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george castanza
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Kramer Cakes 13
#23510779 - 08/04/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok everyone throw out your agar plates and trash all your cultures because you're not going to need them anymore!
OK you might not want to throw away all the shit you have been working on if you have a bunch of cultures in your refrigerator, but if you don't and you do have a few half pint jars and a pressure cooker you might want to check this out.
This is not a huge revelation in mushroom growing, and those of you who are already growing mass tubs of bulk substrates might want to skip over this one. There are varying levels of cultivation expertise as with any thing else, those who consider themselves masters need read no further.
However, if you have just run through your first grow with the pf tek and brf, and had any success at all, and if it left you like it left Kramer, wanting to grow just a little more; you might find this tek an easy way to introduce yourself to grain. Or if perhaps you are a total newb and have never grown before but have read and re-read that faq a few dozen times, this could be a good tek for a confident person to bypass the pf tek with.
The type of grain we will be using is millet. Kramer likes white millet because it is cheaper, but red will work if that is all that you can get. The easiest place to score millet is at any hardware store that sells loose bird seed for folks that like to mix their own. This recipe calls for roughly 5lbs of millet, so you would want to pick at least that much up to start.
In a pinch you could use any wbs that is mostly millet, but Kramer likes using plain millet best.
So, Kramer has been perfecting this tek over the years and since he has never seen anyone else post a detailed tek on this one, he figured that he would drop a little bit of what he has been doing these past few years since the show was canceled.
This will take you strait to grains, where you want to be, especially if you are trying to grow bulk grows, that are covered in greater detail in many other threads.
Materials Needed:
1. Pressure Cooker
2. Wide mouth 1/2 pint jars
3. Millet(or wbs)
4. Vermiculite (fine grade is best)
5. Spore syringe (or liquid culture)
6. Micropore tape
7. Alcohol pads/ paper towels
8. Oust or Lysol/ or still air box method can be used
9. A room you can clean up and keep a still air environment for a few minutes
10. Large mixing bowl or tub and spoon
Optional items that can make your grow a lot easier. Bucket with pouring lip, sink drain screen.
Step one: Soak your grain, let it soak for 12-24 hours, pour hot water onto the grain and let it soak, this is where the bucket comes in handy, if not use your mixing bowl or tub.
After the grain has soaked for the duration, drain some of the water off, if your going to be fruiting these as cakes, you will want to leave all of the water with the grain, a good rule of thumb is three parts millet 2 parts water 1 part verm, if you start with this soaking the millet in the water and then adding the verm after the soak, you should be close the the moisture content your going to need to fruit these boys out as cakes. Kramer calls this the 3-2-1 blast off mix, no other ingredients are needed.
Note: if you're using this for spawn you can drain off all the water and then just toss in a little verm to dry up the mix as pictured .
Mix your verm and soaked grain and water together and make sure you have no water pooling in the bottom of the mixing tray, if you do get water pooling just add a little verm and keep mixing. The key to success with this method is the same as with brf, it starts with a well mixed substrate
There are two ways you can go about preparing your cakes, you can use a dry verm layer, just like the pf tek. or you can just fill your jars up and tape the hole with micropore tape after inoculation.
Kramer always just fills his jars all the way full, lightly packing the substrate and then after inoculation tapes the hole over.
 Yes, the hole, Kramer likes using one hole in the middle of the lid, he says this is the best chance for success when growing cakes. This works with brf as well, make one hole in the middle of the lid and inoculate the middle of the cake.

Ok, back to making the cakes, when you mix in your say 3 quarts of millet with your 2 quarts of water and they have soaked you then mix in your 1 quart of verm, this should give you a slightly damp to maybe even a little soupy substrate mix, the key to success on this is to dry it up. make sure that after you have mixed everything completely you can then take your mixing spoon and scrape a clear spot in the bottom of the bowl or tub, if you have water pooling there then toss in a little verm and mix well until no water pools out of the sub, now you have perfect moisture content for optimum colonization.
Note: If you have only soaked your grain for a few hours or your grain was soaking at a very low temperature for less than 12 hours when you cook it the grain will finish soaking up all the water and your mix may be too dry, it is very important that you soak the grain for at least 12 hours. Also if your grain has soaked for 24 hours or less and it stinks really bad because it has begun fermenting, its ok, just get it in the cooker and it will be fine if you let the grain soak too long over the 24 hours and it is stinking really bad, you may want to toss it.

Time to load your jars and get them in the pc and bring it up to 15lbs, turn it down so that there is little to no steam escaping and you stay at 15lbs for at least 45 min, but no more than 90 min, turn off pc and allow to cool for 24 hours.
Next take out the oust and spray down the house jump in the shower and wash yourself even if it's not Saturday, then put on some fresh clean cloths and head out to your work area.
Inoculate your cakes with less than 1/4 cc of spore fluid per cake, if possible. I know sometime you squirt out a little more than you wanted, but that's ok too, the less spore fluid you can use the better. Kramer likes to get 40 jars out of a vendor syringe even tho he used Jerry's cc when he ordered.
Immediately tape over your holes with your micropore tape and place jars somewhere warm to colonize, as long as you can keep your jars at 72F you should have no worries.
Your not all the done yet, if you want results like this your going to want to dunk and roll these cakes just like they were brf.
