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Heyowana
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana] 1
#23530481 - 08/11/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Some info Inski sent me via PM about P.papuana a while ago.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
#23530741 - 08/11/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Heyowana said: How did you go looking out St Albans Fractaliopsybe? I haven't been looking for the last few days because its too dry again. P.alutacea fruits after the rain. Then when its dry and the sun comes out they shrivel up after a couple of days. Looked like rain today then it cleared up. I've been reading and following the UK Liberty cap season 2016 thread. I think I know why they don't fruit here. No one has introduced the spores. The temperatures they fruit at over there happen all over the southern parts of Australia in Autumn. Still I guess there only has to be one patch of them and millions of spores will travel.
Nah, got distracted with extractin DMT & home admin stuff and going to blue mountains in the morning so maybe on the way back, or on Saturday...
Do you think they'll be about still?
Gammineye, May meet us with ye to hunt some of these exoticafantastico plus subs in micro climates... depending on weather.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Fractaliopsybe]
#23533236 - 08/11/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If its been dry for a couple of days no P.alutacea won't be about. If ever you go out to the pineforests you could look for P.pelliculosa- or what ever it is that grows out there that looks like them.
They fruit earlier in the year than P.subaeruginosa and their season goes through Winter in the pineforests. I have never found them in Spring there but I hardly ever went looking at that time of the year in the pineforests.
When it is dry they fruit in dark shady wet places. Sort of country that some Mycena like to fruit. In fact they look very Mycena like except for the gills being purple brown. Think of a liberty cap without the pronounced nipple. Gills aren't purple grey as in a lib.
When wet you'll find them out in the open fruiting in little troops. I can't be bothered driving to Sydney to look for them out the blue mountains. Same goes for the tropical liberty caps in Qld. Suffice to say they exist because I don't like spreading BS.
Then you can send them to a mycologist and that's where the fun starts.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
#23533452 - 08/12/16 12:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Heyowana said:

Some info Inski sent me via PM about P.papuana a while ago.
So P. papuana is not exclusively in Australia...
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Hashed]
#23533525 - 08/12/16 02:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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P40 Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer. Inski gives 2 links on that page. One is from Sydney the other is from the Blue mountains. There is another thread by cheekypup that has P.papuana fruiting in Sydney as well.
That's 3 finds for 2014. I remember googling Psilocybin mushrooms of New Guinea. One website gave a list of active mushrooms with a description. There weren't any photos though. Looks like shroomery is the only website that has photos of P.papuana from different localities in Australia.
Apart from that Inski would be the person to ask about it.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Hashed]
#23533531 - 08/12/16 02:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have people found P. papuana in Queensland or Northen Territory? If it's in Papua New Quinea I would think it would be there. however, I know absolutely nothing about Australian mushrooms or mushroom distributions
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: chipsandwich]
#23533541 - 08/12/16 02:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good question because those states are closer. If P.papuana favours the highlands in New Guinea then it would probably grow in more temperate parts of Australia than the tropics.
New Guinea is quite mountainous in parts. Unlike Qld and NT. Now Atherton tablelands might be a good spot to look for them. Topaz, Yungaburra, Malanda around 800 meters. Atherton higher. Herberton higher still with Ravenshoe 1200 meters or maybe more than that. It's also very wet in parts of Ravenshoe. If I still lived up there that's where I'd be checking for interesting actives.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
#23533562 - 08/12/16 02:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just drew my conclusion from looking at a globe while high but, if i've learnt anything about mushrooms it is that they're everywhere, you just gotta know where to look. If the Atherton tablelands only have a population of 7,287 (From wiki, 2011) once I again I would bet there is a few active species waiting to be found. Ravenshoe only has a population of 1,442 I wonder if anyone has had a decent look for mushrooms up there before.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: chipsandwich]
#23533668 - 08/12/16 05:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I annoy people because I go on hunches about things. When living at Topaz and studying Stamets book on psilocybin mushrooms I walked around for 3 years thinking why can't tropical liberty caps grow here? Then I found them. It was his term I think and when I looked at them I decided it was applicable. I walked down the driveway with those first specimens and opened up the book Psilocybin mushrooms of the world.
I looked at the photo of P.samuiensis which was only dried out specimens I think. I ended up looking at a photo of P.semilanceata showing its gills from the underside. There was no difference to my specimens. It was the closest mushroom in the book to match my specimens.
For years I have talked myself out of believing that I found P.semilanceata. The season was wrong. I found them in the monsoonal season. They were bigger as well. They had the thick gelatinous pellicle. I still call them a tropical liberty cap because that's where I found them in the tropics.
That was at Topaz next to Qld's tallest mountain. Its on the eastern escarpment of the Atherton tablelands. Receives 4-7 meters of rainfall each year. Ravenshoe is higher and cooler as well. The Tully side of it gets about as wet as Topaz. I think Misty mountain scores 6 meters of rain in a good year.
The mountains are where I would look up there in the places I just named. High temperatures followed by low temperatures all in the same day. Plus high rainfall.
