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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Fractaliopsybe] * 1
    #23664174 - 09/21/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey Fractaliopsybe:cool: I should put Panaeolus cinctulus on the list for euphoric effects. The only time I've ever eaten them alone was last year. Then I didn't have many. They were euphoric even in the two small doses I tried.

Before that I last ate them in the 1980's. There were never many at my uncles farm when I looked for meanies so they got mixed. The trips were more mellow and cleaner in the mixed with meanie combo.

I wasn't into euphoric trips then. I liked the wipe you out at all costs meanies trips. I had a crop of meanies here a couple of years ago. They wouldn't even drop a spore in the middle of Summer. Too cold here. Anyway I only ate about 7 I think then tried to do Tai chi. I ended up doing Cheng Manching form because even on that low number I couldn't do the square or circular form of Wu style.

Meanies are potent. Just not a nice experience for me anymore.


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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
    #23664209 - 09/21/16 06:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I forgot another to put on the list. P.cyanescens- meltdown mushrooms. P.subaeruginosa has a euphoric element when they first start coming on. I get waves of euphoria starting in my stomach. Then later on towards the end of the trip I can feel blissful.

Meltdown mushrooms zero euphoric effect at the beginning. They'd hit like a freight train as I lost co ordination and use of my body. Towards the end like P.subaeruginosa I would feel blissful as they were wearing off. I think P.cubensis had more bliss and euphoria than these.
So meltdown mushrooms go down the bottom as well. That's interesting but very subjective because of my likes and dislikes. The three strongest types of mushrooms I have tried- meltdown, P.papuana and meanies all are at the bottom of the list for blissful euphoric effects.


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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
    #23664219 - 09/21/16 06:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey bro:heart: great stuff!

Time will help gather my own personal knowledge + the help of the community.
To find more varieties of :mushroom2:Sp. :thumbup:.

As I have found out via trying more :mushroom2:'s & feedbacks from Sp. experiences from others.

I May one day be as wise as you. :shocked:  :badshroom: :rofl: (Giggle)
Sorry, Due to minor worries of toxicity... I Find you ordeal a lil funny. anywayz!..

Heard so many conflicting stories.. of what's best... :mushroom2:
But Until I Eat 0.75gm dried :mushroom2: and believe it to be better than the P.Subs (**around my region.**)
-----------------^^ .75gm is my average 1-2 lvl dosing amount in general for even dosing.
*which has helped not fry newcomers to :mushroom2:'s on their first few trips!
+ My own knowing how much I need to take for what tripping lvl... besides purposely eating too many hahah 
Due to eating to many....:freakout:


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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
    #23664531 - 09/21/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Heyowana said:

I don't think I'm making much sense but I agree it sounds like mild muscarine poisoning via an Inocybe species.




just catching up with your thread...glad it wasn't more serious, Heyowana.  damn.

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That way I'll avoid possible poisoning or even death.




we all hope so, friend. 

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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: relic] * 1
    #23667366 - 09/22/16 08:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes its funny with dosages and mushrooms Fractaliopsybe. A lot of people try mushrooms for a couple of seasons then leave them alone. Others can't leave them alone. My first observation about mushrooms was I've done this before. It was too familiar.

They are the kind of thing no one can fake having a love affair with. Either you are one with them or not. I am wary of giving people mushrooms now for that reason. Meanies are interesting in the sense that if I were to walk past a patch of them and sniffed one that would be it.

I'd eat it. Plus another and another and so on. I was looking at a patch of Panaeolus foenisecii today down near a river in town. People coming and going. It makes me sad that so many people are using chemicals these days. Once it would have been the waft of smoke from a bong or a joint. Now all the towns are becoming chemical towns.

Places once famous for their dope have gone to shit. Mushrooms forget it. Is it me being obsessive about mushrooms or is Australia a land of mushroom haters. I talk to anyone around here and I get looks like I am mad. The same information is repeated not quite word for word like this - 'You'll find them in cow paddocks not around here. There are two types. They turn blue.'