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That's pretty cool, like V tek but with a rez effect. You ever keep these in the jar and top fruit em? Should note that even people working with live culture could use these, LC or LI will do the trick.
Nice writeup. I just happen to have a sack of white millet. I also got a few LCs in my fridge that I was gonna test out. If they come up clean I will give this a run soon.
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 cool idea! Haven't really found a decent use for all the leftover half pint PF jars from years ago, but this should take care of that problem now without the hassle of making the dreaded PF mix. The results look nice and should work great for clone testing. Thanks for sharing!
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Totally fucking cool that this was your 420th post brother! Thank you for spending it with me! 
Yes. I had kind of gotten myself into a situation with a bunch of half pint jars, and really what the fuck are you going to do with the half-pint jars once you move on to bulk? So mother necessity scores another win!
Btw you can maximize pressure cooker space with these bad boys. You could maybe get more sub in your cooker with bags, but it would be close.
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Jeepers those are some giant fruits! Fuck it, im gunna have to give this a go! You mean to say that ms consistantly grows that well, just because the sub is mostly millet? I thought brf was richer in nutes than wbs
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Pretty damn neat. Good post.
I may give this a try soon.
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george castanza
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Well, there are several factors at play that gives this tek favorable advantage when working from multi-spore. For one thing it gets the rizo myc colonizing the outside of the cake, not that it wouldn't or couldn't find the outside of the cake anyway, but why not give the rizo the advantage when it comes to the food source right? Like I said it works just as well with a brf substrate, but these cakes are much easier to use for spawn.
Brf is richer, as would any processed flour be over a whole grain. If you noticed I flipped the amounts of grain to verm for this tek. I tried many different ratios, if you're fruiting as cakes the 3-2-1 works best ime.
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I imagine the higher grain ratios make these far better to spawn than brf. Certainly couldn't pack that ratio with flour.
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Just for clarification, these are fruited in a SGFC?
I enjoyed this write up, a lot, george castanza! The local hardware store sells millet cheap, this will be a great way to use up my last 100mls of LC! Very cool!
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Absolutely!
If I know the jars are going to be spawned then all the water gets drained off and then only a handful of verm gets mixed in.
In this scenario the verm serves two very important purposes. First, it regulates the moisture content ensuring every grain gets its fair share of the water that is available. Secondly and just as important IMO(I guessthis is really more than just one point), is that it gives the myc a chance to stretch out a little and have a friendly competition as to who wants to eat but does not leave the substrate like a rock or a piece of concrete or whatever, it leaves you with an easy to crumble substrate with thousands of inoculation points when spawning to bulk. Idk how many of you have colonized millet all by itself, but that shit will turn into a rock on your ass and you will need a hammer to break it apart.
To answer your other question yes I tried to top fruit them out of the jar several times with several different strains, but I always pussed out and pulled them out of the jar due to side pinning. Now that I'm thinking about it the side pinning is probably due to the fact that natural sunlight is always the light source of choice and it always comes in from the side. I like to have them get hit by direct sunlight in the early am or late pm. Also worth noting is that the biggest problem I have encountered with this method was huge pinsets on cakes that would wind up aborting, most likely because they couldn't draw enough water to sustain themselves.
It is very similar to the rez effect tek. It's also similar to Hawks magic formula mix which is how I got started with seed cakes. I have literally tried damn near every tek(on the main page), as well as damn near every strain from every vendor. This particular method worked very well, so I had an inclination to stick with it.
I'm blown away that you would even consider using this tek with all the mad skills you possess man.
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Saved. This tek looks fun.
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When I started, I started PF tek--just like many of us. I wanted to up my game, so first I tried spawning the cakes. It went okay, and bulk was appealing, so I went spores to grain. It worked… until it didn't work, and I got such bad contams that there was no coming back from it (at least, that's what it felt like).
So I started making the BRF Agar Substitute (BRFAS) and kept thinking I had clean cultures, and having those trich/mold out too.
It was because of all this failure that I came to a decision: it was either throw in the towel, or sack up and use agar. So I did. It's been the agar that has helped me have any degree of success since.
I kinda wish kramer cakes were around a year ago, they may have make the transition a bit easier on me. This could very well help keep newbs from throwing in the towel too
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New ideas is what keeps this hobby fun and exciting! This tek will make some major waves in the near future as people start experimenting with kramer cakes. I think a lot of PF tek fails are mostly due to mixtures being slightly off, or at least that's what frustrated the hell out of me back then. Nailing down the moisture levels, Brf clumping, verm barrier caving in.. So many things I hated about PF cakes but when you finally get it right they put out good fruits. Now it's going to be a hell of a lot easier to do clone tests and run them side by side with Minimonos to compare performance on bulk subs.
@george that is strange about my 420 post.. I wasn't paying attention to it until you mentioned it. We'll burn one together brother!
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I have everything I need for this, so I think I might try this out. Nifty tek. No more room in my SGFC right now though, so I think it's time I bought another tub. Been needing to increase my yields and between this tek and the coir monotub I'm about to start, I should be good for quite some time.
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I like how we have GC anc CK in the same thread, each with their respective avatars.
