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george castanza
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Pastywhyte said: The cakes are getting that consolidated look. I decided to fruit 4 rolled in verm in a mono, then top fruit 3 cased with coir verm in a mono.
Also have 6 that were done in taller pp5s. A couple of them were inoculated with agar wedges and given the shakability of these allowed for some speedy colonization.
I did notice they don't knit up quite as tight as brf. Takes on water fast so a long dunk definitely not needed. A little care was needed when handling.
Excited tho, this is only my second cube grow of the year.

I have noticed that packing the substrate will give it a bit more of a densely consolidated mass feeling. However I have also noticed a pretty wide variant among different strains of p.cub as well concerning the solidarity of the mycelium mass. South American/ Mexican strains seem to mostly produce close knitting myc, whereas Asian strains seem to be more hit or miss on the formation of a week/wispy mycelium mass.
Again I would like to emphasize the packing of this substrate in the 1/2 pint widemouth jar. When I pack the substrate I give it a nice tamp with the spoon, I use a bigger size mixing spoon and put the first scoop in, then the second kind of heaps the substrate over the rim, I give it a pack with the bottom of the spoon to firmly pack it in, and then scrape the excess back into the mixing tub, quick wipe of the outer rim on the top of the jar to clear the outside rim of any substrate and then repeat. I can actually fill about 3 jars per minute perfectly, but I've had a substantial amount of practice. 
A good way to tell if your substrate is too loose is to firmly set your jar down on a hard surface. Be careful because you definitely don't want to slam it down so hard as to break the jar(I'm all about safety) if the substrate packs itself when you sit it down firmly then chances are you could have packed it a little more to hit optimal density. In fact you can really pack these jars as tight as you can get them if you want. Two things I'll caution about that are 1) if water pools in the bottom of the jar after you have packed it down you have packed it too tight and although it will in all likelihood colonize ok, it will be a bitch to get out of the jar. 2) if you pack it super tight and no water pools your mix could be a little on the dry side however the cake will probably colonize fine, but it will be a bitch to get out of the jar. So that's why I use the firmly setting the jar down as a gauge of optimal substrate density.
When I'm using my Kramer cakes for spawn I drain off most of the water and then just toss in a handful of vermiculite to ensure the mix is not too wet to colonize and to also make the mycelium mass easier to crumble. The larger shakeable containers colonize very rapidly and obviously you would not want to pack the substrate in this type of container.
I know you're not using the 1/2pint widemouths but the points you're making apply all the same. I really appreciate the fact you took your time and energy to try this tek and offer feedback. It really helps me complete and explain the details of this tek to a level (hopefully) that future newbies will be able to easily understand and achieve great results their first time out. It seems that there are still a few details that were unintentionally omitted in the OP that could really impact the outcome. I guess the devil is alive and well, and still kicking it in the details.
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Pastywhyte
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Yeah i definitely didn't pack em much. Probably my issue. But they are looking pretty decent, hope to see pins soon.
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Leftfield420
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Open air fruiting I harvested 3 mini round cakes for a total of 12g's dry... I got pin mold or something on 2 of the 5 I started with...1 fell apart after the 18 hour dunk...2 getting ready for the 2nd flush
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ComebackKid
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Just checked my jars after inoculating a couple weeks ago with clean LC. Making progress I would say about 70% colonized!
I PC'd my six 1/2 pint jars for 2 hours. 4 survived the PC and are colonizing perfectly well.
1 had a couple quarter-sized burst millet spots on the bottom which the myc seems to be having problems colonizing for obvious reasons. I'm gunna see it through anyway but dont have high hopes for that one.
1 had completely burst millet about half way up the jar and I didnt even bother inoculating that one.

