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Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers * 1
    #23512226 - 08/05/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've got some real course wood chips ranging in size from 1/8"-2". I'm going to make some bags with a 50/50 blend of the course material and the mill dust I've been using.  I'll be growing some wild oysters as well as some golds and pinks on this mix and will update as it progresses. My guess is these might take a bit longer to colonize but maybe not. Please chime in with any experiences using larger or varied chips in sub blends.  Here's a pic:



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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23512795 - 08/05/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oysters should rip right through that. I would think willow or cottonwood would be excellent,thats where I've found most of the wild ones on.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Quadman]
    #23512876 - 08/05/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

oysters also taste better on wood,,my opinion!

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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: anthiawe]
    #23512935 - 08/05/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Oysters should rip right through that. I would think willow or cottonwood would be excellent,thats where I've found most of the wild ones on.



Right on!  This is a blend of all hardwood with some trace pine.  I'm excited to see how it does.
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oysters also taste better on wood,,my opinion!

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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23515029 - 08/06/16 03:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

what kinda wood chip are you using?  i am working with some ash.

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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: john-hai]
    #23515382 - 08/06/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hey JH, it's a blend of:
Ash, elm, oak, maple, basswood, black walnut, hackberry and some pine, spruce and cedar (last 3 are minimal) and occasionally fruit wood, like peach or pear. My hardwood guy reclaims old or dead or removed urban trees for his custom furniture.  I'm not too keen on the softwoods in the mix, particularly the cedar but there is very little of it.  I'll keep this thread updated with progress pics.  What do you grow and how do they like ash?  We have a ton of ash in our town. Pics?


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23515404 - 08/06/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thats a really nice varied mix of wood. All recycled?


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Ferather]
    #23515480 - 08/06/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Thats a really nice varied mix of wood. All recycled?



Hey Ferather, yep, all recycled.  Pretty cool on a sustainability front, which is huge in our community.  When I picked it up, your comments on varied media immediately came to mind.  I'm looking forward to the results.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23515508 - 08/06/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wow nice one, I'm looking forward to that. Currently looking at Ochroma (Balsa) wood.
It completely replaces vermiculite for some teks.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Ferather]
    #23515644 - 08/06/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Don't know if you have thought about it but,dead trees can be full of contaminates. Best is fresh cut living trees chipped and dried right away.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Quadman]
    #23515705 - 08/06/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Wow nice one, I'm looking forward to that. Currently looking at Ochroma (Balsa) wood.
It completely replaces vermiculite for some teks.



Balsa should be interesting...only ever used it for building planes as it is very lightweight, at least the modeling stuff is.  Sounds like a superior/cleaner/safer alternative to verm as a reservoir material.  Are they using it over in the psilocybe forums?  How are you planning on incorporating it?
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Don't know if you have thought about it but,dead trees can be full of contaminates. Best is fresh cut living trees chipped and dried right away.



Hey Q, I hadn't really thought about that (heavy metals?)but my understanding is this is green wood that is kiln-dried and then milled.  Thanks for the insight though!


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23515828 - 08/06/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No I was just looking at it, seemed like it fitted in with a purpose.
I might try it one day, but I have no verm based tek.

I try to avoid grain based teks.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Ferather]
    #23516005 - 08/06/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

wood chip is a great substrate as long as you dry them first.  i also add straw to fill in the gap.  i like to mix my chip but right now all i have is ash.  if you are using bag be gentle when you fill them or they will poke holes in the bag.  here are some pic enjoy.

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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: john-hai]
    #23516089 - 08/06/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No grains, bran or anything containing ready carbs?
If not, Fuc*ing amazing job mate.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: john-hai]
    #23516156 - 08/06/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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wood chip is a great substrate as long as you dry them first.  i also add straw to fill in the gap.  i like to mix my chip but right now all i have is ash.  if you are using bag be gentle when you fill them or they will poke holes in the bag.  here are some pic enjoy.

john




Holy cow, good looking fruit you got there, JH!  I'm blending it 50/50 with mill dust to fill in the gaps. For the small batches I'm able to pick out the long pointy pieces, even so, you're absolutely correct on gentle bag filling to avoid holes.  What's the weight on your blocks and what's the yield/1 or 2 flushes?  Also, how do you brown your shiitake blocks? Again, great job and thanks for sharing!


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23517274 - 08/06/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)





Hey Q, I hadn't really thought about that (heavy metals?)but my understanding is this is green wood that is kiln-dried and then milled.  Thanks for the insight though!