P.subaeruginosa varies a great deal in potency. For google to say 0.45% psilocybin means nothing as P.subaeruginosa eaters will tell you if they've travelled around a bit. Some people just don't want to take reasonable amounts of them. Like every one I know. They are reticent for a reason. They don't like them. I've eaten Sydney subs in great quantity from 1981- 1989. Then mountain subs after that. What I find strange about what you and other people have said on these forums is that other mushrooms won't compare with them.

Its a real head in the sand attitude when you haven't even tried the mushrooms I am talking about. Yet in this country that kind of attitude is considered acceptable. People say subs are this and that and what are they comparing them to? Meanies and Goldtops. I have never been as out of it on any P.subaeruginosa as I have been on meanies. I have never had the quality of auditory hallucinations, CEV or OEV on P.subaeruginosa.

They hang in longer but they are dreary. They aren't that exciting. Unless you think bodyload is being out of it. So my suggestion to you is if you think P.subaeruginosa is that great what kind of dosage would you need for a level 4 trip on them?

I'm asking this because I don't think P.subaeruginosa is that potent. To me it reaches a stage where it is all just bodyload without the visuals increasing much more. Maybe weight for weight they aren't much more potent than goldtops. They taste a lot better though.:smile:

Hi relic, yes I'm a dumbo. Thanks for your well wishes. I went into town today and I have never felt so great. Maybe it wasn't muscarine but something else. I just found myself staring at pretty women (not many in that town.) and I ended up in raptures looking into a woman's eyes. She just works in one of the shops there but there was just something about her face. I then started staring at other pretty women's faces and once I looked at their eyes my heart would start beating faster and other things happened which I would normally care about but didn't.

I'm making this thread into dear diary. This is what I mean. All my inhibitions have gone away since I took those mushrooms. Even driving past cars and trucks going the other way on the narrow winding road. I was so aware of them and where my car was.  Without the usual fear reaction as they go by. So what is normally a three hour slightly nerve wracking trip became a pleasure. It's all a bit weird but I'm not complaining.:smile:


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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
    #23667453 - 09/22/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Edit*

But that's the strange thing about them P. Subs.... Near me*
They are not the same any more...
Genus potential jump in DNA and or changed as pollution has raised*
Or P. Subsomethingstronger  :lol:
My friends mountain finds are no where near the potency of my area's finds... :confused:

It was a good season for me this year... But not many others...(Consistently)
+ Most of my finds were near creeks with high pollution wash down. :eek:
But.. As they say... A chemical is, What a chemical does :lol: At its base purity..
DNA potential + Jump is discussed at hippie parties, As their phenotype look varies a considerable amount.
:rockman: Gotta love that :headbang3:


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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
    #23667456 - 09/22/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes its funny with dosages and mushrooms Fractaliopsybe. A lot of people try mushrooms for a couple of seasons then leave them alone. Others can't leave them alone. My first observation about mushrooms was I've done this before. It was too familiar.

They are the kind of thing no one can fake having a love affair with. Either you are one with them or not. I am wary of giving people mushrooms now for that reason. Meanies are interesting in the sense that if I were to walk past a patch of them and sniffed one that would be it.

I'd eat it. Plus another and another and so on. I was looking at a patch of Panaeolus foenisecii today down near a river in town. People coming and going. It makes me sad that so many people are using chemicals these days. Once it would have been the waft of smoke from a bong or a joint. Now all the towns are becoming chemical towns.

Places once famous for their dope have gone to shit. Mushrooms forget it. Is it me being obsessive about mushrooms or is Australia a land of mushroom haters. I talk to anyone around here and I get looks like I am mad. The same information is repeated not quite word for word like this - 'You'll find them in cow paddocks not around here. There are two types. They turn blue.'

