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unsui888
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Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK?
#23514141 - 08/05/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I followed 69ron's D-Limo TEK (here) to extract some mescaline from 110g of dried San Pedro cactus.
After following the directions and scraping up the evaporated vinegar, I only extracted a measley 220mg of an orange/reddish goo. How is it possible to only get 220mg from 110g of cactus? This extraction cost me about $100, and for it to result in such a small amount is pretty fucking disheartening.
Anybody else not get good yields from this TEK?
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: unsui888]
#23514304 - 08/05/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have you tried the powdered cactus in any other way to gauge its potency? Maybe that was bunk or maybe you messed up on one of the steps somehow 
What about the extraction cost 100$?
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: musiclover420]
#23518603 - 08/07/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everyone knows the mescaline content of San Pedro is extremely variable, particularly in N. America, you probably just got one with low amounts.
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: unsui888]
#23523986 - 08/09/16 04:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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unsui888 said: So I followed 69ron's D-Limo TEK (here) to extract some mescaline from 110g of dried San Pedro cactus.
After following the directions and scraping up the evaporated vinegar, I only extracted a measley 220mg of an orange/reddish goo. How is it possible to only get 220mg from 110g of cactus? This extraction cost me about $100, and for it to result in such a small amount is pretty fucking disheartening.
Anybody else not get good yields from this TEK?
I can't remember how many d-limo pulls this tek calls for, or how many vinegar saltings... But you can always do further pulls if not satisfied with yields!
When you pull from the cactus just make sure to use fresh d-limo and really expose the material to the solvent.
When salting with vinegar I always put it in a sealed container and shake it until it's mostly foam/emulsion. It separates quickly.
Also it's hard to expect more than 1% crude alkaloid from dried cactus. You can probably still get your gram though if you are diligent. IMO this tek is best with at least 300g. That way you can expect at least .5g+ on your first pull and a lot of times it will be mostly pure mesc acetate sans other cactus alkaloids (i.e. the holy grail).
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#23524181 - 08/09/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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My only attempt as Mescaline extraction was a fail.
I think it was either just very low potency cactus or the PH was off (the PH strips color chart had colors too similar to get a proper reading... it was mostly educatef guesses)
Id say try again with cactus from a different source.
Im very experienced with DMT extraction and can produce a very pure crystal product, so Id *like* to think I could manage Mescaline too
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: musiclover420]
#23524981 - 08/09/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: What about the extraction cost 100$? 
I have this tek under consideration right now.
The D-Limo costs me at least $30 per liter. I will need several liters. The same amount of money I have to spend on cactus. It didn't seem very economical to me.
There are several other teks, but I liked this one as it had this "organic" feel, all the stuff was less poisonous than the other strong acid-base teks.
I'm now considering the microwave teks, but haven't done all my homework yet. IIRC all I need is a lot of acetone, and the rest is kitchen stuff.
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: unsui888]
#23525022 - 08/09/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The only time I tried to extract mescaline was with 69ron and it was a total failure. Granted, I did fuck up a part of the tek, but I'm sure I didn't fuck it up so bad that all of it should have been inactive. And yet it was. Sad to say, I ate over a gram of the resulting stuff with no effects (and yes it was thoroughly disgusting).
I've heard about more problems with 69ron than successes, frankly. I would trust an A/B extracting far more.
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: Hanz]
#23525034 - 08/09/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Damn that's crazy it costs so much just for the limonene over there 
Seems like it may be worth just making a water/ alcohol resin and spending the extra $ on more cacti 
I feel you about the limonene being the best though I imagine acetone would be more economic especially if your not using bridgesii or peyote and trying to extract all the secondary alkaloids...
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: nooneman]
#23525038 - 08/09/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: The only time I tried to extract mescaline was with 69ron and it was a total failure. Granted, I did fuck up a part of the tek, but I'm sure I didn't fuck it up so bad that all of it should have been inactive. And yet it was. Sad to say, I ate over a gram of the resulting stuff with no effects (and yes it was thoroughly disgusting).
I've heard about more problems with 69ron than successes, frankly. I would trust an A/B extracting far more.
Yes, still thinking, go with A/B and mess with some nasty chems, or go with one of the alternative ones. Some seem pretty good. Like the one I mentioned doing acetone washes after some microwave sessions. More homework needed...
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: musiclover420]
#23525055 - 08/09/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Damn that's crazy it costs so much just for the limonene over there 
Seems like it may be worth just making a water/ alcohol resin and spending the extra $ on more cacti 
I feel you about the limonene being the best though I imagine acetone would be more economic especially if your not using bridgesii or peyote and trying to extract all the secondary alkaloids...
Might have been a bad deal though. Maybe if I buy a 5 liter can and look for the special deals I could get the price down. Still, I got the impression that the D-Limo was going to cost about the same as the cactus itself. And that's not cheap here in the NL at all either, as it's all greenhouse. I know I could get some online, but I've got my own trusted local cactus source, I believe he has reliable quality and would never sell me less than the best he has. Not so sure if I buy online.
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: Hanz]
#23525099 - 08/09/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You should consider just making a resin unless your set on a fairly purified product, its much simpler and will also be full spectrum and food safe.