You said they were tree service trees possible dead or diseased . The contaminates I was thinking of were fungus/mold or bacterial. Kiln dried should be ok?
J-H Nice's pics need to find ash  :like:


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Quadman]
    #23517298 - 08/06/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey Q, I hadn't really thought about that (heavy metals?)but my understanding is this is green wood that is kiln-dried and then milled.  Thanks for the insight though!



You said they were tree service trees possible dead or diseased . The contaminates I was thinking of were fungus/mold or bacterial. Kiln dried should be ok?
J-H Nice's pics need to find ash  :like:



Sorry, that was off the top of my head.  Here's a quote from their website:
"This specialty wood is reclaimed from trees that must be removed due to damage, illness, old age or development. The trees are then milled by hand to accentuate each tree’s special characteristics, color, texture, grain, age, species and physical form."
My guess is it's legit, also, I'm sterilizing so hopefully any nasties are cooked off.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23517675 - 08/07/16 02:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i use a 1 to 1 ratio(wood chip/straw) on mind.  i don't weight my block so i have no idea how much they weight.  the small block is made of 1 and 1/2 dvd case.  i use the 100 dvd case cover as a measuring cup and it is about 8cup.  the large block is 3dvd. as far as flushes, the wood chip substrate seem to get more mushroom per block then straw.  i am a home grower so any mushroom i get i am happy.  but the wood chip block will give you 3-4 very nice flushes.  i brown my shiitake in the bag at room temp. shiitake is a long term mushroom.  you have to let them brown then initiate them by cold shock.  i'm to lazy to do that so my shiitake will pin when ever they want. i make my shiitake block all year so i have some block that are pinning all the time.  my family like a study supplies of mushroom to eat all year long.

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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: john-hai]
    #23517816 - 08/07/16 04:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thats very good, well done. First time I've seen such good BE outside my own experiments.
Well that concludes nutrient variation equals strength and better BE.

Using grains is becoming lolable !!

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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: john-hai]
    #23518094 - 08/07/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the input JH! Is that nameko in one of your pics?  Do you run any maitake and if so can you share your method?


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23518387 - 08/07/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Here's a pic of the black walnut bags.  These were nocd 7/26/16 and I just noticed tubers today. My guess is they started yesterday and would have shown even sooner but the bottom of the bags were slow to colonize due to the cold bench top they're on.  These were spawn at 20% so pretty heavy but that's still only around 11-12 days.  Looking forward to see how these fruit differ from the group run on straw.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23518771 - 08/07/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

the pic that you see is a golden enoki(store bought clone).  i have not had much luck with maitake.  i can only get them to the first stage, they never fully developed for me.:confused:

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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: john-hai]
    #23519174 - 08/07/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I have not had much luck with maitake.  I can only get them to the first stage, they never fully developed for me. :confused:

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Hmm I'm curious, where the correct conditions met? Maitake. If they where, then it may be copper content.

Looking here, I can see fruit body copper content for that species is sky high.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Ferather]
    #23521984 - 08/08/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I put three of four walnut bags in the fruiter today.  The tops of the blocks were forming tubers do I folded the top over and cut x's over them...My gut doesn't like this approach. The fourth block I was gonna cut an x in one end.  First time fruiting bags so would gladly accept suggestions. 


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23543298 - 08/15/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The walnut bags hadn't done anything so I spun them around and found some massive primordia clusters.  I probably should have let these mature at least 5 days to a week more before fruiting.  I cut the plastic away from 2 clusters...hopefully they'll tak off.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23549351 - 08/17/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Some action.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23553536 - 08/18/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

These are coming along nicely.  Had the primordia developed unhindered, this could have been an amazing cluster.  Note the difference in color between this group and those grown on straw. 


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23554566 - 08/18/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ive noticed the same, straw gives you a more pale color and the caps arent as thick. Wood really is the better sub.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23556242 - 08/19/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hey gr0wer, no doubt!  Even the stipes are a much richer color. 


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23557535 - 08/19/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wood is very potent. My recent findings have concluded oleoresin's can be utilized.
For my oysters they are a source of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen.

I have found so far that pine contains the most.
To the point it must be reduced by mixing.

Carbohydrates are used for carbon.
Oleoresin's are more potent.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Ferather]
    #23558315 - 08/19/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Wood is very potent. My recent findings have concluded oleoresin's can be utilized.
For my oysters they are a source of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen.

I have found so far that pine contains the most.
To the point it must be reduced by mixing.

Carbohydrates are used for carbon.
Oleoresin's are more potent.



