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"Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms
    #23512985 - 08/05/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So there was a thread here recently on dosage comparisons between LSD and shrooms and apparently it was at least partially started because I had said in another different thread that imo 250ug of LSD was about equal in strength to 3.5 grams of good quality mushrooms and so he disagreed I guess and made a new thread on dosage comparisons.

So I'm just wondering now due to reading yet another thread this time where mescaline was mentioned what do you think would be the mescaline hcl "dosage equivalent" in say milligrams compared to 3.5 grams of shrooms or 250ug of LSD?

Would each one be different for you?
Is mescaline even comparable in anyway to LSD and shrooms in terms of intensity and psychedelia or is it simply too different?

I ask this because I know mescaline isn't a tryptamine and reading this other thread I was talking about I saw someone (you probably know who you are) mention that mescaline is no less psychedelic than the other classics but he had met someone who did say that he found san pedro not to be that psychedelic.

It could just be because it was weak but you can also chime in on your opinions about san pedro or even peyote if you want to.


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 1
    #23513030 - 08/05/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There is no equivalent dosage imo. Every psychedelic is unique in its own special way.


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #23513036 - 08/05/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So you wouldn't say 3 grams of mushrooms is similar in intensity in anyway compared to say 300 to 400mg of mescaline?


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23513049 - 08/05/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ive never done mescaline. I definitely wouldn't compare mushrooms to lsd in anyway though, they are completely different feelings. Its kind of like comparing opiods to alcohol, while they are both depressants they are completely different feeling.


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #23513083 - 08/05/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

To me all tryptamines are very comparable :shrug:

The differences in effects honestly isn't usually that dramatic it still has kind of the same core feeling in a way. The major difference between LSD and shrooms other than length of the trip would be their characters. Their characters/personalities whatever you want to call it are very different and they each have very different and unique archetypes but in terms effects and what's possible they're not really much different.

I suspect that if you and drugged me while I was sleeping with either psilocin or LSD in a pill and woke me up in the middle of the trip I probably wouldn't be able to tell which one I was on honestly. At least not right away. However there would be certain things that I know if I saw I would know I was on LSD (like kaleidoscopes) and certain things if they happened I would know it was shrooms (like feelings).


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23513153 - 08/05/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ive only had mescaline once, i had 1100grams wet/48grams dried was about 18inches of cactus pretty thick. Was bridgesii.  It was stronger than 3g dried shrooms. However every cactus, even of the same type can vary widely so ive read and so it can be hard to judge.

But thats about the extent of my knowledge im afraid sorry :shrug: i know doesnt really answer your question.

The bonus for me is mescaline last so much longer :smile: was amazing, and really is true when folks say its forgiving and brings you up so nice and gentle over a few hours no anxiety and such.

To me lsd and shrooms have a very different feel, and a very diff body high. And mesacline again feels different. All special in their own way :smile:


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: Spellbound]
    #23513218 - 08/05/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The following is not dosage advice it is personal trials and results.

Proscaline~ 70mg
Allyescaline~ 45mg
Escaline~60mg
Mescaline-nbome~60 mg

Those are all approximate doses for me but i wouldn't go and jump in at that dose. Those are comparable rc mescaline analogues.


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: Spellbound]
    #23513317 - 08/05/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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To me lsd and shrooms have a very different feel, and a very diff body high. And mesacline again feels different. All special in their own way :smile:




Is LSD more similar to mescaline than shrooms?


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23513357 - 08/05/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

For me, i really have always preffered the natural occuring things like shrooms and such, while i do enjoy lsd, or 1p-lsd as thats all i have tho have had real lsd in the past, theres just such a nicer feel to natural ones, plus i feel i can regain a lot of control on lsd, but shrooms take you where they wana lol. I like that :smile: mescaline also allows for clear thinking and some control.

As for similar, hmm, i think they all have some similarities to a degree, i like the body high on shrooms and mescaline best, compared to lsd, the mesacline was so gentle even though was strong, whereas lsd feels faster racey in comparision, to me. I think ill always favour shrooms and mesacline to any man made compounds hahaha just my preferance.

So where control is concerned, for me, lsd is closer to mescaline, than to shrooms. Lsd and shrooms when i close my eyes both gave a lot of greens and purples.

Its hard to compare as while they all have some similarities, they also all have their own unique feel to them. Plus ive had the others loads, mescaline just once so far.

Lsd and shrooms end much faster. Lsd keeps me awake after the peak much longer. They all have a nice body high shrooms being my fav of the three.  If i HAD to choose, id say closer to mesc than shrooms, as both last longer both allow for more control.

Hmm, yeah so make of my rambling what you will :lol:


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23513384 - 08/05/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So you wouldn't say 3 grams of mushrooms is similar in intensity in anyway compared to say 300 to 400mg of mescaline?