This is my first time working with millet. I let it soak overnight and checked for pools of water in the bottom of the steel bowl while I mixed the verm in, but I cant help but think my moisture content was too high none the less. Next time I will have to keep that in mind when adding verm. But in the meantime really excited to see how these suckers fruit!
Ps. Love the one hole in the center of the lid with mp tape idea! I can see clouds of myc rolling through the millet towards the glass and its facinating. Plus knowing the center is finished is a nice bonus! Every jar also has a fully colonized bottom which is a nice change from PF where I was usually waiting for the bottom to colonize last!
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aln
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Sweet might try this out for some clone work
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Kramer Cakes [Re: aln]
#23681423 - 09/26/16 09:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I got some pins finally. Definitely PE. My birthed cakes are looking bacterial tho. Not the teks fault, I must have shorted the run or something. The cased ones that I am top fruiting look great tho, I am hoping to see pins soon on those as well. Might have some pics to toss up soon.
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Moabfighter
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Looking forward to seeing pics.
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ComebackKid
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Best pinset I've ever had on a cake...
 It's like that all around the whole thing aww yea! Other cakes have some impressive pinsets going on as well. These babys are thiiiiiirsty!
Where's everyone else's pics? Pasty you have to have something for us! No?
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Pastywhyte
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Shit I got busy as hell and it slipped me by. Mine are just wrapped up the 3rd flush and did pretty decent considering it was PE. I will try and snag some pics next flush for ya but, I will do some more of these with some classic cubes. I have a nice wikidzon clone here that should do well on em.
That's a sexy pic comeback kid
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littlespider
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This is cool. I ended up with spare grain after making jars for truffles so i fired a bit of vermiculite in and inoculated them. Think one is contaminated though
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ComebackKid
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Lookin forward to it! George said you should see 5 or 6 flushes anyway so no excuses 
EDIT: Just harvested this monster

Edited by ComebackKid (10/24/16 06:38 PM)
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Pastywhyte
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Well sorry for missing the first and second flushes with these, they did quite well. No blobs and a decent yield for ms PE on a cake like sub. But here is some 4th flush action which is still going fairly strong despite these having been beat up and dunked repeatedly. Gonna do em again with a classic cube and hopefully I have my shit together enough to get the first flush pics.
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Moabfighter
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Man would've loved to see earlier flushes.
Something about the cold weather and that SGFC strong musroom smell really wants me to make cakes again.
Don't wanna use MS, got some agar going... so excited for it to take off so I can confirm clean spawn. One Koh Samui plate is doing really well.
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ComebackKid
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Got some juicy jumbos top right there I'm imagining the ealier flushes with tonnes of long skinky potent little things all over the whole cakes like Medusas hair
Damn Moab I'm a little envious. I haven't got petey's KSSS to germ yet. Been trying for over a month now, four plates and have three left with no growth. Thinking of swabbing the print as a last resort.
I may have to do this Kramer cakes tek over again with a nice KSSS clone. I want a loofah lookin cake
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Moabfighter
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ComebackKid said: Got some juicy jumbos top right there I'm imagining the ealier flushes with tonnes of long skinky potent little things all over the whole cakes like Medusas hair
Damn Moab I'm a little envious. I haven't got petey's KSSS to germ yet. Been trying for over a month now, four plates and have three left with no growth. Thinking of swabbing the print as a last resort.
I may have to do this Kramer cakes tek over again with a nice KSSS clone. I want a loofah lookin cake 
Try stabbing your spores into the agar.
That's what I did.
I have three plates from the same day, two have growth. inoculated I think 4 more of them 3 days ago or so.
Btw this some awesome KSSS from Pete?
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Leftfield420
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I picked up some half pint wide mouth jars, following the tek and seeing if I actually got a hold of some PE spores...I hope they are, my plan is to cross them with AA+ eventually...once I learn more on the how to's of doing so....gotta keep reading on it....
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Pastywhyte
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These have been through the mill but are still pumping out fruits. No mold yet. However this is the last flush, I bet they can still squeeze out more but I need the mono and the space.

This is a pretty damn good method for new people in my book, and will reward you with lots of flushes.
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Leftfield420
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What flush is that Pasty? And how are the RW's coming along, gonna be seeing people growing them here anytime soon? or are you still stabilizing the genetics?
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Pastywhyte
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That was a 5th flush IIRC. Pretty solid.
RW 5th gen is going to be spawned soon. But I have 5th gen invitro clones that must be tested as well. Not sure how much longer. Certainly the end is near, I'm not going to push past 7 that's for sure. But it will be ready when it's ready. Bout all I can say.
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Leftfield420
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Hell yeah that is fucking awesome.... I know what you mean man...can't rush it....I got 5qts of Atl#7 going in hopes of a good new year...got 9 total but the other 4 are not coming along as quickly..
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