P.subaeruginosa varies a great deal in potency. For google to say 0.45% psilocybin means nothing as P.subaeruginosa eaters will tell you if they've travelled around a bit. Some people just don't want to take reasonable amounts of them. Like every one I know. They are reticent for a reason. They don't like them. I've eaten Sydney subs in great quantity from 1981- 1989. Then mountain subs after that. What I find strange about what you and other people have said on these forums is that other mushrooms won't compare with them.

Its a real head in the sand attitude when you haven't even tried the mushrooms I am talking about. Yet in this country that kind of attitude is considered acceptable. People say subs are this and that and what are they comparing them to? Meanies and Goldtops. I have never been as out of it on any P.subaeruginosa as I have been on meanies. I have never had the quality of auditory hallucinations, CEV or OEV on P.subaeruginosa.

They hang in longer but they are dreary. They aren't that exciting. Unless you think bodyload is being out of it. So my suggestion to you is if you think P.subaeruginosa is that great what kind of dosage would you need for a level 4 trip on them?

I'm asking this because I don't think P.subaeruginosa is that potent. To me it reaches a stage where it is all just bodyload without the visuals increasing much more. Maybe weight for weight they aren't much more potent than goldtops. They taste a lot better though.:smile:

Hi relic, yes I'm a dumbo. Thanks for your well wishes. I went into town today and I have never felt so great. Maybe it wasn't muscarine but something else. I just found myself staring at pretty women (not many in that town.) and I ended up in raptures looking into a woman's eyes. She just works in one of the shops there but there was just something about her face. I then started staring at other pretty women's faces and once I looked at their eyes my heart would start beating faster and other things happened which I would normally care about but didn't.

I'm making this thread into dear diary. This is what I mean. All my inhibitions have gone away since I took those mushrooms. Even driving past cars and trucks going the other way on the narrow winding road. I was so aware of them and where my car was.  Without the usual fear reaction as they go by. So what is normally a three hour slightly nerve wracking trip became a pleasure. It's all a bit weird but I'm not complaining.:smile:



A:like: we are, They called me. & I answered. :mushroom2:
Wow! That does make me even more intrigued on this unknown Compound of chemical exposurse you had..
*meo-5 to DMT like Tryptamine chemical* maybe* Closer to Muscarinic like Natural alkaloid ???!!!!
will look in to toxic reports of mushrooms in oz, Ha thanks for the hint :wink:
:rasta: Had thought. About it.. Scopolamine (came up*) is a tropane alkaloid drug with muscarinic antagonist effects.
Look in to these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscarinic_acetylcholine_receptor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscarinic_agonist
.. You unlocked something yes?
Muscarine    - - Natural alkaloid found in certain mushrooms. Cause of one form of mushroom poisoning...


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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Fractaliopsybe]
    #23670105 - 09/23/16 05:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I used to pick P.subaeruginosa around Sydney along those creeks that flood every time it rained. In the middle of suburbia. Yes mountain subs aren't as strong as I have pointed out numerous times. It's not much point repeating myself every time this comes up.

However 2g coastal = 5g mountain dry weight. So I'll just talk about Sydney ones. They aren't close in potency to the meltdown P.cyanescens I picked in Sydney. I could get a level 4 trip off those meltdown mushrooms at less than 6g dry weight. At 6g which was the most I ever did I think it could have been on a different level because it was so profound and frightening. Maybe level 5.

I would have picked thousands of P.subaeruginosa in Sydney in the time zone 1981 - 1989. On 50 specimens dried I wouldn't reach level 4 properly. I never had OBE like on the meltdown P.cyanescens. Weight wise I never weighed them because I would eat that many.

If I mixed the meltdown ones in with the P.subaeruginosa then I'd be rooted. The subs would have their effect and then bam the other ones hit and where ever I was I'd be stuck to the ground.

So Sydney subs aren't as potent as P.cyanescens- meltdown type. They were not as strong as meanies. I'd go up the farm and get blitzed on meanies and every time I'd think these get me that out of it. The Sydney subs do not compare.

