpitballJedi's the Basics is a great place to start.
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partyboy420247
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Re: First time grow in spawn bags [Re: dankington]
#23514574 - 08/05/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't understand. This is exactly what the company told me to do. Did I make a mistake by injecting the spores into the spawn bags?
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dankington
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That's right. It may be okay, but that's just not typically how we do things around here.
Spore syringes should really be taken to agar or BRF cakes (PF tek). This is because they are never sterile and will invite contaminants in to the spawn.
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partyboy420247
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Re: First time grow in spawn bags [Re: dankington]
#23514621 - 08/05/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you. I'll watch for contamination. So, how do I incubate the bags now? This kit has equipment to keep water warm for incubating, like an aquarium heater, but I have no idea how to set it up, since they didn't give me any instructions. Also, you mentioned that I had them in the dark. Is that a bad thing?
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partyboy420247
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Someone, please help me. I don't want to ruin my investment by giving improper storage to the spawn bags
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dankington
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don't incubate. keep it room temperature
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spacechildo
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Re: First time grow in spawn bags [Re: dankington]
#23515288 - 08/06/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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spores to grain bags are bound to get bacterial. the company assholes should know better.
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partyboy420247
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Re: First time grow in spawn bags [Re: spacechildo]
#23515293 - 08/06/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So, what you're telling me is that I wasted all my time and money doing this in the first place?
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spacechildo
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most likely, but you may still get some fruits from it. bags should be inoculated with LC/LI or g2g transfer with live myc.
just forget about the bag for a few weeks while reading up on howto DIY on the shroomery, then checkit and see if there's still hope.
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No, what he's telling you is that the people that made your mushroom video don't know what they are talking about. We do. So listen to us, not them.
Injecting spores directly to spawn is risky, but it's not something you can't do. If you do it, you will likely end up with bacterial spawn. This might mean you'll have a tougher time colonizing, it could stall or contaminate easier with mold. Bacterial infected spawn that ended up colonizing either can fruit, but most times not very well. I've done bacterial rye to cases hpoo and coir or verm, it is does affect yield and contaminate easier.
What he's saying above is putting spores to agar first is a much better way to avoid bacterial contaminations or mold. It is a way to see if your spores are clean, and a way to know that you are removing a contaminate vector from the inoculation stage, at least in regard to spores and agar.
You should be colonizing at 70-75 F. I don't care what video said what. Incubating is not necessary. We've learned a lot about mushroom since the 80s and 90s. Colonize on a shelf somewhere at room temp.
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spacechildo
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Re: First time grow in spawn bags [Re: Mushierage]
#23515443 - 08/06/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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no, what I'm saying is that spores to bag is a bad idea because you gotta wait for germination and then colonization of a whole bag. and you cant order a bag and then start spores on agar, grains has a window of 2 weeks or so to get colonized. so bags ordered online has already spent a lot of time on a shelf waiting for you to buy it, then through shipping and god knows how much temp difference.
please dont put words in my mouth in the future eh?
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Re: First time grow in spawn bags [Re: spacechildo]
#23515511 - 08/06/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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OP, around here we don't like to name drop sponsors. You should totally edit your first post and take the names of the sponsors out.
Hopefully you still have more in your spore syringe. If you do, I would try to innoc some pastyplates and be working toward a clean culture while you are waiting for your bag(s?) to colonize.
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Just to clarify.
Spores to grain can work but it's risky. Because the spores may take a long time to germ, because they often have contams hitching a ride. These things lessen the odds greatly. You may see fruits. But don't be surprised if it goes bad.
There are ways to make spores to grain less risky, like around 75% success. But those don't involve buying premade shit.
Premade stuff blows. Getting 100% sterilization with the equipment we have at our level is not possible. What we actually mean is that any surviving bacteria is usually damaged enough and in small enough numbers, that we can get ahead of it. This is referred to our window of colonization. If you can get your spawn expansion and spawn run done within this time frame, you won't have anything to worry about.
But a premade bag sits on a shelf for a week. Then ships for 3 days. Then you wait for 4-14 days for the spores to germinate. Most of your window is now gone. You might squeeze in under the wire. But it's gonna be close. There are also other variables like the guy being paid 10 bux an hour to sterilize the grain wants to clock out 10 min early so he shorts the run on the spawn. Now your window is even shorter.
See where this all goes? A good home cultivator can see 95% success easily. But now with a premade bag and spores your odds are more like 50-50.
Course loads of noobs do it once and claim it works every time. They get defensive. Then they start seeing loads of contams and get frustrated, leave the hobby, and we never see them again.
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partyboy420247
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Okay, that helps. Thank you for the information. I'm literally flying blind here, with no response from the company that I ordered the supplies from. I just wanted a beginner's setup for now until I have more time and experience to run a different setup. I also live in a small apartment, so my space is limited. So, just to make sure that I'm getting this right, my best bet for the time being would be to keep the temperature at 70-75 and keep the bags in the dark?
And I edited my original post. Sorry about that.
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spacechildo
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no point keeping it in the dark, just leave it alone at those temps if you can for a week or 2.
easiest noob way to get mushrooms is pf-tek, they can handle a fair bit of bacteria since they arent broken up afterwards.
Pasty just explained why bags and pre-made stuff is bad way better than I did, trust yourself more than some sloppy joe doing his 9-5 job!
www.mushroomvideos.com video 1-4 explains pf-tek, no pressure cooker needed, maybe 50$ investment total..
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partyboy420247
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Re: First time grow in spawn bags [Re: spacechildo]
#23516009 - 08/06/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks a lot. I didn't want to rely on these bags, and I'm willing to learn and be extremely careful with sanitation, but it's hard to find anything for a beginner. All I've seen is extremely complicated setups, or the one that I bought. I'll check out that link, too. So, if my bags do end up colonizing, what do I do to get them to fruit? The company that I'm dealing with says to put the inoculated bag's contents in a plastic bin with a HEPA breathing tube coming out of it, and put the contents of the casing bag over the top of it. Is it really that simple?
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Pastywhyte
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God that's actually too complicated. Passive systems are best.
If you want to expand to bulk your best bet and simplist route is a monotub. In essence it's a tub with 6 holes. Mix your colonized grain with bucket prepped coir and verm in the tub. We then stuff the holes with poly and leave it alone. Come back to harvest.
Looks like this
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