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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
#23659628 - 09/19/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Heyowana
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
#23659661 - 09/19/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Check this out. It's off google P.semilanceata print. I had no idea that the prints could be brown like that. Guess I'm used to purple black. Some P.subaeruginosa prints I've seen here on shroomery look brownish.
I'm fairly sure the mushrooms I found aren't a Psilocybe species.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
#23659798 - 09/19/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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blueing conocybe smithii - Mushroom By: Trigger 7 years old* Good Read any wayz --------------------- haha cool* ---------------------
 Hope these links help us decipher what Sp. you dealt with. 
The links page seems close to the ones you encountered
 
-------------------- Psilocybe Cubensis. Panaeolus Cyanescens. Psilocybe Subaeruginosa. Dimethyltryptamine.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Fractaliopsybe]
#23659839 - 09/19/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought Conocybe species were a lighter brown spore print than the ones I encountered. However looking at the spore print in the link on the white paper I'm not sure. It looks the same colour as the lighter prints of mine back on the other page.
Maybe it was a muscarine trip I had then. In that genus I don't know if muscarine is mutually exclusive from psilocybin. So far it has proven to be with the bluing ones people know of. Then black staining isn't blue so perhaps there was zero psilocybin in the ones I tried. Thanks Fractaliopsybe
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
#23660417 - 09/20/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah no wokkerz Mate. A good learning curve* 
I get how you find 3 exotics and then got... Overly excited about a possible forth Sp.  As there's confusing signs & indicators, As shown & described.
Very peculiar indeed.. -------
Good luck with Hunting's & the teachings of P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana! Great work so far, Keep it up dude!
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Fractaliopsybe]
#23660447 - 09/20/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think they are a Conocybe species. Psathyrella has spores a similar colour. Inocybe there are about 900 different species. Many contain muscarine. Some stain black on the stem. The fruiting bodies of this mushroom tend to tear on the cap as they get older. They smell quite noxious as well particularly when more mature.
I really want to leave this here. I am not going to pick them again. I am over the effects today. Three days later. Back to my grumpy old cynical self.
So from now on BLUE STAINING Psilocybe species.
I've made plenty of mistakes in the past Fractaliopsybe. When that mushroom that glows in the dark formerly called Pleurotus nidiformus looked like an oyster mushroom it got eaten as a meal by me.
I was young then. It tasted beautiful. More rich and apricot like than an oyster mushroom. Forty five minutes later I was vomiting that taste back up. Felt alright after that. Some of the staining Agaricus species are nasty. The ones that don't smell sweet like almonds.
They have made me feel bad for days afterwards. Anyway life for what its worth goes on.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
#23660528 - 09/20/16 01:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Heyowana said: I don't think they are a Conocybe species. Psathyrella has spores a similar colour. Inocybe there are about 900 different species. Many contain muscarine. Some stain black on the stem. The fruiting bodies of this mushroom tend to tear on the cap as they get older. They smell quite noxious as well particularly when more mature. -- They have made me feel bad for days afterwards. Anyway life for what its worth goes on.
Wow this makes me want to know exactly what Sp. they are...? 
Yeah but could have been a lot worse, Look on the Lighter side. 
So many Species Variations + Phenotype changes & Habitat differences. Makes it hard to know for sure if it may not be well documented or mutations of a Particular Sp. (Genes / DNA ...?) --------- Hmm IME, With P. Sub Myc compared to L. Ceres Myc. Subs Myc tends to Smells like 's , The pungent like smell or fresh picked bag of subs.. L. Ceres smells more.. Sweet... & other inactive that don't look deadly smell like.. The General mushroom smells..* (potential edibles & others) (Still doing all round Mycelium learning's & Observations when hunting)
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Fractaliopsybe] 2
#23660657 - 09/20/16 04:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just for intrests. P.alutacea spores on agar.
-------------------- Bunya cones kill.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Bunya]
#23660710 - 09/20/16 05:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bunya said: Just for intrests. P.alutacea spores on agar.

 
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Bunya]
#23660715 - 09/20/16 05:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fractaliopsybe you have an interesting way of quoting my text. All the best. Hope you find peace.
I hope they start getting going Bunya. Maybe as the weather warms up it might speed up. If you have any spores left you could always try something different. Since I am totally ignorant about cultivation on agar could you explain a few things to me?
What is the agar? Is it malt agar and if so what strength as in % of malt. If not please tell me, as I can learn about it, knowing virtually nothing. Thanks.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
#23660735 - 09/20/16 05:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Heyowana said: Fractaliopsybe you have an interesting way of quoting my text. All the best. Hope you find peace. -- What is the agar? Is it malt agar and if so what strength as in % of malt. If not please tell me, as I can learn about it, knowing virtually nothing. Thanks.
Cheers , Shits f**ked ATM kruzing down struggle street headed closer to upper shit creek.   Generally for shortening lines if quote is on same page/recent* Also my main reply to the lines, I am referring to. If seems nonsensical or not specific enough, ill try to reply/requote ASAP. (requoted-Edits are for better understanding & ease of reading in future for others*) --------------------- yeah... Speak to bunya! we/ He his doing well with P.Subs also on agar. ----------------------- https://www.shroomery.org/11332/Agar-and-Culture-Storage
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Good Luck, Bro! *Remember that: "Patience is a virtu"
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Fractaliopsybe] 1
#23661942 - 09/20/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The visions didn't seem like distortions as with psilocybin but more hallucinations fuelled by paranoia later on.