I don't know.  How many mg is in 14g peyote dried?  To make a long story short, whatever that amount, 3g mushies isn't even in the same zip code.  Maybe upwards of 7g for your shrooms, though I'm not for certain on the 7g. as I haven't ventured there, yet.


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: KenInVic]
    #23513395 - 08/05/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The big issue is all shrooms and cactus can vary in potency, so theres not really a comparison for dosage, just in my opinion :shrug:


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: Spellbound]
    #23513584 - 08/05/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

San pedro contains other alkaloids, not just mescaline and its supposed to be like the weakest cactus so its not a very good conparison. Mescaline HCl would be better.



Ive never tried it though. im just here to see what people with experience say.


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23513780 - 08/05/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

250-300mg of mesc hcl is like 100ug of lsd


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23513963 - 08/05/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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250-300mg of mesc hcl is like 100ug of lsd




Ah I see. Do you think any kind of dose of shrooms could compare to 250/300mg of mescaline hcl?


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23514186 - 08/05/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hard to compare shrooms and mesc


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23514289 - 08/05/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So there was a thread here recently on dosage comparisons between LSD and shrooms and apparently it was at least partially started because I had said in another different thread that imo 250ug of LSD was about equal in strength to 3.5 grams of good quality mushrooms and so he disagreed I guess and made a new thread on dosage comparisons.




I think 250 ug of LSD is way stronger than an 8th of shrooms, I mean way stronger. For me 100 ug of LSD is equivalent to an 8th of shrooms.


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23514791 - 08/06/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Mike4aco said:
The following is not dosage advice it is personal trials and results.

Proscaline~ 70mg
Allyescaline~ 45mg
Escaline~60mg
Mescaline-nbome~60 mg

Those are all approximate doses for me but i wouldn't go and jump in at that dose. Those are comparable rc mescaline analogues.



Yeah you need way more real mescaline than that..  This scares me though.  I feel like some idiot is going to get ahold of a mescaline-like rc, and do way too high of a dose, because they think it's mescaline. 

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Hard to compare shrooms and mesc




I def see where you are coming from.  Mescaline does feel alot more like lsd than mushrooms.  I actually like the mescaline trip slightly better than lsd, but hate the puking factor.  Mushrooms also have some different varieties with varying potencies, and some can be degraded because how they were produced/stored.

I've never taken more than 1000mg of mescaline, and I've done a way higher comparable dose of lsd.  It's just a guarantee that you'll puke your brains out on 1000mg of mescaline, that I don't even want to see what more than that will do to my body.  I agree on the 250-300mg being like 100ug.  For some reason though, I've taken 250 mg before and not even felt much.  What makes it even stranger is sometimes I'll puke a bunch off 600mg, and on occasion I can avoid the puking.  The higher the dose of mescaline, the more likely you are to puke.

It's been too long since I've experienced mescaline..  I need some in my life soon.


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: bigbitch]
    #23514935 - 08/06/16 01:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I never puke on mescaline and Ive taken some mega doses of San Pedro. I get really nauseas for about 1.5 to 2 hrs but then the nausea passes and its a  super strong trip. I agree mescaline is much more similar to LSD than it is to shrooms. SOmetimes on mescaline I will be reminded of the old days when I first tried acid because it can feel so similar.

The interesting thing about mescaline though is how it works to open the heart. Neither LSD nor shrooms do that, its what makes mescaline so special in my opinion.

The native americans saw peyote as a sacred heart.


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23514968 - 08/06/16 02:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I never puke on mescaline and Ive taken some mega doses of San Pedro. I get really nauseas for about 1.5 to 2 hrs but then the nausea passes and its a  super strong trip.




Hmm that's interesting.  I've actually never done a cutting, or tea or any of that!  All I've ever done is eat pure mescaline hcl powder, synthesized synthetically. (I actually tried to shoot a large amount in liquid solution up my ass once, in an attempt to bypass nausea, not recommended..)  It does still have a very nice vibe about the trip.  I almost always get nauseated off of a larger dose though.  It is usually only for the first few hrs, and I can puke, chill, and get past that. 

I think it's interesting that you never puke.  The nausea is from it affecting some 5ht_  receptor.  So it seems like no matter if you did synthetic mescaline powder, or used real cacti, we should both get nauseated/sick.  Maybe you can just resist puking more than me.  I would think all of the extra stuff in the real cacti would make you even more sick!


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: bigbitch]
    #23515005 - 08/06/16 02:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You should try the cactus and report back how it compares to mescaline HCL. I am of the belief that the other alkaloids help contribute to making a better experience,.


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23515340 - 08/06/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think 250 ug of LSD is way stronger than an 8th of shrooms, I mean way stronger. For me 100 ug of LSD is equivalent to an 8th of shrooms.




. I feel like an eigrh of good cubes, intensity wise is about equivelant to 100 mics of LSD.  One gram of mushrooms would be equivolant to about 20 mics of LSD.