Where I live now doesn't get anywhere near the kind of rainfall up there in the wet tropics. Its wet for NSW and has big temperature fluctuations. Anyway I just ramble on with all these theories. Sometimes they work out.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
#23537376 - 08/13/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was wrong about the height of Ravenshoe. Its 930m and the tallest town in Qld. Tallest peak near it is only 1047m above sea level. Contrasted by Topaz which was around 800 meters (should look it up ) Tallest peak next door was Bartle Frere at 1622 meters.
Back to NSW Ben Lomond at Glen Innes is over 1500 meters. I look at that sheep country all around Glen Innes and wonder about P.semilanceata. It gets bitterly cold in Winter there with night time temps in the minuses during May.
I drive past mount Chaelundi and always feel that cold damp breeze coming down off the mountain. Its around 1300m.
I don't know where to start looking for P.papuana apart from where I found it here because there is hardly any info on the internet about it. Part of the fun I suppose looking and trying to work out where it would grow best. In PNG they mention tree species that it fruits under. They are in the Southern Beech family. Only representative in NSW is the Antarctic Beech. None around here. Just remnant pockets at Mt Nothofagus, Springwood etc.
P.papuana is found in PNG at higher altitude than any mountain in NSW. Inski said it might be worth my while to look at higher altitudes. I'm going a bit off topic but they look like a mountain mushroom to me with there dark peaky little caps. I could just imagine climbing up a mountain and finding them. Their little caps just poking out of the grass or leaf litter.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
#23545011 - 08/15/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do these look like P. tasmaniana??
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: chipsandwich]
#23545051 - 08/15/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh wow, nice find chips, I would consult inski!
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Hashed]
#23545574 - 08/15/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hashed said: ent, if I'm not mistaken, I believe the term "exotic" refers to any active mushroom species that IS NOT Psilocybe cubensis.
So technically, Psilocybe subaeruginosa would fall under the category "exotic".
Because any active species that IS NOT Psilocybe cubensis would fall under the category "exotic".
I'm not 100% sure, but I'm fairly certain Adden would know for sure though. Can you confirm or dismiss this for us Adden?
You have found Psilocybe subaeruginosa, ent.
So technically, you have found an "exotic" species. 
Where I am, I would consider any Psilocybe species that is not subaeruginosa to be "exotic", as subs are the only common Psilocybe here. So what I meant when I said "exotic" was anything not subs. And yes I have found one exotic species before. Very thrilling. I still dream about finding others. 
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Heyowana said: I've been reading and following the UK Liberty cap season 2016 thread. I think I know why they don't fruit here. No one has introduced the spores. The temperatures they fruit at over there happen all over the southern parts of Australia in Autumn. Still I guess there only has to be one patch of them and millions of spores will travel.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21677763/
You might find this interesting if you missed it. I went out looking for Psilocybe semilanceata last year on a hunch and found them easily, then repeated the find this year, in the same place. Another member found them about 15km from where I found them. It's my opinion that they're widespread in VIC.
Loving catching up on this thread. Great stuff.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
#23546020 - 08/16/16 05:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Heyowana said: I annoy people because I go on hunches about things. --- Anyway I just ramble on with all these theories. Sometimes they work out.
sorry to cut, but fucking hell.. I feel you on that one bro ha!  
Going for a trip north (north west) of Sydney and maybe to near coffs in the next few days or a weekend soon!!
Hope to get at least one of these species in the next year!!
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Fractaliopsybe]
#23548548 - 08/16/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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No chipsandwich they don't resemble P.tasmaniana. They look like P.makarorae or a P.subaeruginosa with P.makarorae morphology.
Great to hear about P.semilanceata find ent
I'd like to find P.semilanceata in this state Fractaliopsybe. I'm sure you'll track down some interesting species soon.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: chipsandwich]
#23548652 - 08/17/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do these look like P. tasmaniana??
They are P. makarorae, Heyowana.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
#23548864 - 08/17/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Heyowana said: No chipsandwich they don't resemble P.tasmaniana. They look like P.makarorae or a P.subaeruginosa with P.makarorae morphology.
I got excited for second there.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: chipsandwich]
#23548970 - 08/17/16 04:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am happy for you to post them here chipsandwich P.makarorae is a beautiful mushroom. I had a look at the NZ thread and I can see why when they are picked together P.makarorae and P.tasmaniana look similar. You don't need me to point out about the stipe being different.
What I like most about P.makarorae is the cute little papilla? like P.semilanceata. I'd love to find them here in Australia. Oh well won't get my hopes up but anything could be possible?
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
#23549000 - 08/17/16 04:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is my first ever active find! happened to stumble across P. makarorae


Other P. makarorae finds.
The nipple thingy might be called an umbo? 
All these finds are clearly different to P. tasmaniana to me.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
#23549047 - 08/17/16 05:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Heyowana said: What I like most about P.makarorae is the cute little papilla? like P.semilanceata.
If the umbo is sharply delineated but not elongated (somewhat resembling the shape of a female breast), it is called mammilate or papillate. The cap of Psilocybe makarorae is acutely papillate.(from wiki)
I like mushrooms with little hats would also love to find P.semilanceata, shouldn't of been too hard find over here but I had no luck on a few hunts.
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