I have seen some great deals online but they can be rare and often are US only sellers, paying more for local quality could definitely be worth it.
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: musiclover420]
#23525272 - 08/09/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not sure I want full spectrum.. Idk why not. Do I want full spectrum?
Having pure crystals, or almost pure, has its attractions for me. It gives me more control over the dose and makes the experience more reproducible, ie, not dependent on particular full spectrum alkaloids.
H.
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: Hanz]
#23525325 - 08/09/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well limonene is less selective I believe and will pull out more then just the mesc as would an alcohol or water resin.
If you want pure crystals you may want to just look into an a/b with a more selective solvent
Do you know what kind of cacti your going to get locally? As long as its not bridgesii I doubt you will waste much by not doing a full spectrum extract.
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: musiclover420]
#23525361 - 08/09/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have a bunch of Peruvian Torch dried chips right now, skinned and dried myself. I can get just about any other kind of psychoactive cactus from this connect. Peyote, Bridgesii, Penis, they're just not cheap. I think I payed about 35 euros per 35cm PT.
Until now I've been hesitant to take it as I can't tell what the strength is exactly. This goes against my usual ways of doing a new (for me) drug. Start low, reproduce until sure, step up. This made me want to start with extracts.
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: Hanz]
#23525444 - 08/09/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I want to say P torch has some of the MDMA like alkaloids found in some active cacti but I am not positive 
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Not eating enough is a more common issue with mesc I believe but you should go with whatever feels right to you I suppose.
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: musiclover420]
#23526139 - 08/09/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trust me guys, a/b is way more of a bitch and you don't necessarily get a better product. Xylene is not something you can get away with using indoors. It will stink for days, also it wants to dissolve everything so spills are a nightmare.
69ron's is easy! I wonder where everyone is going wrong? You have to get the water/dry cactus /base ratio right at the beginning and it works great. You also need to really squeeze the fuck out of the limo-soaked cactus mix. I used to use a big French press - press and drain, then stir the powder and repeat until no more liquid squeezes out. That's a good test for water content too - if the cactus mix is too wet, it will slime through a filter press (you have to start over...)
Do multiple pulls and salt it out w vinegar, repeat. Evap everything and consider doing a wash to clean it up.
I prefer pure mesc or cactus tea to the 'full spectrum' extract produced by this, so I always purify into beautiful waxy-tan mesc acetate. That stuff is pure gold!
The real brilliance of this tek is the stb style w calc hydroxide and the perfect amount of water (caoh cuts the mucelage somehow). It turns a slimy xylene soaked shit show into a nice citrusy hobby-style project. The other brilliant concept is aiming for mesc acetate rather than the classic HCl or sulfate. HCl and sulfuric acid don't evaporate as readily as acetic acid. When you salt with the stronger acids you are left with mesc and lots of excess acid that needs to be cleaned with painstakingly made anhydrous acetone, or you risk eating dangerous strong acids (trip ruiner). The excess acetic acid just evaps away (unlike any other reasonably obtained salting option), and even if it didn't it's just vinegar.
Oh yeah I used to salt with straight seltzer water and make mesc carbonate. That worked fine too...
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#23526161 - 08/09/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, tea or resin is truly incredible too. Unless you're a real drug connoisseur tea or resin will satisfy whatever you wanted out of mesc.
Cactus is the best psychedelic. It's gentle enough your mom would enjoy it, but it still has enough power to satisfy any ancient chavin sorceror.
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#23526166 - 08/09/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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How do you get mescaline acetate?
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: mushpunx]
#23526243 - 08/09/16 09:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mesc (and other cactus alks) acetate is the product of salting your NP solvent pulls with vinegar. The acetic acid bonds w the mesc freebase (mesc's form when in the d-limo) and forms a 'salt.' In salt form, most alkaloids are much more stable - they retain potency better and are water soluble, ideal for oral/nasal/rectal/IV use. A smokable alkaloid would usually be used in freebase form, like DMT. This is because freebases usually have much lower vaporisation temperatures, so the chemicals can be used that way. Like crack cocaine - one doesn't smoke powder coke (cocaine hcl) because it doesn't vape right and just burns up.
PS a lot of people have experimented with other roa's for mesc. You really only have oral and rectal as options. Don't try to smoke or snort it, and definitely don't IV a chem you extracted yourself (or anything actually). Rectal increased the potency of mesc acetate for me something like 3x (I tripped from 30mg, no joke).
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Re: Mescaline extraction failure with 69ron's TEK? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#23526609 - 08/09/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It cost about $100 due to the price of dried cacti powder (about $60 with shipping for a 1/4lb.) and D-Limonene (about $30 for around 800-1000mL), plus pickling lime, vinegar, and other essentials.
I did a second rinse with some fresh D-limo and now have a total of 310mg. Perhaps I will just do another rinse with some fresh D-limo and call it quits. I was hoping to get a full gram to split with my brother. I have dosed 350mg of mescaline hcl before, so really wanted to try a higher dose. Perhaps this will call for an LSD/mesc combo some day soon.
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