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Re: Kramer Cakes [Re: Inocuole] 1
#23512630 - 08/05/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Haha. Yeah actually George inspired this account name. I've been reading these forums since around late 2006-2007. Always been a fan of both..George on Seinfeld and Shroomery!
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Ahh yeah that's probably around when I first peered in here. Different place, then.
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Re: Kramer Cakes [Re: Inocuole] 1
#23512660 - 08/05/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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george castanza
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Mycologist217 said: Just for clarification, these are fruited in a SGFC?
The cake at the bottom of the thread was actually fruited in a pmp.
Here is a Kramer Cake fruiting in a sgfc.
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Mycologist217 said: Just for clarification, these are fruited in a SGFC?
The cake at the bottom of the thread was actually fruited in a pmp.
Here is a Kramer Cake fruiting in a sgfc.

That looks pretty damn good. I find side pins in top fruited half pints or pp5s to not really be a problem. Top case really helps I find I have had nice results top fruiting and bottom watering brf cakes so I gonna definitely try with this. I'll post the results here.
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Fuck brf! Kramer cakes 4 life!
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the real advantage to the PF tek is being able to steam sterilize at 0psi. if you have a pressure cooker but it's small just use your PF half pint jars and put grain spawn in it and still spawn to bulk. or make any kind of cake with grain like in the OP and fruit it in a SGFC.
use the millet in the small jars like that but just millet no verm, then use them as masters. g2g if you want. or spawn the 1/2 pint millet jars to bulk and put trays in your SGFC
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Cool! Nice write up.
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Mycologist217 said: Just for clarification, these are fruited in a SGFC?
The cake at the bottom of the thread was actually fruited in a pmp.
Here is a Kramer Cake fruiting in a sgfc.

That looks pretty damn good. I find side pins in top fruited half pints or pp5s to not really be a problem. Top case really helps I find I have had nice results top fruiting and bottom watering brf cakes so I gonna definitely try with this. I'll post the results here.
Sweet!
The dunknroll is crucial for good flushes on cakes.
I always try to get a good half inch to 2cm coating of sterilized verm all over the cakes and the I take whatever is left on the tray i was rolling on and pile it on the top of the cakes. Then after the cake is placed lovingly into the chamber, I soak every cake with a spray bottle, making sure to soak it down with as much water as the verm will hold, but also being careful not to spray any off. I then give them two days to a week before they get sprayed again.
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A good trick to not Spraying the verm off is to leave it on the cake for an hour or two before misting it for the first time. I got 2 LC candidates in the fridge and I just sterilized me some syringes. Will probably test it out tomorrow or Wednesday. If good I'm gonna do a whack of these.
Only wrinkle is I musta wiped off the sharpie label on the LC cause I have no idea what they are. But if they come out clean I doubt they will have any issues with this
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Let the magic unfold!!
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Bump and subscribed for future research.
Just tried grain jars the other day for the first time, 3-4 days later..not seeing a dime of growth.
May try this next. Looks very legit and informative.
Average yield for these vs pf cakes?
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3 to 4 days with spores is far to soon to worry, can take over 14 days to see germination.
My LC has tested clean despite its advanced age. Gonna prep me some of these either tonight or tomorrow. Biggest concern now is that my damn LC is too thick to asperate, could barely get any into the syringe. Might just try pouring right from the jar
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I apologize in advance for the digression but how exactly did you test your LC? Just on a small amount of grain?
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On agar. Shows bacteria better than grain ever could and quicker too.
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Doh! Obviously haha thanks!!  Friggin agar what would you do without it?
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ComebackKid said: Doh! Obviously haha thanks!!  Friggin agar what would you do without it?
Heh. Everything used to be a crap shoot with MS.. Blaming this and that method with a lot of head scratching. Now it's not nearly as much of a question of technique, but instead the most important step in cultivating is clean spawn. Commercial growers always knew this but it took a while for it to be adapted and tweaked for the average Joe. Thank you to all the members that continue to pioneer new and easier ways to do things in this hobby.
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Average yield for these vs pf cakes?
The most I ever have messured from one cake is just over twenty one dry grams. Sometimes in one flush, sometimes from multiple. The least I have ever measured from a non-contaminated cake was right at fourteen. If memory serves me correctly I believe the cakes themselves weigh in at 258g when birthed and would not take on a drop of water when dunked, so I actually would just dip and roll them.
While I was keeping track of everything I believe I did determine an average yield of just over eighteen grams per.
These stats were all from ms inoculation. I originally used these cakes to test out batches of lc and ms syringes but after fruiting one out I became hooked.
Here is a picture of what the first sign of healthy growth will look like:

Usually you can expect to see this within ten days of inoculation. Sometimes less, but I always wait ten days before I check, handling the jars freshly inoculated never increases your chances of success.
Another thing I like about these cakes is that there is no wondering if the middle of the cake is done.
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That last statement reminds me of past times trying to slice or grate PF cakes to spawn to bulk sub. Instant wtf if it wasn't colonized in the middle fully! Now I'm still wondering what that was all about!
