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spacechildo
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Re: new 6 week. grow plan [Re: tump]
#23515219 - 08/06/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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tump said: And its agar>lc>lc slurry> pf jars + grain jars> to pf slurry > to grain jars
if you're dead set on not doing LC -> grains like a normal person would at least skip those 2 steps that dont make any sense!
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Supalemonhaze
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Or you can try to reduce your contam vectors as much as possible and stop using LCs altogether for now, at least until you put your finger on what is making colonization so slow. I would never spawn a jar that took a month to colonize, especially if I used 20ml of LC.
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tump
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My three rounds of li have failed me. All three not blender li and i got with slow grow in jarsb. One batch was all trish. And last bacth Is doom to fail. Four quarts of oats with 125 to 150ml in each pour. That was five days ago. Havent check it since
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Re: new 6 week. grow plan [Re: tump]
#23515231 - 08/06/16 07:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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oh yeah if you're having problems getting clean spawn this is NOT the way to fix it  I thought you just wanted to mess around while waiting for 300qt jars to colonize..not go moldy
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Supalemonhaze
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Re: new 6 week. grow plan [Re: tump]
#23515236 - 08/06/16 07:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You have got to stop using that much inoculant. If you are using 150ml of LI, it's no wonder that they failed. Trich from LI is either from failing to spot a contam in your plates or more likely that you fucked up with your sterile tek.
Whenever you use insane quantities of liquid inoculant, you have to prepare your grains a lot dryer than usual. Using normally hydrated grains and then pouring 150ml of LI on them is a guaranteed bacterial contam, making things slow to colonize and eventually making it grow mold once it's fruiting.
Seriously, forget about fast colonization, that illusion is what is setting you back. It's better to use wedges and get colonized clean grains in 2 weeks rather than inoculating jars with shit-tons of LC, LI or slurry and failing everytime.
You are thinking that you are making things faster, when really, you are merely complicating things and you are eventually failing because of it. Start simple, 1 quarter plate wedge to a jar of grains and be patient. Once you are comfortable doing that, try LI again but only use 10-50ml per pour. Even with 50ml of LI, I would prep my grains a little bit on the dry side.
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Supalemonhaze
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Take a good look at this jar.
 Notice the date? 2nd of this month, today is the 6th. 4 days and it's pretty much covered with mycelium that is still recovering. This jar will probably be ready in 2 or 3 days if I had to guess. It was inoculated with ~50ml of LI, which is 3 times less than what you used. I consider 50ml as "a lot of LI", I would never do 150ml unless I microwaved my grains after hydrating to dry them out completely again. 
Prevention is better than cure. Figure out what is going wrong and change your method rather than accepting it and trying to fix it after it already went to shit.
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Mushierage
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This is a disaster waiting to happen. If you want success, you need to remove all your contamination vectors.
The best way to do this IMO is spores>agar>agar transfer if necessary>grain.
Don't do a PF tek LI. It's a horrible way to inoculate and I guarantee you'll end up with bacterial spawn or stalled jars.
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Re: new 6 week. grow plan [Re: tump]
#23515479 - 08/06/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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tump said: My three rounds of li have failed me. All three not blender li and i got with slow grow in jarsb. One batch was all trish. And last bacth Is doom to fail. Four quarts of oats with 125 to 150ml in each pour. That was five days ago. Havent check it since
So complicate it even further since you can't fix the problems you've been having doing more things you'll have trouble with will surely help
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Re: new 6 week. grow plan [Re: bodhisatta]
#23515486 - 08/06/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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OP, you need to follow experienced grower instruction. If not, why the fuck even ask the questions?
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Re: new 6 week. grow plan [Re: Mushierage]
#23515494 - 08/06/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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to be fair, i dont *think* he was asking a question, bu instead just outlining what his plan was.. which im glad we all agree, is a terrible plan.
good luck, OP. seems like you have it all figured out, and dont wan to take any advice.
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Re: new 6 week. grow plan [Re: mupetmower]
#23515505 - 08/06/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can't do one LC/LI so let's add two liquid steps now.
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Mushierage
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Re: new 6 week. grow plan [Re: mupetmower]
#23515507 - 08/06/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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mupetmower said: to be fair, i dont *think* he was asking a question, bu instead just outlining what his plan was.. which im glad we all agree, is a terrible plan.
good luck, OP. seems like you have it all figured out, and dont wan to take any advice.
Ah yes. You are right. But OP, since you are clearly failing horribly and will continue to do so, you SHOULD be asking questions to experienced cultivators. The people worth their salt aren't going to steer you in the wrong direction, but whatever. Do it your way and see where it gets you.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: new 6 week. grow plan [Re: Mushierage]
#23515514 - 08/06/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh don't worry I bet he will do it his way.
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mupetmower
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Re: new 6 week. grow plan [Re: Mushierage]
#23515518 - 08/06/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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that's just what some people gotta go through.. idk why, but ive seen it happen many, many times, and not just in mycology. some people just have to do it their way, and learn by failing miserably. then, finally after all that, they start to listen and learn..
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tump
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Re: new 6 week. grow plan [Re: tump]
#23516101 - 08/06/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was trying to do 15 ml of li but i suck at pouring. Learning is fun.
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Supalemonhaze
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Re: new 6 week. grow plan [Re: tump]
#23517316 - 08/06/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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There is quite a jump between 15ml to 150ml. Not even Alzheimer's will make you overshoot it that much.
Learning is definitely fun if you are getting success from it. Seems to me that going from spores>agar>insert-hundreds-of-unnecessary-contam-vectors-here>whatever-the-fuck-else>fruiting is only learning all the wrong shit, which isn't fun at all. 
I mean, if you like to wait months for a jar to colonize and eventually grow mold, I wish you all the best. Talk to someone when you decide that you actually want to grow some mushrooms the right way and when you are willing to listen.
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tump
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Ok up date. I knock up only 6 pf cakes last night and the 20 jars of oats. 17 of 20 jars have life dont know if its good or bad yet. 
The spigot lid i made did wonderful. Can't see it working on muddy grain slurry but ill crosd that bridge later.
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