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Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man * 1
    #23511713 - 08/05/16 05:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

A JURY IN Virginia has recommended two-and-a-half years in prison for a white former police officer convicted of voluntary manslaughter yesterday in the shooting death of an unarmed black man who had been accused of shoplifting.
The ex-officer, Stephen Rankin, shot 18-year-old William Chapman in the face and chest outside a Wal-Mart store last year after a security guard called police to go after the young man.
No video recorded the actual killing, and testimony conflicted on the details of what happened. But most witnesses said Chapman had his hands up, and prosecutor Stephanie Morales said the officer could have used non-deadly force.
The officer “brought a gun into what is at worst a fist fight,” Morales told the jury, which deliberated for nearly two days before returning its verdict.
Rankin, 36, faced one to 10 years on the manslaughter conviction. Morales asked jurors to give him the maximum, while defence attorney James Broccoletti argued that no amount of jail time would bring Chapman back to life.

A judge will formally sentence Rankin on 12 October The judge doesn’t have to follow the jury’s recommendation, but can’t increase the penalty.
Accountability
Rankin, who was fired from the Portsmouth police force after being indicted, had already killed another unarmed suspect, four years earlier, and many in the mostly black city of 100,000 saw his trial as a chance for accountability as police shootings continue around the country.
But his lawyers said this case had nothing to do with deadly uses of force against other black men.
“I think this is a terrible tragedy I wish it had never happened. I wish none of it had ever occurred,” Rankin testified after being found guilty.
“I can’t begin to fathom how much pain that family is going through. I wish I could have done more to keep him alive,” he added.
Chapman’s second cousin, Earl Lewis, also took the stand, speaking through tears about the family’s struggle to find money to bury him.
chap Sallie Chapman stands n the courtroom after the verdict.
The jurors — eight black and four white — did not convict on the first-degree murder charge prosecutors sought. Criminal charges are rare in police-involved shootings, and convictions are even more uncommon.
‘Throwing fists’
Broccoletti argued that Rankin had to shoot, because “everything he tried to do didn’t work.”
And some witnesses backed Rankin’s testimony. Paul Akey, a construction worker who was nearby, said Chapman “went after the officer with throwing fists, and it looked like he knocked a Taser out of the officer’s hands.”
Rankin testified that he calmly approached Chapman to discuss the shoplifting accusation and was preparing to handcuff him when the teen refused to comply with his orders and a struggle ensued. He said he used his stun gun on him, but Chapman knocked it away. Both men then faced each other from a short distance.
That’s when he drew his pistol, Rankin said, and repeatedly commanded Chapman to “get on the ground.” Instead, he said Chapman screamed “shoot me” several times before charging at him from about six feet away. He said he experienced “tunnel vision” at that point, and fearing for his life, fired twice to stop him.
“I had no reason to think he was going to stop attacking me,” Rankin said. “I was scared.”
But Gregory Provo, the Wal-Mart security guard who reported Chapman to police, testified that Chapman never charged at the officer. He said Chapman raised both hands, boxing-style, and said “Are you going to f—ing shoot me?” before Rankin fired at him from about five yards away.
http://www.thejournal.ie/police-officer-shooting-2910869-Aug2016/

Yes yes, the black guy who was shot in the face and killed was by no means an angel, but did he deserve to be shot in the face?

Is tunnel vision now a good excuse for police brutality?

If we all succumbed to the dreaded tunnel vision, we'd be knocked down trying to turn corners.

I think people who shoot police should also use the tunnel vision excuse and say "I had no doubt in my mind that the police officer was shooting to kill so it was either him or me, your honor".

For your bravery, take a 2.5 year sentence, pal.

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: LobsterSauce] * 1
    #23511730 - 08/05/16 05:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I dont think that killing him was justified but who the fuck charges at people that have a gun ?

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: howsyournaggerdoin] * 1
    #23511739 - 08/05/16 05:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Black Americans because they know they are going to get shot as soon as they put their hands up.

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: LobsterSauce] * 1
    #23511752 - 08/05/16 05:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Might aswell go out with a bang

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23511858 - 08/05/16 07:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)


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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23511920 - 08/05/16 07:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the links but I asked did he deserve to be shot in the face.

Surely with the regularity with which the officers there are forced to draw their weapons that they must continually have to hone their skills on non-organic target practice, like you'd find at shooting ranges.

One would think from six feet, he could've shot a can off the guys foot.

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23511925 - 08/05/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

LobsterSauce said:
Thanks for the links but I asked did he deserve to be shot in the face.

Surely with the regularity with which the officers there are forced to draw their weapons that they must continually have to hone their skills on non-organic target practice, like you'd find at shooting ranges.

One would think from six feet, he could've shot a can off the guys foot.




You don't discharge a firearm in someone's direction hoping to hit them in the foot.