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Hell I'm soaking some wbs now......think I'll give this a go with some TOC I have on agar.......looks interesting and I'm in the transition from cakes to bulk now.....we'll see how it goes
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So upon taking stock of what I have to work with I decided I am going to simply evaluate this as a substrate prep method. I don't have a lot of free half pints kicking around, most are being dedicated to other things. Nor do I have any center drilled lids that are not filtered. So I am gonna do them in PP5 ziplocs. The plan will be to fruit some as cakes as per the tek and some will be top fruited as pods. Should be good.
As a sub prep writeup goes, it went pretty good. The millet verm water ratio of 3 2 1 was bang on. Great description of the pooling and to add more verm as needed. I held back the last bit of premeasured verm to see where the break point was and it was perfect. The second the last bit was added the pooling stopped. Pretty easy stuff IMO.
Normally I'm not a fan of adding verm to grain spawn. But if the plan is to fruit the grain as an unbroken colony then this only makes sense. Given how well V tek worked for exotic species I can imagine these will do great for pans and Mexicana.
Will keep you all posted.
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Thanks pasty looking forward to seeing it. Plan to try myself soon. I only have jar lids with 4 holes. Wonder if I could polyfil all the holes and make center holes.
If this is the real deal, I won't need my PF jar lids as this will take the new place of that.
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You could do it with the 4 holes like PF tek. Should work the same. I don't even have 4 hole lids. All plastic most are filtered.
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this dude is cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A stimulating and thought provoking contribution to the thread dust. I expected nothing less from you.
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Moabfighter said: Thanks pasty looking forward to seeing it. Plan to try myself soon. I only have jar lids with 4 holes. Wonder if I could polyfil all the holes and make center holes.
If this is the real deal, I won't need my PF jar lids as this will take the new place of that.
I would just throw non porous tape over the holes or dabs of silicone. Or just get new lids. But I think the benifit of one hole in the center is less contamination worries, considering no verm layer. And also you know for certain that the center will be fully colonized.
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I've been having some real pain in the ass issues with PF tek this last go. My sterile procedure hasn't changed, yet I'm getting pink molds, blue, green, black...
I've noticed when I pull the needle out, a good bit of PF mix comes with it. Leading me to believe some BRF is getting mixed in the dry Verm layer, contaminating, and giving me bad jars.
I previously used the tall jars, never had issues. got wide mouths short fat ones, and been having a tough time. Trying to source the problem.
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I only had 2.5 qts wbs after the soak, went ahead and prepped 23 cakes in the mini rounds I have.....goin to use munch's blenderless LI and see how it goes
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Moabfighter said: Thanks pasty looking forward to seeing it. Plan to try myself soon. I only have jar lids with 4 holes. Wonder if I could polyfil all the holes and make center holes.
If this is the real deal, I won't need my PF jar lids as this will take the new place of that.
I would just throw non porous tape over the holes or dabs of silicone. Or just get new lids. But I think the benifit of one hole in the center is less contamination worries, considering no verm layer. And also you know for certain that the center will be fully colonized.
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Moabfighter said: I've been having some real pain in the ass issues with PF tek this last go. My sterile procedure hasn't changed, yet I'm getting pink molds, blue, green, black...
I've noticed when I pull the needle out, a good bit of PF mix comes with it. Leading me to believe some BRF is getting mixed in the dry Verm layer, contaminating, and giving me bad jars.
I previously used the tall jars, never had issues. got wide mouths short fat ones, and been having a tough time. Trying to source the problem.
There could be several reasons your mix is sticking to the needle.
Check the needle to see if the tip may be slightly bent, also if you're flaming your needle and then sticking it in the cake whilst it is still hot, your cooking your substrate right on to your needle.
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Inoculated my cakes this morning.....used less than 6ml to inoculate them, I'm curious to see how long they take to colonize.....will keep updating
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That is quite a bit.
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I have a feeling he means less than 6 ml for the cakes as a whole, not each one individually
Edit. On another note just found out where to buy millet on its own. Just waiting on a liquid culture. Looking forward to this one. Gunna do 6 kramer cakes and gunna toss in a little experiment with my other 6 jars. Will fill yall in another time
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I actually only used about 4 ml....I made 6ml to be safe I didn't know how much LI I'd need... and my room stays at 72°F.....most of my mini rounds are a day or two away from being colonized....do I let them consolidate for a week like brf cakes? My plan is to case with a little verm/coir and top fruit them in a sgfc....going to try to keep them from side pinning by setting the mini rounds down into the perlite....
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I have never had much luck top fruiting cakes myself, but if that's they way you have had success in the past I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work.
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Well I got me 14 Kramer style cakes in pp5 ziplocs nearly done. Gonna consolidate them extra long just in case. Then I am gonna birth, dunk n roll some and top fruit some pod style. This will be my second grow of the year so I is happy. They are looking pretty happy so far. Moisture content of the millet and verm must be bang on. I noticed less burst grains than I usually see with straight millet too.
Using the unmodified lids in PP5 I was able to knock up a few with wedges and shook em around well. Those are proving almost as fast as the LC.
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Pastywhyte said: Well I got me 14 Kramer style cakes in pp5 ziplocs nearly done. Gonna consolidate them extra long just in case. Then I am gonna birth, dunk n roll some and top fruit some pod style. This will be my second grow of the year so I is happy. They are looking pretty happy so far. Moisture content of the millet and verm must be bang on. I noticed less burst grains than I usually see with straight millet too.
