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Pastywhyte
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george castanza said:
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Mycologist217 said: Just for clarification, these are fruited in a SGFC?
The cake at the bottom of the thread was actually fruited in a pmp.
Here is a Kramer Cake fruiting in a sgfc.

That looks pretty damn good. I find side pins in top fruited half pints or pp5s to not really be a problem. Top case really helps I find I have had nice results top fruiting and bottom watering brf cakes so I gonna definitely try with this. I'll post the results here.
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ComebackKid
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Fuck brf! Kramer cakes 4 life!
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bodhisatta 
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the real advantage to the PF tek is being able to steam sterilize at 0psi. if you have a pressure cooker but it's small just use your PF half pint jars and put grain spawn in it and still spawn to bulk. or make any kind of cake with grain like in the OP and fruit it in a SGFC.
use the millet in the small jars like that but just millet no verm, then use them as masters. g2g if you want. or spawn the 1/2 pint millet jars to bulk and put trays in your SGFC
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fahtster
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Cool! Nice write up.
Faht
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george castanza
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Pastywhyte said:
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george castanza said:
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Mycologist217 said: Just for clarification, these are fruited in a SGFC?
The cake at the bottom of the thread was actually fruited in a pmp.
Here is a Kramer Cake fruiting in a sgfc.

That looks pretty damn good. I find side pins in top fruited half pints or pp5s to not really be a problem. Top case really helps I find I have had nice results top fruiting and bottom watering brf cakes so I gonna definitely try with this. I'll post the results here.
Sweet!
The dunknroll is crucial for good flushes on cakes.
I always try to get a good half inch to 2cm coating of sterilized verm all over the cakes and the I take whatever is left on the tray i was rolling on and pile it on the top of the cakes. Then after the cake is placed lovingly into the chamber, I soak every cake with a spray bottle, making sure to soak it down with as much water as the verm will hold, but also being careful not to spray any off. I then give them two days to a week before they get sprayed again.
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Pastywhyte
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A good trick to not Spraying the verm off is to leave it on the cake for an hour or two before misting it for the first time. I got 2 LC candidates in the fridge and I just sterilized me some syringes. Will probably test it out tomorrow or Wednesday. If good I'm gonna do a whack of these.
Only wrinkle is I musta wiped off the sharpie label on the LC cause I have no idea what they are. But if they come out clean I doubt they will have any issues with this
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CosmoKramer
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Let the magic unfold!!
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Moabfighter
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Bump and subscribed for future research.
Just tried grain jars the other day for the first time, 3-4 days later..not seeing a dime of growth.
May try this next. Looks very legit and informative.
Average yield for these vs pf cakes?
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Pastywhyte
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3 to 4 days with spores is far to soon to worry, can take over 14 days to see germination.
My LC has tested clean despite its advanced age. Gonna prep me some of these either tonight or tomorrow. Biggest concern now is that my damn LC is too thick to asperate, could barely get any into the syringe. Might just try pouring right from the jar
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ComebackKid
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I apologize in advance for the digression but how exactly did you test your LC? Just on a small amount of grain?
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Pastywhyte
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On agar. Shows bacteria better than grain ever could and quicker too.
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ComebackKid
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Doh! Obviously haha thanks!!  Friggin agar what would you do without it?
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CosmoKramer
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ComebackKid said: Doh! Obviously haha thanks!!  Friggin agar what would you do without it?
Heh. Everything used to be a crap shoot with MS.. Blaming this and that method with a lot of head scratching. Now it's not nearly as much of a question of technique, but instead the most important step in cultivating is clean spawn. Commercial growers always knew this but it took a while for it to be adapted and tweaked for the average Joe. Thank you to all the members that continue to pioneer new and easier ways to do things in this hobby.
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george castanza
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Average yield for these vs pf cakes?
The most I ever have messured from one cake is just over twenty one dry grams. Sometimes in one flush, sometimes from multiple. The least I have ever measured from a non-contaminated cake was right at fourteen. If memory serves me correctly I believe the cakes themselves weigh in at 258g when birthed and would not take on a drop of water when dunked, so I actually would just dip and roll them.
While I was keeping track of everything I believe I did determine an average yield of just over eighteen grams per.
These stats were all from ms inoculation. I originally used these cakes to test out batches of lc and ms syringes but after fruiting one out I became hooked.
Here is a picture of what the first sign of healthy growth will look like:

Usually you can expect to see this within ten days of inoculation. Sometimes less, but I always wait ten days before I check, handling the jars freshly inoculated never increases your chances of success.
Another thing I like about these cakes is that there is no wondering if the middle of the cake is done.
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CosmoKramer
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That last statement reminds me of past times trying to slice or grate PF cakes to spawn to bulk sub. Instant wtf if it wasn't colonized in the middle fully! Now I'm still wondering what that was all about!
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Edited by CosmoKramer (08/13/16 11:33 PM)
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Hell I'm soaking some wbs now......think I'll give this a go with some TOC I have on agar.......looks interesting and I'm in the transition from cakes to bulk now.....we'll see how it goes
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Pastywhyte
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So upon taking stock of what I have to work with I decided I am going to simply evaluate this as a substrate prep method. I don't have a lot of free half pints kicking around, most are being dedicated to other things. Nor do I have any center drilled lids that are not filtered. So I am gonna do them in PP5 ziplocs. The plan will be to fruit some as cakes as per the tek and some will be top fruited as pods. Should be good.
As a sub prep writeup goes, it went pretty good. The millet verm water ratio of 3 2 1 was bang on. Great description of the pooling and to add more verm as needed. I held back the last bit of premeasured verm to see where the break point was and it was perfect. The second the last bit was added the pooling stopped. Pretty easy stuff IMO.
Normally I'm not a fan of adding verm to grain spawn. But if the plan is to fruit the grain as an unbroken colony then this only makes sense. Given how well V tek worked for exotic species I can imagine these will do great for pans and Mexicana.
Will keep you all posted.
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Moabfighter
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Thanks pasty looking forward to seeing it. Plan to try myself soon. I only have jar lids with 4 holes. Wonder if I could polyfil all the holes and make center holes.
If this is the real deal, I won't need my PF jar lids as this will take the new place of that.
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Pastywhyte
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You could do it with the 4 holes like PF tek. Should work the same. I don't even have 4 hole lids. All plastic most are filtered.
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this dude is cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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