For the first 4 hrs I really thought I was tripping on psilocybin mushrooms. The duration is way too long. Also the next day after feeling hot all night I woke up with my hand on my heart. My rib was sore. It wasn't before I went to bed. I meditated and felt really good like too good. When doing taichi I felt shakey for a couple of sets then I felt really good and out of it like on a psychedelic.
My breathing felt a bit weird that night when I was tripping. I kept deep breathing like I couldn't get enough air. The next day I was deep breathing and it felt magical. That's the thing there was no nausea. My head has felt light and I keep feeling like endorphines going from my balls up to the top of my head. That can happen to me on good dope and mushrooms that contain psilocybin.
Could be a mild muscarine posioning. Don't eat unidentified mushrooms man! You should know this!!
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Muscarine poisoning is characterized by miosis, blurred vision, increased salivation, excessive sweating, lacrimation, bronchial secretions, bronchoconstriction, bradycardia, abdominal cramping, increased gastic acid secretion, diarrhea and polyuria. If muscarine reaches the brain it can cause tremor, convulsions and hypothermia. Cardiac ventricles contain muscarinic receptors that mediate a decrease in the force of contractions leading to a lower blood pressure. If muscarine is administered intravenously, muscarine can trigger acute circulatory failure with cardiac arrest.[1] The symptoms of intoxication with mushrooms rich in muscarine, especially Inocybe, are very typical: The symptoms start early, after one-quarter to two hours, with headache, nausea, vomiting, and constriction of the pharynx. Then salivation, lacrimation, and diffuse perspiration set in, combined with miosis, disturbed accommodation, and reduced vision. Gastric and small bowel colic leads to diarrhea, and there is a painful urge for urination. Bronchoconstriction leads to asthmatic attacks and severe dyspnea, and bradycardia combined with marked hypotension and vasodilation results in circulatory shock. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscarine
also see: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3702120/
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: knarkkorven] 1
#23662922 - 09/20/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you very much knarkkorven
I did have dry eyes. Then for two days afterwards my eyes felt funny. It was like what I looked at I could feel with my eyes. For example the fireplace. It was like my eyes registering every movement of the flame as if the flame had solidity.
When I watched movies. Even last night it was like whatever I looked at moving on the screen would mesmerise me via my eyes and take me into the picture. Then I could feel say people walking in the movie as if I was there.
I don't think I'm making much sense but I agree it sounds like mild muscarine poisoning via an Inocybe species. Fortunately I ate them as a drug rather than as food. Otherwise I may have been taking a TRIP to the hospital if having eaten a larger quantity.
I will not eat them again. I do feel my unwarranted attention to them now on this thread has run its course. Mainly because now I'm close to certain they are not an active mushroom in the sense that they don't provide a recreational high.
I was dumb. Stupid is more apt I think, to have eaten them without an ID. As I said earlier my attitude is a bit like russian roulette. So to avoid that scenario I'll post anything new on the ID forum as other people do. That way I'll avoid possible poisoning or even death.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana] 1
#23662963 - 09/20/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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After last nights rain some P.alutacea started coming up on the horse manure I placed around the redwood clones. First image is a bit blurry. It was raining at the time but that's a lame excuse.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana] 1
#23663528 - 09/20/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some P.alutacea popping up next door.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana] 1
#23663546 - 09/20/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana] 1
#23663558 - 09/20/16 10:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
#23664027 - 09/21/16 02:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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They don't get very big do they? It must be very labour intensive to get a decent trip out of them
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: gamminEYE] 2
#23664075 - 09/21/16 04:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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They are small generally. In Autumn it would be easy to gather enough for a trip. One pile of horse manure can produce heaps. Anyway I won't keep posting pics of P.alutacea from Autumn just to illustrate that point.
I also won't criticise them. If your world revolves around P.subaeruginosa, so be it. Variety is the spice of life they say. Wonder what other Psilocybe species occur in NSW?
I keep thinking P.tasmaniana is a better quality trip than anything I've tried. With that species too its a numbers game. I wouldn't say they are as potent as Copelandia cyanescens. Weight for weight they'd be as potent as P.subaeruginosa but better.
P.alutacea I don't know. I've never had enough because when they were thick I was eating P.tasmaniana every day micro dosing each morning. P.alutacea isn't that laid back. Now in big dosages they might hang in for longer too. They are racy and heating like Copelandia cyanescens. They have a stronger euphoric element than Copelandia cyanescens and the other usual fare.
P.papuana didn't have any euphoric feelings but seemed very potent. I am drawn to the mushrooms with the bliss feelings. P.tasmaniana is at the top there. Followed by the tropical liberty caps in Qld what ever they were. Next would be P.alutacea. After that P.pelliculosa look alikes but I never had enough to trip well.
Then P.subaeruginosa. Next down for less bliss P.cubensis. After that I'd put P.papuana and Copelandia cyanescens down the bottom. Potency wise I'd be putting those last two at the top.
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Re: New South Wales P.tasmaniana, P.alutacea and P.papuana thread. [Re: Heyowana]
#23664135 - 09/21/16 05:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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