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23511927 - 08/05/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

LobsterSauce said:
Thanks for the links but I asked did he deserve to be shot in the face.




to which I responded, yes and then provided you the links that show that a simple
little fist fight can have fatal consequences even when there are no weapons
involved, a single punch can in fact kill


Quote:

One would think from six feet, he could've shot a can off the guys foot.





I didnt think I'd ever read something so stupid but there it is.

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: falsereality]
    #23511932 - 08/05/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

falsereality said:
Quote:

LobsterSauce said:
Thanks for the links but I asked did he deserve to be shot in the face.

Surely with the regularity with which the officers there are forced to draw their weapons that they must continually have to hone their skills on non-organic target practice, like you'd find at shooting ranges.

One would think from six feet, he could've shot a can off the guys foot.




You don't discharge a firearm in someone's direction hoping to hit them in the foot.




The foot was an example of being able to hit the target accurately where one pleased.

Any non-lethal part of the body would do.

The face was hit, we know that.

Is lethal force to be used in every scuffle?

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23511935 - 08/05/16 08:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

LobsterSauce said:
Quote:

falsereality said:
Quote:

LobsterSauce said:
Thanks for the links but I asked did he deserve to be shot in the face.

Surely with the regularity with which the officers there are forced to draw their weapons that they must continually have to hone their skills on non-organic target practice, like you'd find at shooting ranges.

One would think from six feet, he could've shot a can off the guys foot.




You don't discharge a firearm in someone's direction hoping to hit them in the foot.




The foot was an example of being able to hit the target accurately where one pleased.

Any non-lethal part of the body would do.

The face was hit, we know that.

Is lethal force to be used in every scuffle?




If someone is charging at you on the street, you have a gun, and you know this guy is charging at you but you don't know if he has any concealed weapons, would you fire? It's instinct man.

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23511939 - 08/05/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

LobsterSauce said:
Thanks for the links but I asked did he deserve to be shot in the face.




to which I responded, yes and then provided you the links that show that a simple
little fist fight can have fatal consequences even when there are no weapons
involved, a single punch can in fact kill


Quote:

One would think from six feet, he could've shot a can off the guys foot.





I didnt think I'd ever read something so stupid but there it is.




I'm not talking about guns in general here, I'm talking about lethal force.

It's as if you're saying unless any potential threat is dead and not just immobilised, then it's not far enough.

We don't need to go into how punches can kill.

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23511949 - 08/05/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

LobsterSauce said:
Quote:

falsereality said:
Quote:

LobsterSauce said:
Thanks for the links but I asked did he deserve to be shot in the face.

Surely with the regularity with which the officers there are forced to draw their weapons that they must continually have to hone their skills on non-organic target practice, like you'd find at shooting ranges.

One would think from six feet, he could've shot a can off the guys foot.




You don't discharge a firearm in someone's direction hoping to hit them in the foot.




The foot was an example of being able to hit the target accurately where one pleased.




why do you assume he was aiming for the foot when he shot the guy in the face?

Quote:

Any non-lethal part of the body would do.




it shouldnt be non lethal, it's self defense, the act of saving one's own life,
why should the shot be non lethal, instead of condemning the one that was
defending himself why arent you condemning the actions of the criminal, why arent
you advocating that the criminals simply surrender and deal with their jail time
on a misdemeanor shop lifting charge instead of fighting and putting their lives
and the lives of others at risk

Quote:

The face was hit, we know that.






was the cop aiming for the face?

Quote:

Is lethal force to be used in every scuffle?




it should be. maybe people would think twice before attacking someone and if they
still choose to follow through with their attack then it's very probably they wont
be attacking anyone else

should criminals use better judgement?

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23511955 - 08/05/16 08:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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LobsterSauce said:
I'm not talking about guns in general here, I'm talking about lethal force.





such as the lethal force from a single punch  that kills someone

Quote:

It's as if you're saying unless any potential threat is dead and not just immobilised, then it's not far enough.





is a dead assailant immobilized? why should I risk my life to fight with someone
that may well kill me in the scuffle. why should I even break a sweat over someone
that attacks me?

Quote:

We don't need to go into how punches can kill.





then are you talking about lethal force or are you talking about cops and guns,
you seem to be sending mixed signals, if a punch kills someone was that not the
use of lethal force?

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23511993 - 08/05/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

LobsterSauce said:
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falsereality said:
Quote:

LobsterSauce said:
Thanks for the links but I asked did he deserve to be shot in the face.

Surely with the regularity with which the officers there are forced to draw their weapons that they must continually have to hone their skills on non-organic target practice, like you'd find at shooting ranges.

One would think from six feet, he could've shot a can off the guys foot.




You don't discharge a firearm in someone's direction hoping to hit them in the foot.




The foot was an example of being able to hit the target accurately where one pleased.




why do you assume he was aiming for the foot when he shot the guy in the face?