Using the unmodified lids in PP5 I was able to knock up a few with wedges and shook em around well. Those are proving almost as fast as the LC.
I'm assuming you're using pe. I have never attempted to fruit pe as cakes, so I'm extra interested to see the results.
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I'm not sure if it's PE or not. But it might be, I did make a fair amount of PE LC's. But it could be RW or wikidzon as well cause I made a butt load of those. The label on the jar got wipes off so I have no idea. Should be fun lol.
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The cakes are getting that consolidated look. I decided to fruit 4 rolled in verm in a mono, then top fruit 3 cased with coir verm in a mono.
Also have 6 that were done in taller pp5s. A couple of them were inoculated with agar wedges and given the shakability of these allowed for some speedy colonization.
I did notice they don't knit up quite as tight as brf. Takes on water fast so a long dunk definitely not needed. A little care was needed when handling.
Excited tho, this is only my second cube grow of the year.
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Woot! Excited to see your next update. Why is it only your second grow of the year? I have already caught the bug, and don't know how I will ever go that long lol. Just over stocked?
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Also have 6 that were done in taller pp5s. A couple of them were inoculated with agar wedges and given the shakability of these allowed for some speedy colonization.
I did notice they don't knit up quite as tight as brf. Takes on water fast so a long dunk definitely not needed. A little care was needed when handling.
Excited tho, this is only my second cube grow of the year.

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I open air fruited these ....the others where spawned to a mini mono...but I think I should've used all of them because it's been almost 2 weeks and I’m starting to see patches of myc pop through the casing....
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Open air fruiting!?!!
I've routinely gotten five and even six flushes out of a Kramer cake, so don't toss them until they contaminat, or are done. You can tell when they are done because they won't take on anymore water when you dunk and they get really light. I always give em a 12hr dunk between flushes.
Also if you suspect any contamination you should be very careful when handling the cake because they will literally crumble into thousands of pieces and sometimes even seem to explode when you pick them up. I always handle suspect cakes by taking a plastic grocery bag and using it kind of like a glove, turn it inside out and grab up the cake with the tinfoil or lid or whatever it's sitting on in the chamber so as to contain it if it's a crumbler. When I pick them up I turn the bag over and give them a gentle squeeze, don't squeeze it any harder than you would a nice c cup tittie, just a gentle, firm, loving squeeze. If the cake feels solid it has more shrooms in it, if it is super spongy feeling it's probably spent, if it crumbles up go ahead and tie the bag off and toss it.
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This looks very interesting 
Did I understand that these are shake-able as well??
I could imagine very fast colonisation if that was the case.
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Pastywhyte said: The cakes are getting that consolidated look. I decided to fruit 4 rolled in verm in a mono, then top fruit 3 cased with coir verm in a mono.
Also have 6 that were done in taller pp5s. A couple of them were inoculated with agar wedges and given the shakability of these allowed for some speedy colonization.
I did notice they don't knit up quite as tight as brf. Takes on water fast so a long dunk definitely not needed. A little care was needed when handling.
Excited tho, this is only my second cube grow of the year.

I have noticed that packing the substrate will give it a bit more of a densely consolidated mass feeling. However I have also noticed a pretty wide variant among different strains of p.cub as well concerning the solidarity of the mycelium mass. South American/ Mexican strains seem to mostly produce close knitting myc, whereas Asian strains seem to be more hit or miss on the formation of a week/wispy mycelium mass.
Again I would like to emphasize the packing of this substrate in the 1/2 pint widemouth jar. When I pack the substrate I give it a nice tamp with the spoon, I use a bigger size mixing spoon and put the first scoop in, then the second kind of heaps the substrate over the rim, I give it a pack with the bottom of the spoon to firmly pack it in, and then scrape the excess back into the mixing tub, quick wipe of the outer rim on the top of the jar to clear the outside rim of any substrate and then repeat. I can actually fill about 3 jars per minute perfectly, but I've had a substantial amount of practice. 
A good way to tell if your substrate is too loose is to firmly set your jar down on a hard surface. Be careful because you definitely don't want to slam it down so hard as to break the jar(I'm all about safety) if the substrate packs itself when you sit it down firmly then chances are you could have packed it a little more to hit optimal density. In fact you can really pack these jars as tight as you can get them if you want. Two things I'll caution about that are 1) if water pools in the bottom of the jar after you have packed it down you have packed it too tight and although it will in all likelihood colonize ok, it will be a bitch to get out of the jar. 2) if you pack it super tight and no water pools your mix could be a little on the dry side however the cake will probably colonize fine, but it will be a bitch to get out of the jar. So that's why I use the firmly setting the jar down as a gauge of optimal substrate density.
When I'm using my Kramer cakes for spawn I drain off most of the water and then just toss in a handful of vermiculite to ensure the mix is not too wet to colonize and to also make the mycelium mass easier to crumble. The larger shakeable containers colonize very rapidly and obviously you would not want to pack the substrate in this type of container.
I know you're not using the 1/2pint widemouths but the points you're making apply all the same. I really appreciate the fact you took your time and energy to try this tek and offer feedback. It really helps me complete and explain the details of this tek to a level (hopefully) that future newbies will be able to easily understand and achieve great results their first time out. It seems that there are still a few details that were unintentionally omitted in the OP that could really impact the outcome. I guess the devil is alive and well, and still kicking it in the details.
