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OfflineYaMoonSun
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College Degrees - Do they help?
    #23513611 - 08/05/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I feel like once I have a degree, employers will want me, but I have heard of people being turned down because they're over qualified. I feel like employment is more important than the degree, but I can't see myself doing anything other than physical labor without a degree, and I'm a bit on the disabled side so that really isn't even an option for me.


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Re: College Degrees - Do they help? [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #23513652 - 08/05/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you have a college degree then it is very helpful in getting a job after you have a couple years experience.

As near as I can tell, when it comes to making money greed, tenacity and stupidity is more helpful than a degree in most cases.

If you are applying for a bullshit job, then yes, you have to lie about your degree.  Sounds much better if you say "I dropped out of high school my Sophmore year and got a GED because I was bored."


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Re: College Degrees - Do they help? [Re: quetzel]
    #23513668 - 08/05/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Right? Then they think they can work you extra hours and yell at you for getting over-time. Or call you into work can just not pay you at all. I've been hearing some crazy stories about a local pizzeria :facepalm3:


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Re: College Degrees - Do they help? [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #23513683 - 08/05/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Depends.


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Re: College Degrees - Do they help? [Re: Mojo]
    #23514087 - 08/05/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They already think they can work you extra hours and fuck you out of your pay.  A degree doesn't change that.

Might make the boss who is trapped in a shit dead end job resent you more though.


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Re: College Degrees - Do they help? [Re: quetzel]
    #23514768 - 08/05/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

College degrees help to the extent that people perceive there is value in obtaining one.

The degree of prestige of the academic institution where you acquired your degree is also an important factor in determining its overall value.


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Re: College Degrees - Do they help? [Re: overlord]
    #23515210 - 08/06/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you are real good looking/ and or you have a wonderful personality a degree can be useful. Otherwise Engineering or Accounting from the top schools in the country can work. There are a lot of exceptions but looks and personality work. Lot's of exceptions like a masters of Library Science from the U of I will get you some kind of  a job. But Academia is not what it's made out to be. Computer Science used to be a sure thing. It's not anymore (maybe computer engineering). The right personal connections mean as much as the right credentials.


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Re: College Degrees - Do they help? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #23522404 - 08/08/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

it depends, are you getting a lib arts degree or an engineering degree?


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Re: College Degrees - Do they help? [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #23524419 - 08/09/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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YaMoonSun said:
I feel like once I have a degree, employers will want me, but I have heard of people being turned down because they're over qualified. I feel like employment is more important than the degree, but I can't see myself doing anything other than physical labor without a degree, and I'm a bit on the disabled side so that really isn't even an option for me.



- Bigger companies (Like Dow Diamonds, and the Government) tend to value education more.
- Smaller companies tend to care more about cost, and disregard education.
- When a smaller company is bidding on jobs from big firms, they must state the level of education on the bid. Example: Company A and B are bidding on a job, and each offer 100 people. Company A has 50 with college degrees; company B, only 20. In this case, A will probably win the bid.
- Education does help you to learn faster. The quickest way to learn something is to have someone teach it to you.

So, if you want a job with a big company, that pays a salary, with benefits, then education is important. Of course, you'll have to play life by their rules: sign away all of your innovations, submit to drug testing, etc.


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Re: College Degrees - Do they help? [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
    #23527016 - 08/10/16 03:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't get why it has to be 2 years then 4 years to get a "degree". The union apprenticeships like the construction trades takes even longer as it is "continuing". Whatever that means. I wish I could get to the point of doing sonography work without 2 years of unnecessary schooling.

Not sure what field is possible to skip schooling but just self study and pass the certifications. I think the computer field is an open field where skills and knowledge dominates not how much schooling you got. Ask bill gates or the Facebook guy.

I was told by an IT guy who is just finishing his bachelors at a university for IT. He told me for IT work no schooling is mandatory but knowledge and passing the certification is what's important. Education and degrees come in handy only to those who went to school for IT but have no desire to be in the field but was only there because his or her parents wanted their kids to have a degree in something. In other words, in the computer field it is wide open. I've looked into ethical hacking certification and COMPTIA and network security. I think it's a great field that's expanding faster than what the books in an ivy league school have. This means if you think you can pioneer or engineer something, you got a niche skill. I could only wonder what became of the pioneers early on in the computer and internet age of the 90s. I bet the early hackers of the day are probably spies now working high paying jobs.

If anyone here know more about how to get certified in ethical hacking and other niche fields let me know via IM.


Edited by CLIT (08/10/16 03:22 AM)


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Re: College Degrees - Do they help? [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #23527233 - 08/10/16 05:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It depends on the career field.

Some jobs require them, others less so. For younger individuals that lack experience, a degree is a nice "foot in the door." For more experienced managers/leaders, I don't see much logic in denying an applicant because they are overqualified. The only rationale for turning someone down because they appear over qualified is because they may leave the position rather quickly. However, managing turnover is part of being the boss.


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Re: College Degrees - Do they help? [Re: CLIT]
    #23527276 - 08/10/16 06:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's been a couple decades since I was around these people, but guys who were skilled at writing code got hired and promoted with BA's like philosophy or Asain Studies. THis was A BIG tech town with lots of startups. People with computer degrees were failing in the market,  but guys could write code were getting snatched up and working 6-12 months and then getting promoted to other sides of country, south or west. I have no knowledge if these conditions still exist. I know people with CS who don't get jobs but I think If you're a talented programmer the positions are there regardless of what you're degree is in.


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