. As far ad mescaline. Once I drank half a cup made from one foot of san Pedro. While I had slight effects, such as a gram of mushrooms or 20 mics of LSD. Intensity wise. As far as feeling. Mescaline to me felt like the texture of mushroom visuals,body feel. But the flow of it was nice and light like LSD.


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #23515450 - 08/06/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Every psychedelic is unique in its own special way.





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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23515498 - 08/06/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You should try the cactus and report back how it compares to mescaline HCL. I am of the belief that the other alkaloids help contribute to making a better experience,.



Hmm, that's interesting.  I'll definitely try that someday.  I almost need to have both on hand, for a period of time, to compare.  It's been a few years since my last mescaline hcl trip.  I remember I was driving to take care of some important business on a country road early morning, as I was coming off of it.  The sun and moon aligned, it was very pretty!


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23515629 - 08/06/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I never puke on mescaline ...




Trade you spots.  A half ounce of dry peyote this last April had me doing projectile that would have made a N. Korean missle test proud.  Once the spent cactus was gone though, HELLO.  :crazy2:


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: whitelights] * 1
    #23515771 - 08/06/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think 250 ug of LSD is way stronger than an 8th of shrooms, I mean way stronger. For me 100 ug of LSD is equivalent to an 8th of shrooms.




. I feel like an eigrh of good cubes, intensity wise is about equivelant to 100 mics of LSD.  One gram of mushrooms would be equivolant to about 20 mics of LSD.

. As far ad mescaline. Once I drank half a cup made from one foot of san Pedro. While I had slight effects, such as a gram of mushrooms or 20 mics of LSD. Intensity wise. As far as feeling. Mescaline to me felt like the texture of mushroom visuals,body feel. But the flow of it was nice and light like LSD.




you got a weak Pedro (which I like honestly). I have had Pedros where 12 inch was a major trip. I have also had Pedros where 30 inch was a mild trip. They vary more than any other psycedelic i have come across.

people complain about shrooms varying in potency, which I think is silly. To me shrooms are very consistent. Sure once in a while you get some weak mushrooms and other times you get some strong ones. I like that, I like being surprised by nature. I believe its one of her special gifts.

but with cactus it can get downright annoying. it takes one whole cactus trip just to have any idea how potent your cactus is, and thats still not the same as knowing ideal dosage.

one cactus can literally be eight times more potent than the next cactus. its not like that with mushrooms (except perhaps in very rare instances). Really good mushrooms are at most 1.5x to 2x as strong as regular mushrooms.

i have had cactus trips where i accidentally ingested 10 times as much mescaline as i planned.

but yeah, you never know what youre getting when you get cactus. two cuttings can range from barely noticeable to cosmic.

another thing about cactus its not even easy to measure the dose, going by length is not accurate because the thickness varies so much. then once you boil it down you have to keep in mind what ratio youve boiled it down to and if you have a really potent brew, then the cactus that sticks to the side of the pot can greatly increase or reduce the amount of mescaline youre getting depending on how thorough you are in cleaning your pot.

thats why i prefer weaker cactus myself. its easier to dose because small changes, like not scraping the pot well, wont make much difference in effect when you have weak cactus.


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23515798 - 08/06/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

In regards to weak cactus it would probably make more sense to compare the effects by weight rather than length.  To go further, dried weight as you then take out the water content factor.  I've seen pics of cactus so plump from watering they might begin to think they're watermelon.  Water in your cactus is not going to get you high, lol.


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23516094 - 08/06/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think 250 ug of LSD is way stronger than an 8th of shrooms, I mean way stronger. For me 100 ug of LSD is equivalent to an 8th of shrooms.




Idk man 3.5 grams for me isn't that far away from a heroic dose whereas 100 mics couldn't be farther..
I'm not gonna get a level 3 off only 100mics...I will definitely get a level 3 off an eighth though every single time and a strong level 3 at that. 5 grams gives me ego death easily and 3.5 is almost 4 grams and that's almost 5 so I don't really understand how you can say 100ug of LSD is equal to something that isn't far from ego death.

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white lights said: I feel like an eigrh of good cubes, intensity wise is about equivelant to 100 mics of LSD.  One gram of mushrooms would be equivolant to about 20 mics of LSD.




I'd very strongly question the quality of those mushrooms. 1 gram is definitely a full on trip and you're comparing a full trip to a threshold dose...you're literally comparing a level 2 psychedelic experience to a microdose which is nonsense. 20ug is barely enough to feel anything.


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23516511 - 08/06/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

100 micrograms of LSD will absolutely get you to a level 3, every time. Ibeat the shit recklessly and 100 mics gets me every time.


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Re: "Equivalent dosage" of Mescaline compared to LSD/Shrooms [Re: whitelights]
    #23516859 - 08/06/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm on 400mg mescaline HCL and I'd say it feels similar in intensity to 150ug or so of LSD, but qualitatively very different.


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