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Yeah i definitely didn't pack em much. Probably my issue. But they are looking pretty decent, hope to see pins soon.
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Open air fruiting I harvested 3 mini round cakes for a total of 12g's dry... I got pin mold or something on 2 of the 5 I started with...1 fell apart after the 18 hour dunk...2 getting ready for the 2nd flush
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Just checked my jars after inoculating a couple weeks ago with clean LC. Making progress I would say about 70% colonized!
I PC'd my six 1/2 pint jars for 2 hours. 4 survived the PC and are colonizing perfectly well.
1 had a couple quarter-sized burst millet spots on the bottom which the myc seems to be having problems colonizing for obvious reasons. I'm gunna see it through anyway but dont have high hopes for that one.
1 had completely burst millet about half way up the jar and I didnt even bother inoculating that one.

This is my first time working with millet. I let it soak overnight and checked for pools of water in the bottom of the steel bowl while I mixed the verm in, but I cant help but think my moisture content was too high none the less. Next time I will have to keep that in mind when adding verm. But in the meantime really excited to see how these suckers fruit!
Ps. Love the one hole in the center of the lid with mp tape idea! I can see clouds of myc rolling through the millet towards the glass and its facinating. Plus knowing the center is finished is a nice bonus! Every jar also has a fully colonized bottom which is a nice change from PF where I was usually waiting for the bottom to colonize last!
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Well I got some pins finally. Definitely PE. My birthed cakes are looking bacterial tho. Not the teks fault, I must have shorted the run or something. The cased ones that I am top fruiting look great tho, I am hoping to see pins soon on those as well. Might have some pics to toss up soon.
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Best pinset I've ever had on a cake...
 It's like that all around the whole thing aww yea! Other cakes have some impressive pinsets going on as well. These babys are thiiiiiirsty!
Where's everyone else's pics? Pasty you have to have something for us! No?
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Shit I got busy as hell and it slipped me by. Mine are just wrapped up the 3rd flush and did pretty decent considering it was PE. I will try and snag some pics next flush for ya but, I will do some more of these with some classic cubes. I have a nice wikidzon clone here that should do well on em.
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This is cool. I ended up with spare grain after making jars for truffles so i fired a bit of vermiculite in and inoculated them. Think one is contaminated though
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Lookin forward to it! George said you should see 5 or 6 flushes anyway so no excuses 
EDIT: Just harvested this monster

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Well sorry for missing the first and second flushes with these, they did quite well. No blobs and a decent yield for ms PE on a cake like sub. But here is some 4th flush action which is still going fairly strong despite these having been beat up and dunked repeatedly. Gonna do em again with a classic cube and hopefully I have my shit together enough to get the first flush pics.
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Man would've loved to see earlier flushes.
Something about the cold weather and that SGFC strong musroom smell really wants me to make cakes again.
Don't wanna use MS, got some agar going... so excited for it to take off so I can confirm clean spawn. One Koh Samui plate is doing really well.
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Got some juicy jumbos top right there I'm imagining the ealier flushes with tonnes of long skinky potent little things all over the whole cakes like Medusas hair
Damn Moab I'm a little envious. I haven't got petey's KSSS to germ yet. Been trying for over a month now, four plates and have three left with no growth. Thinking of swabbing the print as a last resort.
I may have to do this Kramer cakes tek over again with a nice KSSS clone. I want a loofah lookin cake
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Damn Moab I'm a little envious. I haven't got petey's KSSS to germ yet. Been trying for over a month now, four plates and have three left with no growth. Thinking of swabbing the print as a last resort.
I may have to do this Kramer cakes tek over again with a nice KSSS clone. I want a loofah lookin cake 
Try stabbing your spores into the agar.
That's what I did.
I have three plates from the same day, two have growth. inoculated I think 4 more of them 3 days ago or so.
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I picked up some half pint wide mouth jars, following the tek and seeing if I actually got a hold of some PE spores...I hope they are, my plan is to cross them with AA+ eventually...once I learn more on the how to's of doing so....gotta keep reading on it....
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These have been through the mill but are still pumping out fruits. No mold yet. However this is the last flush, I bet they can still squeeze out more but I need the mono and the space.

This is a pretty damn good method for new people in my book, and will reward you with lots of flushes.
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What flush is that Pasty? And how are the RW's coming along, gonna be seeing people growing them here anytime soon? or are you still stabilizing the genetics?
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That was a 5th flush IIRC. Pretty solid.
RW 5th gen is going to be spawned soon. But I have 5th gen invitro clones that must be tested as well. Not sure how much longer. Certainly the end is near, I'm not going to push past 7 that's for sure. But it will be ready when it's ready. Bout all I can say.
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Hell yeah that is fucking awesome.... I know what you mean man...can't rush it....I got 5qts of Atl#7 going in hopes of a good new year...got 9 total but the other 4 are not coming along as quickly..
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Do you guys think this method would work with trays? I'm gonna try it out and see what happens? Had some mix leftover after filling my jars, and didn't want it going to waste!
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Yes. Might want to top fruit and case with peat but it would indeed work.