Now to get back on track. P.papuana is strong. Weight for weight when I ate them they were as strong as any mushroom I've had. I'll find the photo and post it of the crappy little specimens I ate. I was getting OEV off them. At one point I'm looking at this thing that looked like a Tiki that would stay in my vision where ever I looked. The big open eyes and the big mouth full of teeth.

That's a fairly common thing for me to see on mushrooms. Lions mouths, reptile heads ugly human faces etc. At that dose there is no way P.subaeruginosa would do that from any where that I've tried. Meanies probably would so I think they'd be as potent as them.:smile:

I like to think I'm sensitive but these forums show me I'm not. I've eaten a lot of mushrooms over the last 35 years. There is no way even with months of abstinence from eating 1g dried weight of P.subaeruginosa (coastal or mountains) would do anything other than be a micro dose. Weight for weight no subs are that potent. They are big compared to the mushrooms this thread is about and OVER RATED.

I've had trips on Datura and they were nothing like the mushrooms I found recently. So no way they are like tropane alkaloids in effect. The worse part about them was being hot and my heart racing. It wasn't dry heat like with Datura. The best part was feeling so good for days afterwards.

Psilocybin makes me feel more open and friendly for days and weeks afterwards. This was different because I was laughing a lot for days afterwards. Things that would normally annoy me seemed very funny. All my stupid routines seemed that stupid that they were funny.

Exercise feels very good because it makes me breathe harder. I don't feel as tense now. That's it in a nutshell I think. I've let go of tension I've been holding onto for a long time.:smile:


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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
    #23670122 - 09/23/16 05:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)


P.papuana the small dose I mentioned in the above post.


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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
    #23670215 - 09/23/16 06:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:takingnotes:  :takingnotes:


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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Bunya]
    #23670321 - 09/23/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I was just thinking I started this thread to highlight the species its about. In particular it was to steer away from P.subaeruginosa, P.cubensis and Copelandia cyanescens.

It is ironic that I have spent a lot of time discussing those species in this thread. I think Australia's mushroom scene is backwards. However I don't wish to criticise anymore what most Australian's think are our psychedelic mushrooms.  Thanks Bunya.:smile: I'll try and stay on track now.

It's funny how people that smoke a lot of dope don't have much time for stories about people that get that out of it on gear that gives them a buzz.

I'm like that with mushrooms. I need to be tolerant of people with low tolerance (no pun intended) to mushrooms. I am sure there has never been a pre requisite on shroomery that only hardened mushroom trippers have a right to talk. Sometimes I get like that so maybe I'll concentrate on making this a photo thread of these 3 species. Rather than a verbal bash anyone that thinks P.subaeruginosa or P.cubensis warrants all the attention that these forums give those two species.:blush::heart::mushroom2:


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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
    #23671716 - 09/23/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Even driving past cars and trucks going the other way on the narrow winding road. I was so aware of them and where my car was.  Without the usual fear reaction as they go by. So what is normally a three hour slightly nerve wracking trip became a pleasure. It's all a bit weird but I'm not complaining.:smile:




Some people think I'm mad for traveling as far as I do for mushrooms. Because it's not even that, it's the gorgeous places that the journey brings you, and the amazing people you meet along the way at gas stations or scenic lookouts etc. and I think the travels are well worth it.

One place is 4h away, so I leave 4am to be there for sunrise, and when people will be walking their dogs and such. Just blending. Then I've got the whole day to myself to do whatever, take a small nap and take the 4h home. Out in the country we would have to drive 4 hours to the cities, so I really don't see it much different, except that the places I go and things I find are much cooler. Be safe out there, I'd imagine you have as many shitty drivers as we do.