Quote:

Any non-lethal part of the body would do.




it shouldnt be non lethal, it's self defense, the act of saving one's own life,
why should the shot be non lethal, instead of condemning the one that was
defending himself why arent you condemning the actions of the criminal, why arent
you advocating that the criminals simply surrender and deal with their jail time
on a misdemeanor shop lifting charge instead of fighting and putting their lives
and the lives of others at risk

Quote:

The face was hit, we know that.






was the cop aiming for the face?

Quote:

Is lethal force to be used in every scuffle?




it should be. maybe people would think twice before attacking someone and if they
still choose to follow through with their attack then it's very probably they wont
be attacking anyone else

should criminals use better judgement?




I didn't assume he was shooting for his foot.

Getting into a fist fight also wasn't what I was getting at.

I meant to get off a couple of non-lethal shots to stop the guy in his tracks.

I said he wasn't an angel but that doesn't mean he needs to be killed. Wounded, sure.

Anyone robbing convenience stores in the first place could probably do with a good slap of the better judgment stuck  but I don't believe that every case would be a down and out recidivist.

People make mistakes. Do you not believe in second chances?

This cop might've made a mistake, maybe not.

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23511999 - 08/05/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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LobsterSauce said:
Black Americans because they know they are going to get shot as soon as they put their hands up.




So it's a self fulfilling prophecy, blacks are more likely to resist arrest therefore are more likely to have altercations with law enforcement.

Why in the world would someone fight with the police in the street based on the theory they POTENTIALLY might be beat up by the police?  :huxleyfacepalm:

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23512136 - 08/05/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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LobsterSauce said:
I didn't assume he was shooting for his foot.

Getting into a fist fight also wasn't what I was getting at.

I meant to get off a couple of non-lethal shots to stop the guy in his tracks.

I said he wasn't an angel but that doesn't mean he needs to be killed. Wounded, sure.





bullets arent magical, they dont always stop someone with one or two shots in a
non vital area such as the foot, sometimes they dont stop an assailant with 30
shots to the head and torso

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Charges-Man-survived-being-shot-at-30-times-near-6467824.php

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

sometimes it only takes 1 shot to a non vital area for someone to die. just 1
little bullet to the leg to stop the guy... he was stopped, he bled out and
died in about 2 minute

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=885_1420607869




Quote:

Anyone robbing convenience stores in the first place could probably do with a good slap of the better judgment stuck  but I don't believe that every case would be a down and out recidivist.

People make mistakes. Do you not believe in second chances?





sure, I believe in second chances but it's all circumstance dependent. if you come
at me with a gun I have to assume you're trying to kill me, that's a fatal mistake
if I manage to get my shot off first. if you come at me with a knife, again, I
have to assume that you're trying to kill me and I will again shoot to kill
because as I've pointed out, bullets arent magic items that can instantly stop
someone when you shoot their big toe. also, if you're coming at me in a violent
manner, I again have to assume you intend to kill me and my primary obligation to
myself and my family is to make sure you dont kill or seriously injure me, if I'm
out of work due to the injuries sustained in a fight then you've also put my
family at risk


now answer this. why do I need to be concerned for the violent thug's safety? I
dont give a rat's ass if he's going to go straight after he serves his time, my
concern is about the here and now. is he a threat to my physical well being right
now? then it's my obligation to stop this threat to my physical well being. his
obligation to himself is to preserve his own life, attacking others is risky, it's
possible that he will be shot in the face if he decides to be a violent thug

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: qman]
    #23512148 - 08/05/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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qman said:
Quote:

LobsterSauce said:
Black Americans because they know they are going to get shot as soon as they put their hands up.




So it's a self fulfilling prophecy, blacks are more likely to resist arrest therefore are more likely to have altercations with law enforcement.

Why in the world would someone fight with the police in the street based on the theory they POTENTIALLY might be beat up by the police?  :huxleyfacepalm:





that was such a horse shit claim

if blacks putting their hands up gets them killed and blacks fighting gets them
killed how is it even possible that blacks are actually serving time in prison

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23512177 - 08/05/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Since blacks are 7-8 times more likely to resist arrest even for small criminal charges, why is it surprising that they are more likely to have violent altercations with cops? 

When you point this fact out to liberals, they use the "well they know they're going to get shot, so they are trying to save their own life" excuse.

Well we know this theory doesn't match up with reality because 99.999% of arrests don't lead to a police shooting, liberal logic = :facepalm:.

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: qman]
    #23512220 - 08/05/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

that's why Trump plans to deport the liberals to make america great again

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Re: Jury recommends two-and-a-half year sentence for police officer who killed unarmed black man [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23512264 - 08/05/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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that's why Trump plans to deport the liberals to make america great again




I think America is already great, after getting back from every international trip I have an immense feeling of relief that I'm on US soil again. The only country I would've moved to aside from America is Germany, but then that little migration kerfuffle happened. Canada is fun to visit but America reigns number one in my travels.

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