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I was thinking it would since the cake is basically grain....time to put some cyans to agar....I was thinking the same thing but casing in coir....guess I'll go get some peat moss though..thanks Pasty!
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Coir case on straight grain can work for pans but overlay is a bigger risk. I did it Vtek style with coir case tho and it worked okay.
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I will case with peat when the time comes....still haven't tried them... And been here almost a year..lmfao
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Thanks man! I couldn't get the cake out of the jar so I jist top fruited it. Pretty happy with the results
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I would be happy if the jars I have colonizing will bring me a QP dry I have a case of wide mouth half pints colonizing now
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Love these cakes and will never go back to brf cakes!! Kramer cakes for life!!!
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Sorry it's been so long to reply, but those are some very good looking pe cakes.
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Can someone explain to me wtf this is supposed to achieve?? Pasty even commented on one of the first posts and im still like wtf this is beyond noob shit. I read the whole tek and I dont get how this is any different than brf other than millet being used. Is it these "yields" is it because this is supposed to be a step in between? I'm flabergasted
Im honestly blown away by the approval rating I'm seeing here from people I normally respect the opinions of.
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This is not a huge revelation in mushroom growing, and those of you who are already growing mass tubs of bulk substrates might want to skip over this one. There are varying levels of cultivation expertise as with any thing else, those who consider themselves masters need read no further.
However, if you have just run through your first grow with the pf tek and brf, and had any success at all, and if it left you like it left Kramer, wanting to grow just a little more; you might find this tek an easy way to introduce yourself to grain. Or if perhaps you are a total newb and have never grown before but have read and re-read that faq a few dozen times, this could be a good tek for a confident person to bypass the pf tek
Seems pretty clear-cut. I don't think anyone is trying to replace the pf tek.. we all grow a lil differently and share our procedures so that it may help someone figure out the best route for their situation.
I don't think ones reputation as a grower should be endangered because they encourage ppl to try new things or try new things themselves.
This is a well done write-up (that in itself takes time and finesse) with good results... where's the harm?
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Re: Kramer Cakes [Re: fahtster]
#24326302 - 05/17/17 06:59 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not every grow needs to end in pounds. From my experience this is just the ticket for all the noobs out there who want to grow PE but are not ready to roll with bulk. Since PE does terrible on cakes typically (unless your name is fahtster) I think this should become very popular with new people.
Lot of good principles here.
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Thanks for the clarification guys. Clearly I just need to calm down.
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Or perhaps maybe cut back a little on the windex, I hear the colored varieties can be extremely potent.
Seriously tho, a lot of folks have trouble with millet and this formula makes millet very easy to work with.
I've got some three year old multi-spore syringes I'm putting to the test, wish me luck!
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Yeah that was another thing I noticed about this, it made millet easier. Like millet for dummies, good way to get accustomed to it, especially for new folks. But I still can't get over how well PE did with it. Very cool.
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george castanza said: Or perhaps maybe cut back a little on the windex, I hear the colored varieties can be extremely potent.
But I cant bring myself to do transfers unless I chug at least 2 spray bottles worth
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Leftfield420 said: Would this work with cyans?
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Pastywhyte said: Yes. Might want to top fruit and case with peat but it would indeed work.
Perhaps. You know what would greatly help in the dept. of Panaeolus cult. with these cakes? Replacing up to half of the seed with horse manure. Instead of a 3-2-1. Would be more like a 1.5+1.5-2-1 (manure/seed/water/vermiculite) type of deal. Doesn't roll off the tongue as well, but... With the manure addition, you would probably have to reconfigure, and adjust to obtain proper moisture content. I think casing with peat, and top fruiting are good suggestions.
I am going to give this a try. Been wanting to do some cakes lately, anyway, and this tek is a nice break from the monotony of standard-average BRF cakes. I will probably supplement these cakes a little bit with some wheat bran, gypsum, and maybe some spent coffee grounds (if I can source them), and use WBS instead of millet.
I have a few Panaeolus varieties about to go to LC that would be good for the testing of these cakes with the supplementation of manure. I also have a nice APE clone culture from NumeroEno that's almost ready to noc some LC that I think would be fun to feature on these cakes, as well. Tell Kramer that he has a pretty cool take on cakes, george. Thanks for posting.
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Re: Kramer Cakes [Re: hamloaf]
#24337976 - 05/21/17 12:18 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Very nice fruits sir.
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Leftfield420 said: Would this work with cyans?
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Pastywhyte said: Yes. Might want to top fruit and case with peat but it would indeed work.
Perhaps. You know what would greatly help in the dept. of Panaeolus cult. with these cakes? Replacing up to half of the seed with horse manure. Instead of a 3-2-1. Would be more like a 1.5+1.5-2-1 (manure/seed/water/vermiculite) type of deal. Doesn't roll off the tongue as well, but... With the manure addition, you would probably have to reconfigure, and adjust to obtain proper moisture content. I think casing with peat, and top fruiting are good suggestions.
I am going to give this a try. Been wanting to do some cakes lately, anyway, and this tek is a nice break from the monotony of standard-average BRF cakes. I will probably supplement these cakes a little bit with some wheat bran, gypsum, and maybe some spent coffee grounds (if I can source them), and use WBS instead of millet.