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    #23672980 - 09/24/16 04:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: NothingsChanged] * 1
    #23673155 - 09/24/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hi Adden, when I used to live in Sydney there was nothing I liked more than to go for a drive up to the mountains to go hunting for mushrooms. My longest trips were up to the north coast of NSW then back again the same day. Kind of defeated the purpose but living in Sydney was crap.

Its only when I moved away permanently that I understood just how bad it was.

Going up my uncles farm was a blessing just to give me time out from suburbia. When I'd be high on meanies up there I'd study the cows, birds,how the wind comes and goes. It was all so magical. Dosing like that on fresh meanies in Sydney can be horrendous.

Cars look like they are going to bite. People can look sinister. Its just not the same. Nature is sending out messages all the time. Put too many people together in a city and those messages are hard to receive. As I'm sure you would know.

I was just trying to assess Fractaliopsybe's experience with P.subaeruginosa. It's probably not my place to do it as I'm a cynical prick. Whats more he has every right to post whatever he likes I guess. I just started getting shitty at myself for entering into a debate about P.subaeruginosa. Especially when I realised my questions were not being answered and I was just repeating the same things from post to post.

NothingsChanged I like it when you post and Adden as well.  Mushrooms rule. It just takes time to adjust let go and let them take whoever where ever forever.:mushroom2::heart:


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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Bunya]
    #23673309 - 09/24/16 08:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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P.papuana the small dose I mentioned in the above post.



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:takingnotes:  :takingnotes:



:rolleyes:And in my less than two years of hunting P Subs & P Cubes... :tongue::heart:
I highly look forward to find more to put under my belt.:wink:

As I am coming up close to you guys!!!
& will be hunting the Mid north coast! :headbang3:
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Fractaliopsybe]
    #23675560 - 09/24/16 11:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Looking forward to the papuana pics
When do they usually start fruiting?
Enjoying the trip analysis.
Put the ault to grain and liquid will c how it goes.
Funny i bought a heap of cheap Hp for the vegi garden and it started pinning crazy in the bag but think they are some straw shroom.


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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Bunya]
    #23675807 - 09/25/16 03:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks Fractaliopsybe. So you did it the other way. Left the bush for the big smoke. I tell you when I go to Sydney these day I cannot wait to leave. Just the smell of the car fumes funnelling down the street and I want to go indoors to get away from it.

Where I live now the air is so crisp and sweet.

I only found P.papuana for the first time at the end of April Bunya. It was hot weather then because of the tail end of el nino. When it became cold at the beginning of June they disappeared.

So it looks like they like warmer weather. How hot I don't know. I found some dried out specimens before I knew what they were a couple of weeks previously.

P.papuana fruits in Sydney too. On red clayey soil. According to one of the finds from 2014. Think it was subhunter. Inski gave me the links back in liberty cap allies thread. That was just around the time when he put an ID of P.papuana on these mushrooms.

They were bigger specimens than the ones I found here. Think their caps were up to 50mm across from memory. So read those threads if you haven't and they might give you an idea of where to look.

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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
    #23675821 - 09/25/16 03:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey Bunya check out p44 Liberty cap allies thread. Inski gives the link there. It's Dr Sub who found those P.papuana there.

Then there are 2 more links that I know of to P.papuana in Sydney. Well one is from the Blue mountains. The other is from Cheekypup in Sydney. Those links are probably a few pages back on Liberty cap allies thread. I should look I guess because more info about them the better.


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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
    #23675831 - 09/25/16 04:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you go to p40 of "Liberty cap allies fruiting in Australia in Summer" thread there are 2 more links from Inski. The first is the Dr.Sub one. If you go down the first page on that thread Ent gives a link to the P.papuana find from cheekypup.

The second link from Inski on p40 Liberty cap allies thread is a find out the Blue mountains of P.papuana most likely.

So just need that red clayey soil and start hunting. Looks like Autumn is the go.


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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
    #23675862 - 09/25/16 05:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Champion Heyowana. Have a fair bit of reading now.
Great stuff. Thanks for the tips.


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