Hey Ferather, I've got a bag of pine shavings.  This is kiln-dried wood.  If I were to mix this with my walnut mill dust what ratio would you suggest without any additional treatment to the pine?


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23559135 - 08/20/16 04:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I must know this as well. Why mix of pine is best


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: tump]
    #23559282 - 08/20/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not real keen on using pine....I just happen to have some and it is occasionally mixed in with my hardwood...


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23560504 - 08/20/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I did 50% to paper, but paper is bland. Walnut will already have some oleoresin's.
Try 75/25 then 66/33 then 50/50, one of those will work well with walnut.

Sorry for a less direct answer, only recently found out myself.
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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Ferather]
    #23560581 - 08/20/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks, Ferather!  I'll give it a go...sure glad you're busy experimenting and spreading the knowledge!


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23562993 - 08/21/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Here's the first flush.  Looks good with the exception of the streaks and pits.  At first I thought it might be an infection but the culture appears clean. From digging around it looks like I might be spraying them too much.  Thoughts?


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23587162 - 08/28/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Pinks at day 4 on fruit sawdust and mixed wood chips.  These are fruiting much slower than they did on straw which were harvested at day 4. Quite the cluster, though. 


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23588499 - 08/28/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've been thinking about scaling up from grain jar > grain bag > grain bags> large mixture of sawdust and wood chips in totes> woodchip a in a large outdoor bed. I'll be watching this thread for ideas. Ever plan on doing a very large scale grow using this? I'm talking decorative outdoor "flowerbed" type.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: TravelAgency]
    #23588626 - 08/28/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'd like to but it's too dry here.  For now I'm just gonna keep playing around with various wood and supplement combos.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23589074 - 08/29/16 04:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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For now I'm just gonna keep playing around with various wood and supplement combos.




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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23589157 - 08/29/16 06:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Those pinks I look good !


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Quadman]
    #23590509 - 08/29/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks, Quadman!  There sure are a lot of fruit crammed in there.  The block next to it has about twice that many pins on a cluster.  Be interesting to see how they finish.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Ferather]
    #23590574 - 08/29/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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For now I'm just gonna keep playing around with various wood and supplement combos.




Keep us updated.



Hey Ferather, will do!  On another note, my golds are super pale coming off the wood and they're forming tubers like crazy...too many I'm thinking.  Do you have suggestions on limiting tuber formation...should I send them to fruit sooner and get holes started in the bags a bit sooner?  It's tough because they go from not looking fully colonized to exploding with tubers, basically overnight...And, do you think the pale color is due to fading genetics (this was only the second expansion)?  I just started expanding them on a wheat/rye blend to hopefully "beef up" the mycelium and recoup some color.  I need to revisit your thread on the golds.  Any advice is greatly appreciated.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23591344 - 08/29/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well, they're coloring right up...


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23592455 - 08/30/16 05:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Those look yummy! You increased the light colour or lumens?


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Ferather]
    #23592585 - 08/30/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Light.  Like I said, they blow up so quickly that the primordia were white but after a day in in the fruiter the color came out.  Here's the pink cluster.  Super dense and very pretty. 


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23594396 - 08/30/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So higher colour spectrum, wasn't sure if you increased the lumens along side.
Well that means the colour is more important than the lumens.

So 6500k - 8000k colour, 600 - 2000 lumen.
Sunlight direct, without the heat.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Ferather]
    #23595001 - 08/30/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So higher colour spectrum, wasn't sure if you increased the lumens along side.
Well that means the colour is more important than the lumens.

So 6500k - 8000k colour, 600 - 2000 lumen.
Sunlight direct, without the heat.



Just to clarify, I haven't changed or added the 5000k light yet.  I actually forgot this was the first time I've grown the golds on wood...anyway, like I said, the golds blow up with tubers and they're stark white (they colonize in the basement...not totally dark but without lights), so when I put it in the fruiter, under the lights and cooler, they turned in about 12 hours.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23596414 - 08/31/16 05:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Oh right, ok, needed more details, Confuzed.com/more-detail.html
Good results though, dark colonizing to light fruiting.

Light induces a secondary growth phase.


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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Ferather]
    #23605395 - 09/02/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Golds on fruit and mixed chip blend.  I love the golds!


This is a huge cluster..I might move it outside to finish.



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Re: Woodchip and sawdust blend for oysters and other wood lovers [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23605458 - 09/02/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Needs a bit more humidity, otherwise very good result.
The flaking says its a tad too dry.

Well done, keep it up.


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