I have a few Panaeolus varieties about to go to LC that would be good for the testing of these cakes with the supplementation of manure. I also have a nice APE clone culture from NumeroEno that's almost ready to noc some LC that I think would be fun to feature on these cakes, as well. Tell Kramer that he has a pretty cool take on cakes, george. Thanks for posting.
Kramer and I have probably fruited out 18-20 different cubes with this sub, couldn't get pf classic(Ms) to fruit and even tried a couple times, that was the only one that failed. All others seemed to love it.
When using these cakes for batch testing I recommend that you make your mix a little on the dry side and use a full cc of inoculant, you can try to make them drier and use more innoculant for faster colonization, but that always seems to leave the top of the cake too dry to colonize.
These are great for batch testing and they also make great spawn.
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ah the good old millet! remember major millet? haha brings back memories. cool idea.
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Ok, so I was using three year old syringes for this last attempt and it looked like all the spores had clumped up in the tip of the cap on the syringe of tc I used, I used the syringe anyway because I really love working with tc, but alas not one jar colonized 
It's all good tho because I was looking through my myco supplies the other day and I have a few tc prints so I'll make some syringes at some point and get some tc working eventually.
I also did a few jars of pe and they colonized just fine, I took ten Kramer Cakes of pe and spawned them out onto 5 quarts of horse manure and verm, mixed at about 60% verm 40% manure.
This is what it looks like today:

I was going to harvest today but there was so much growth on all the secondary pins (the more regular looking mushrooms and the dark round balls) that I figured I would give it another day or two in order to let them mature a little more, not to mention the bigger blobs are also still growing. 
When I first birthed this bulk tray I was a little worried that it would contaminate because the color seemed a little grey to me, and as it was pinning I kept thinking that it looked like trich setting in, but every time it turned out to be a blueing of the substrate or mushrooms themselves.
This is my first attempt in quite a long while and I'm not at all ashamed to admit I'm quite pleased with the results thus far.
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Kramer is happy for you, george.
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Re: Kramer Cakes [Re: hamloaf]
#24503290 - 07/23/17 04:31 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here are a few more pictures taken today, just before harvest.



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Re: Kramer Cakes [Re: hamloaf]
#24518493 - 07/30/17 04:09 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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And almost exactly one week later the second flush is harvested.
Here is a picture of the second flush, I was pleased to see almost no mutation on these bad boys.
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Nice caps, sexy peen
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Nice fruit George!
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Thanks guys. The approval of my peers does mean a lot to me.
After the second flush was harvested I waited about twenty hours or so for the mycilium to heal itself and then poured a half gallon of water on to substrate as I noticed it was drying a bit towards the end of the flush. About eighteen hours later I poured the water off back into the half gallon container and noticed the substrate took on just under a quart, so it was dry indeed.
Duringthe first flush I misted a lot, but never a lot all at once, my intention was to replace the moisture at the same rate it was leaving the sub.
There were already three pins on the second flush when I harvested the first, and the day after harvest there was a virtual explosion of pins on the substrate.
If you note the way the sub was pulling away from the sides of the tray, it was in perfect proportion from either side, this indicated to me the substrate is fully healthy and could go on to fruit many more flushes.
I'll keep everyone updated on the third flush, which I'm hoping to see some pins in the next few days.
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Soooo, yesterday, I made myself 2 KramerCakes (KC's from now on), but not with millet. I did not have millet on hand, so I used a mix of grains I never used before, namely red quinoa, black quinoa, round brown rice, long brown rice, and some whole oats. I mixed it all with the vermiculite and (blablabla... ) then put it on the stove on high until it was boiling, turned down heat to low, left for 1O mins, added some water as it was a bit dry by now, threw in a bowl, mixed again, added some verm, and filled up the jars, threw em in the sterilizer, vent, press build, vent, sterilizing cycle, turn off heat after about 2,5 hours, and voila, KC's.
So while I was sterilizing, threw out some grain jars that had gone horribly bad, like, fairly clean to very clean looking agar gone to 4 different kinds of mold in 1 jar, plus a bit of mycelium. Found out my lids had gone to shit, didn't make my jars watertight anymore, but I've been using my lids for quite a while, including the ones for the KC's I made, so I'm not sure how well this will go. Need to check all my lids but fuck it for now.
I have a bunch LC/agar hybrid project bottles, where I made VERY loose agar in a bottle, so the mycelium can grow on top of the liquid as well, now that is looking quite well, but I'm a bit lazy, so I'm not even going to test it on a plate. I'm just going to inoculate my KC's with them as a test.
To be tested are 2 LC's of KSSS, and 1 of an unknown variety, I think I inoculated it with pins and/or knots from a plate, but I don't remember which variety and I forgot to write it on the bottle. Could be Martinique, but could also be Ecuador, Argentina, and some other ones but less likely... We'll see what comes up! I'll be re-naming them the Mr. E. Stupidity variety for storage purposes, since they are mystery the result of stupidity 
And while I was writing all this, took a break to do it all, so voila, they have been inoculated!
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Very kool tek will be attempting this soon
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WHOOP WHOOP FAM! I like the method you've got going in here. And I'm defiantly gonna grab some millet n whip up a tub! Hope to see you again at the gathering next year! I'll have some more tanks as well, YOU KNOWWW!
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